How can we get rid of our sinfulness?

[L Gilbert]

If I come off as looking like I am superior, it is not because I desire it, but rather as how I am perceived .

Many of you have read some portion of the bible, but have not studied it, and others give it no credibility other than through the Catholic Church.

As for me, I have read the bible and studied it. It is my only reference to all that I have to say.
By devoting my energy to studying the bible, I have come away learning many new things which are not thought; even from in the main stream Baptists and the likes.

So, if I am perceived as superior in knowledge, than so be it. But with all humbleness and compassion, I share my thoughts with you all for your edification.

I have nothing to gain other than top please my Lord.

2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

More horsecrap. There are several of your posts that show you have talked down to people. That is straight out and out arrogance born of vanity.

 

[look3467]

We all have difficulties with our faith. There are those who can't believe and those who won't believe.

The former should pray for the grace to believe. The latter have chosen themselves as the final authority.

I'll agree with the first sentence, and the first part of the second.

The final authority can be a believer and as well as an unbeliever.

The one who has Christ as their Savior is settled, sound and saved.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

 

[L Gilbert]

I think your manners are superior and your knowledge of the bible is far superior to anybody else's around here. I think a lot of people have a lot of problem with people of superior intelligence such as you and me. Keep up the good work. I admire a guy that can keep it off of a personal level and address all the nastiness that is thrown at him.

respectfully, lieexpsr.

lmao There's the other arrogant a$$. Birds of a feather .......

 

[L Gilbert]

You want to know something? One would think that because we know the same God, Jesus and His words, that we Christians would agree more often than disagreed?

But as it is, we are divided.

Here I am spelling out love with a capital C, and am told that I don’t know anything!

Wrong again. You're being told that people think you are twisting the bible to suit your own purposes.

Well, I’ve come along ways in my beliefs and not without effort.
The Holy Spirit has led me to believe that all humanity will be saved either now or at death.
Of course this will be misconstrued and labeled a heretic.

Do you hear strange voices in your head?

The reason I am here on this forum is to introduce new views that are consistent with the theme in the bible.

Consistent with your idea of the theme in the bible, you mean.

I knew that it was not going to be well received, but I also know that there are those who would welcome enlightenment. And for them I endure.

Ah, more arrogance. This is to say that you are enlightened and have come to us as a prophet like Buddha, Mohamed, etc. so we poor stupid sinners can become enlightened, too.

Christianity, as a whole, diverse as it may be, is a body that is growing towards maturity.
When adult status is achieved in the body, there will be no more wars.

Isa 2:4 And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

The end result: is as you say, peace amongst ourselves.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

That's quite a dream, highly unrealistic as it is.

 

[L Gilbert]

Thanks for the up lift. It can get lonely when love is being dispensed and none returned.

Again, that's only your opinion.

 

[L Gilbert]

You're welcome! We don't have to agree and I suppose we never will. But we can be respecful toward each other without attacking each other personally. You may at some time in the future hear me attack your ideas because they are not consistent with my own but I will still respect you and your ability to elucidate your feelings. I only wish others could do the same. You must be familiar by now of the vicious hateful attack I received on my rep thing. I can only pity a person who has to stoop to such a disgraceful level. And that's a person who calls her/himself a Christian???????

You are worth nothing but attack. Look is worth pointing out failings to.

 

[L Gilbert]

2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

You have shown yourself approved unto God by the very verses you quoted.

lmao. What if I had been the one to quote scriptures? "Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me;"........ :roll:

 

[L Gilbert]

There is one thing for sure, we all have in common, and that is the ability to love.
There are no contradictions to that statement.

Why then do some hate? Because we all have the same ability to do evil! And, there are no contradictions to that either.

We then have a choice. Which of the two shall we practice?

Points of reference: Love is of God, evil is of mankind.

To love is to exercise a Godly attribute.
To hate is to exercise a human attribute.

What about throwing a tantrum and massacring a city? Is that a human trait?

 

[look3467]

I think the problem is your assumption that you are of Christ. with the heresies you write, it troubles my soul. You must renounce your false pride and errors of doctrine and submit to Christ in His Church. I feel so sorry for you.

I know who I am in Christ and their is no doubt in my mind. I am born again of the Spirit of Christ and my eternity started the day I accepted Him as my Savior.

I know I have eternal life: 1Jo 5:19 And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.

1Jo 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

1Jo 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

1Jo 4:13 Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit.

1Jo 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

1Jo 3:19 And hereby we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before him.

1Jo 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

2Co 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

I know, I know, I know, for I know myself that Jesus is in my heart!

Trouble not your soul brother, for I am safe and secure in Jesus’ hands, that if I should die this moment, I will be with Him!
I have joy of my salvation!

I don’t think that, I know that!

I’m claiming His promises, what are you claiming?

Can you tell me that if you should die, that you know without a doubt that you will be with Him?
If you don’t know or if there is the slightest doubt, better check into it.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

 

[look3467]

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I don't think so, my friend. Back those verses with heart, than I might believe you.

Unless there is heart behind any verse you quote, that verse won't have life!

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

 

[look3467]

What about throwing a tantrum and massacring a city? Is that a human trait?

Who threw a tantrum and who massacred a city? Couldn't be God, for He is spirit!

Tell me about it?

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

 

[look3467]

Horsecrap. You are inflicting YOUR personal views of your faith on other people. That is just as much proselytizing as what Catholics and anyone else perform.

In your opinion.

Is that your assessment of what is going on? Or rather: your opinion?

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

 

[RomSpaceKnight]

Can any of us "know" God. We can have faith in his love and mercy but how can we "know" the ultimate. We can try to "know" God and in that trying find salvation. Is that not why it's called "faith". We must have faith and put out trust in God but ultimately we must fall short of "knowing" him. We are made in his image. We are not of him. Is that not the reality of Jesus? Jesus was of god, the rest of us are just images of God.

 

[look3467]

Can any of us "know" God. We can have faith in his love and mercy but how can we "know" the ultimate. We can try to "know" God and in that trying find salvation. Is that not why it's called "faith". We must have faith and put out trust in God but ultimately we must fall short of "knowing" him. We are made in his image. We are not of him. Is that not the reality of Jesus? Jesus was of god, the rest of us are just images of God.

We can not know God but can know about Him. He has given us enough information to know about Him and how He relates to us.
And if He says that He will save you, believe it and then consider your self saved, and know for certain by faith.

The test is in the flesh and in the world. He has laid it all out for us, granted us salvation, shown us the path to take. All we have to do is take it!

Faith is then in trusting in His promises, that what He said is true!

Find salvation? Its right there in the words of the bible. Pointing to Jesus your Lord and Savior, that you may know you have eternal life while you are still standing in the flesh.

True, Jesus was of God and is God. Jesus made it possible for us to be born of God and as sons, reflect the image of God, which is love.

If you look at the words: born again as told by Jesus; would it not make you wonder why the word “again” is used?

Would it mean that the first birth is death? There by necessitation a rebirth? But how then can we be reborn if we are already born once?

That’s the 64 thousand dollar question?

If you can understand the answer, you will know that you have salvation in hand!

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

 

[sanctus]

Can any of us "know" God. We can have faith in his love and mercy but how can we "know" the ultimate. We can try to "know" God and in that trying find salvation. Is that not why it's called "faith". We must have faith and put out trust in God but ultimately we must fall short of "knowing" him. We are made in his image. We are not of him. Is that not the reality of Jesus? Jesus was of god, the rest of us are just images of God.

This is one of the most profound posts on this topic I've yet to read Rom. I believe sometimes many of us are trying too hard to "know" God, to define Him as we see fit. rather than just accepting his presence, we want to condition Him into our image. As you wrote, only in faith can we accept these things. There certainly is not going to be concrete proof which can be put on a table and examined.

 

[sanctus]

I don't think so, my friend. Back those verses with heart, than I might believe you.

Unless there is heart behind any verse you quote, that verse won't have life!

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

The verse stands as a piece of poetry/prose. You don't have to believe to see the passion of the author. This Psalm is probably the most famous of all the Psalms, and is a regular feature of many funeral liturgies.

 

[sanctus]

I'll agree with the first sentence, and the first part of the second.

The final authority can be a believer and as well as an unbeliever.

The one who has Christ as their Savior is settled, sound and saved.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

Why can you not understand how utterly insane this idea is? Saved for all time, such complete heretical nonsense! Many of the German people who fell into Nazism were Christians. do you mean to suggest that those who perpetuated atrocities on other people which most of us can not even conceive of are still saved? In essence, your thinking is giving permission for people to do the most horrendous things and still they are "saved". It is amazing you can accept such a heresy.No work needed, no soul cleansing, no admission of sins or needs to improve. Just get that ole Holy Spirit, born-again, yeah Brother, in you and you can do exactly as you please!

 

[look3467]

The verse stands as a piece of poetry/prose. You don't have to believe to see the passion of the author. This Psalm is probably the most famous of all the Psalms, and is a regular feature of many funeral liturgies.

The passion of the author is Jesus. And if we walk with Him even as we walk in the shadows of death we will fear no evil.
This is a promise to us!

Now, just quoting it to prove a point, had no meaning.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

 

[sanctus]

I thought it easier to blue letter my words rather than copy the whole thing and than insert my comments. I can see that causes a problem. I will not do it again.
Correction made. Thanks.

You stick to what you are led to stick to, Sanctus. Like I said before, I want no one to change anything about themselves only if the Lord initiates it first. And if not, than happy living!

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

So you are suggesting I do not know the Lord because I am not making up what to believe on my own??

 

[sanctus]

This is a pretty heavy post, which seems to have begun a million replies. Ok, let me be upfront. I'm not a Christian. I do believe in god though, just not sure how or why.

Anyways, this bit here really struck me. It did so because it makes sense no matter what you believe. Pride is the worst thing we have, I think. It makes us lose sight of ourselves and dosen't allow us to open our hearts to other people. Wouldn't you agree?

Yes I would, with one change. Pride makes us very much have sight on our own selves. That is one of its characteristics. When we believe we are all that is necessary to surivive, and that our opinions are the only truth, we than fail to see the need in those around us to connect. In short, we've erected a wall to keep people out.