Philosophically speaking, religion is a hoax

[lieexpsr]

In any case talloola yours mine, and sanctus's behaviour here are the same. That being said al that remains to be done by you two is invent a different excuse for it.

Of course Sanctus must have another explanation why he takes part here on this thread. It can't be the same reason I take part, and that admittedly is because religioun troubles me. Sanctus would never admit that atheism troubles him. But you, you are different. What causes you to take part on this forum that causes you to think it is a more lofty ideal or a better reason than I have? And why do you think you are not disquieted in your soul and I am?

I don't think I actually said that about you, I gave two reasons people can post, maybe you fit into the latter, and
maybe you can give me "your" actual reason for posting, as it could be different again.
I truly don't understand how anyone could believe in a "god", but they do, and I accept that, nothing
I can do about it, and if they knew there was "no god", they would go out of their minds, seems like
they need that belief.

And now that we are on the subject of what motivates people, perhaps we can also discuss what motivates Sanctus to start a thread on child abuse. Is he feeling compassion for children who are abused or is it damage control in a subconscious way?

I am sure he has witnessed and done "healing" and "helped" many child abuse cases, so he probably
has first hand knowledge, and has seen for himself the huge problem.

Would the fact that the catholic church is known to be protecting and has protected some of it's child abusers not cause him to steer well clear of the topic

I wouldn't agree with that idea, but he will, I'm sure come on and explain himself, for himself.

I had to work my way onto these boards, get used to others, I had never done this before, so I
was kind of "raw" and too judgemental at first, don't feel that way now, but I have noticed, about
myself, that I just love to "know" how others think, whether it's my way or not, makes one much
smarter and broad minded, I guess. I am a very quiet person, don't mix, so, now I do, right here.

Religion troubles me too and that's my reason for this thread. We have something in common! If Sanctus has done child councelling I would be troubled about that too. He has not demonstrated to me that he is a fit person for the job but may eventually. On the negative side I find that he is just as accusatory and insulting as any of us. But to add to that, I would not send a child to a catholic priest for any kind of councelling whatsoever. Religion has no place in a trying to help a child in need by filling his/her head with spiritual nonsense. And furthermore, I believe that all councellors should be thoroughly vetted by a party or panel which is toatally separate from the catholic church. Or any other interest group which could conceivably be protecting their own interests above the interests of the child for that matter.

 

[karrie]

Agreed. Tell this to religious leaders and get them to pass the memo on to all their followers.

I do the best I can. I stick with the religion I do because frankly, I don't see there being any out there that don't suffer the same human flaws as mine. And I speak very openly with anyone who will listen, about the same thing I just said. Change comes from the inside, that's my theory, and I'm pushing where and when I can.

 

[tamarin]

Oh, some teapots and tempests! Someone's having a party. My hat's off to members of all practising religious communities. I've met plenty of the religious and plenty who aren't. I prefer the former. They're simply, for whatever reason, better people.

 

[RedGreen]

Generally speaking 'religious' people are great people. They are kind, respectful and giving. The one problem I have with organized religion in general is that it creates another level of division amongst us. To have conversations about the origins of life, the meaning of life and so on (religious type topics) is fine; but when one becomes either obsessed with a set of beliefs and rejects all others or simply joins a specific religion they are saying that a large group of other people are wrong. Flat out wrong. And in some religions even evil. This can have dire consequences. The stubborness of deciding that you're right and everyone of other faiths is wrong causes obvious friction and eventually wars.

We can all be spiritual without 'giving in' to a given religion. The other thing is that most people don't even choose a religion that reflects their beliefs. They are born into it. I'm sure there are Christians that see the world in more of a Muslim way but continue to fight for "Christianity" and I'm sure there are Muslims that see more like a Buddhist yet they're fighting in Jerusalem against Jews. What are we really fighting for? Do we want everyone to have the exact same beliefs? First of all that is impossible. Everyone will bear different beliefs no matter if they commit to a set religion or not. Second of all it would be pretty boring if we all had faith in the same thing (no conversations like in this thread would be forcing us to think things over and over and over again). So what are we fighting for again? A name? Christian? Jew? Muslim? who cares. Call it spirituality or better yet give it no name at all. Then we can't talk about it. We can only think personally about "IT".

We have too many divisions in this world already. Even certain religions have divisions within them that cause conflicts (look at Iraq) Muslims against other Muslims. We need to break out of these archaic ideas of ours that we need to have somebody else define our spirituality for us. One of our only true freedoms in this world is to discover our own spirituality. Don't pass up that freedom for your sake as well as for the health and well being of our planet.

 

[darkbeaver]

Oh, some teapots and tempests! Someone's having a party. My hat's off to members of all practising religious communities. I've met plenty of the religious and plenty who aren't. I prefer the former. They're simply, for whatever reason, better people.

When you get to heaven Tamarin I hope you get the same cloud as Billy Ghraham, and Pat Robertson that'll keep you ammused.:wave:

 

[CDNBear]

Please! Contribute on topic or go away. You have been warned repeatedly about your abusive tactics which have no other purpose than to disabuse me and insult me.

That's pretty funny, a lie to be sure, but funny none the less. I have not been warned by anyone about you. I have been ask to let you hang yourself, but I haven't attacked you once in this thread. I've pointed out your lies and inconsistancies, highlited your insults and slurs, but I'll let the others have at you, from the contents of my mailbox, you're building quite a anti-fan club. Keep it up.

 

[lieexpsr]

Oh, some teapots and tempests! Someone's having a party. My hat's off to members of all practising religious communities. I've met plenty of the religious and plenty who aren't. I prefer the former. They're simply, for whatever reason, better people.

Would you care to expand on that thought tamarin? I have met a lot of people but I usually can't discern whether or not they are religious unless they are shoving it in my face for some reason. Of all the people who Ihave met the only ones who made a point of showing me that they were religious were rather extremist in their views. For example, I knew a guy who would get down on his knnes in our staff lunchroom and pray. He didn't come off as being especially good to me.

Some studies have shown that there are more religious people locked up in jails for heinous crimes than there are atheists on a % basis, based on the statistics of atheists to religious believers. For instance, in the U.S. where there are 90% believers, there are at least 90% of the worst kind of criminal in the jails who are religious believers. My point is, without providing statistics to prove it, is that religious people are no better than atheists. You have presented an hypothesis to the contrary and so possibly you have some statistics to back it up.

Probably not because anyone who would blurt out such nonsende would not come prepared with evidence!

 

[tamarin]

Oh, you're a silly one. I've lived in many areas of eastern Ontario and chose to settle in this one, in the Kawarthas, because of its stellar local reputation. The work ethic is alive here, the kids respectful and community means everything. I'm riding free. I'm a protestant by birth living smack dab in a predominantly Catholic - and a devout one - community. These folks who attend mass regularly, belong to the local service clubs and volunteer organizations, are the salt of the earth. Sure, my opinion is based on witness and the anecdotal but I give such the weight they're due. I've lived in hardscrabble protestant communities and I've lived here. I know when I've got a good thing. Parasite that I am.

 

[lieexpsr]

Generally speaking 'religious' people are great people. They are kind, respectful and giving. The one problem I have with organized religion in general is that it creates another level of division amongst us. To have conversations about the origins of life, the meaning of life and so on (religious type topics) is fine; but when one becomes either obsessed with a set of beliefs and rejects all others or simply joins a specific religion they are saying that a large group of other people are wrong. Flat out wrong. And in some religions even evil. This can have dire consequences. The stubborness of deciding that you're right and everyone of other faiths is wrong causes obvious friction and eventually wars.

We can all be spiritual without 'giving in' to a given religion. The other thing is that most people don't even choose a religion that reflects their beliefs. They are born into it. I'm sure there are Christians that see the world in more of a Muslim way but continue to fight for "Christianity" and I'm sure there are Muslims that see more like a Buddhist yet they're fighting in Jerusalem against Jews. What are we really fighting for? Do we want everyone to have the exact same beliefs? First of all that is impossible. Everyone will bear different beliefs no matter if they commit to a set religion or not. Second of all it would be pretty boring if we all had faith in the same thing (no conversations like in this thread would be forcing us to think things over and over and over again). So what are we fighting for again? A name? Christian? Jew? Muslim? who cares. Call it spirituality or better yet give it no name at all. Then we can't talk about it. We can only think personally about "IT".

We have too many divisions in this world already. Even certain religions have divisions within them that cause conflicts (look at Iraq) Muslims against other Muslims. We need to break out of these archaic ideas of ours that we need to have somebody else define our spirituality for us. One of our only true freedoms in this world is to discover our own spirituality. Don't pass up that freedom for your sake as well as for the health and well being of our planet.

The religous themselves promote the divisions amongst us and that is why it needs to be thrown on the ash heap of history and forgotten. If the moron president of the U.S. condemns several countries as being parts of the axis of evil, then that will get an opposite reaction from those states. if a Christian condemns others of different faiths or no faith at all to burn in their silly hellfires then that will promote hate against Christians. They really do ask for it and have it coming. They could at least keep their hateful rhetoric to themselves I think!

 

[lieexpsr]

Just wanted to share this with you folks. It's from my rep points thing and it's obviously from a religious person. I think it's an indication of what religious people are really like when they can hide behind anonymity. Judging from the syntax and the poor sentence structure I'm pretty sure which troll wrote it!

>>>>>I can't wait to see you burn and perish in Hell, you devil, you are the scum of the earth, and deserve ultimate, never-ending pain, and I hope you that Hell comes soon for you. Denying god, has already turned you piece of scum, into a demon<<<<<

Now that's one ugly attitude!

 

[CDNBear]

Just wanted to share this with you folks. It's from my rep points thing and it's obviously from a religious person. I think it's an indication of what religious people are really like when they can hide behind anonymity. Judging from the syntax and the poor sentence structure I'm pretty sure which troll wrote it!

>>>>>I can't wait to see you burn and perish in Hell, you devil, you are the scum of the earth, and deserve ultimate, never-ending pain, and I hope you that Hell comes soon for you. Denying god, has already turned you piece of scum, into a demon<<<<<

Now that's one ugly attitude!

I would not only have to agree, but quite frankly have to say, that, that is very unChristian and ignorant.