Respect For Other Religions?

canadarocks

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I would accept that as a pretty good example.

Thanks. I am the sort of woman that goes by what is done and not what is said. so in this example, yes all kinds of lovely words were issued from the previous pope about how wonderful all other religions were...but in practice, do they invite non-catholics to participate in their most sacred rite? We know the answer is no.....and as I wrote, this speaks more to what they really think than any of their pretty speeches and documents.

Another thing, and maybe I'm being overly picky, but read over a devoted Catholics posts, take Sanctus for example(not trying to pick on your Sanctus) as you read about their opinions, notice that they never acknowledge other churches??? Think about it, they always refer to THE Church,,as if it was a given that they were the only one...soo it is those types of things that makes me believe all their ecumenical talk recently is whitewash for their real arrogance in assuming they are the only christian church on the block.
 

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Thanks. I am the sort of woman that goes by what is done and not what is said. so in this example, yes all kinds of lovely words were issued from the previous pope about how wonderful all other religions were...but in practice, do they invite non-catholics to participate in their most sacred rite? We know the answer is no.....and as I wrote, this speaks more to what they really think than any of their pretty speeches and documents.

Another thing, and maybe I'm being overly picky, but read over a devoted Catholics posts, take Sanctus for example(not trying to pick on your Sanctus) as you read about their opinions, notice that they never acknowledge other churches??? Think about it, they always refer to THE Church,,as if it was a given that they were the only one...soo it is those types of things that makes me believe all their ecumenical talk recently is whitewash for their real arrogance in assuming they are the only christian church on the block.
I have from time to time, dissagreed with some of what you have posted, but in this case, you couldn't hit the head of the nial, any more squarely then you have. I need not add a thing, you sum them up quite accurately.

I do try and live and let live, but I do recognise my arrogance, intolerance and hatred, but I do not live that way, and I rarely launch attacks on the Church, without provication. I have my issues with the Church, and its sheeple. I have my nightmares, so I'm not sure if I will ever be able to get past them and see anything about the Church, other then.
 

marygaspe

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Thanks. I am the sort of woman that goes by what is done and not what is said. so in this example, yes all kinds of lovely words were issued from the previous pope about how wonderful all other religions were...but in practice, do they invite non-catholics to participate in their most sacred rite? We know the answer is no.....and as I wrote, this speaks more to what they really think than any of their pretty speeches and documents.

Another thing, and maybe I'm being overly picky, but read over a devoted Catholics posts, take Sanctus for example(not trying to pick on your Sanctus) as you read about their opinions, notice that they never acknowledge other churches??? Think about it, they always refer to THE Church,,as if it was a given that they were the only one...soo it is those types of things that makes me believe all their ecumenical talk recently is whitewash for their real arrogance in assuming they are the only christian church on the block.

It's not being arrogant. If you are not a member of any club, you are not allowed to share in its rituals. Take bowling, you can't just go to a bowling league and start to bowl unless you are a signed member of the league. I don't understand why not getting communion in one of the parishes would be an issue for you if you weren't Catholic anyway?
 

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And you have the gull to call us people of a lower intellect. I would wager, I know more about your religion then you know of ours, and this somehow makes you an expert???
You know what an "expert" is?
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You are just as bad as what you complain about. you seem to have an intolerance towards anyone who disagrees with you, suggesting you think you are always right. Sometimes, just sometimes,, it is highly possible that others may be right! And no matter how many half naked dances you do around a fire, or how many feathers you pop in your head, it is conceivable you may be wrong from time to time.
 

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It's not being arrogant. If you are not a member of any club, you are not allowed to share in its rituals. Take bowling, you can't just go to a bowling league and start to bowl unless you are a signed member of the league. I don't understand why not getting communion in one of the parishes would be an issue for you if you weren't Catholic anyway?
I think her point was that you have to sign over your soul to your version of God, before you can recieve it. That seems to be a tad rude, if it is the embodiment of Christ, then it should be available to all Gods children, willing to accept it.

But I like your analogy of the Church as a 'club', and that's about it. It's just some club, with way to much self righteous power and way to many people willing to subjugate others for their faith, yep it's a club, just like the KKK is a club, the Northern Alliance is a club, oh you get my drift of intolerance.
 

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I've tried to avoid this little foray into the Pollyanna world of organized religion but the recent contributions pushed me over the edge...

The day any religion (the big ones..the ones who hold Ecumenical Councils and publish papers on how they've gotten together yet again and agreed yet again that their religion is the "right" belief the "right" religion and their "god" is the "only" god...turns accountable to the millions they've harmed I might pay attention until then the Pope, Billy Graham, the Archbishop of Canterbury, Oral Roberts, can all kiss my a$$.

Othrer than politics this is the only arena of any size among human institutions that continues play the con-game.
 

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You are just as bad as what you complain about. you seem to have an intolerance towards anyone who disagrees with you, suggesting you think you are always right. Sometimes, just sometimes,, it is highly possible that others may be right! And no matter how many half naked dances you do around a fire, or how many feathers you pop in your head, it is conceivable you may be wrong from time to time.
Well is that the hight of your IQ showing??? As I have said before, I bet I know more about your religion, then you do of mine, but don't let that stop your ignorance from prevailing.

You know what you have a point, I am opinionated and a loud mouth. Just like you, but I base my commentary and opinion on facts, not my ignorance of other religions, nor do I claim to preach from a moral high ground. Like you and your ilk.

If this is all we can expect from you, I respectfully ask for an apology for you claiming to be of some higher IQ, I've yet to see it.
wow, you are quite a foul mouthed person aren't you?
Not really foul mouthed, but more like foul minded.
 

marygaspe

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wow, you are quite a foul mouthed person aren't you?

How is that foul mouthed? You sort attack the Church, mock its doctrines and ridicule its clergy, but we are to respect grown men parading around in feathers and whooping and hollering because that is a "valid" from of spirituality.??
 

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How is that foul mouthed? You sort attack the Church, mock its doctrines and ridicule its clergy, but we are to respect grown men parading around in feathers and whooping and hollering because that is a "valid" from of spirituality.??
I love it when the oh so high IQ'd come right out and express bigotry and racism with such zeal.

Thanx for your support, keep selling us your souls, they seem cheap and whithered.
 

marygaspe

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Well is that the hight of your IQ showing??? As I have said before, I bet I know more about your religion, then you do of mine, but don't let that stop your ignorance from prevailing.

You know what you have a point, I am opinionated and a loud mouth. Just like you, but I base my commentary and opinion on facts, not my ignorance of other religions, nor do I claim to preach from a moral high ground. Like you and your ilk.

If this is all we can expect from you, I respectfully ask for an apology for you claiming to be of some higher IQ, I've yet to see it.

Not really foul mouthed, but more like foul minded.

Your facts might not be the real facts. Like everyone you will find evidence to support your assumptions. We can go around in circles, but both sides will believe they have all the facts.
 

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How is that foul mouthed? You sort attack the Church, mock its doctrines and ridicule its clergy, but we are to respect grown men parading around in feathers and whooping and hollering because that is a "valid" from of spirituality.??

Here we go again with the "you sort". Actually, I am a baptized Catholic, it is people like "you" who turned me off the religion... you fit into the intolerant-small minded-bigot type set quite well.
 

marygaspe

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Here we go again with the "you sort". Actually, I am a baptized Catholic, it is people like "you" who turned me off the religion... you fit into the intolerant-small minded-bigot type set quite well.

Well, all I can say is that despite the people who have left the church with one series of complaints after another, I still attend and believe in Catholicism.
 

marygaspe

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Someone has to pad the coffers of the vatican I gues...

Yeah, like that is what religion is all about! I could say the same about the pagans, they need money too, or are they so highly evolved that their services can be free
 

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Your facts might not be the real facts. Like everyone you will find evidence to support your assumptions. We can go around in circles, but both sides will believe they have all the facts.
No that is what you do, I do not, did not have a preconcieved outcome before I went back to the teachings of my forefathers, I did have a preconcieved notion ofthe IDf, that changed. I examine as much as I can, the minute I find the failure or the ignorance in data, I will automatically judge the rest of the source as suspect.

Some sheeple fail to be so critical, their preconcieved notions, dictate the outcome. Kind of like your intolerance and ignorance of other religions, your preconcieved outcome is writen in stone, so no matter what you may be confronted by, your religion is absolute.

Me on the other hand, have never claimed mine to be such. I have stated several times and I obviously must again, that all religions contain an element of beauty. It is in the failings of it followers that, that beauty is negated.

Evidence, you.
 

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DD, I wonder how many of us ex Catholics there actually are, I suspect, but I could be wrong, that we may actually double the amount of practicing.
 

AndyF

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levesque:

Finding myself between a rock and a hard place, I agree with what is said here, but I don't think that my pious opinions are so earth shattering they present a threat to the Church or my Faith. Not that I would try to prevent a Church official from taking appropriate action against me. My conscience is clear. It should be remembered the Church has it's own Pharasees seeking favor and their own personal gains.

Those who sin are totally against the Magisterium of the Church and it's dogma.

A note on heresy. Be careful of those who label others heretics. It carries with it just as much seriousness to the accusor than it does the alleged offender. Accusations of such should, because of the seriousness, be reserved to Church officials, and the Faithful should be guided by mercy and tolerance in the spirit of fraternal correction and reserve judgement. True heretics work hard doing so. They actively seek audiences to advance their agendas and use publishers and podiums. I doubt the lay community here is a serious threat to the Church. Most authors add that the offence must be consummated, i.e. complete and perfected in its kind (in genere suo),

Expressed doubts,milestones and uncertainties and the accompanying various reactions are seen has final decisions and are unfairly designated symptoms of heresy, but are in truth simply manifestations of deficiencies of that state in grace that the person achieved so far in his journey. One can only attain Faith through the assistance through the grace of God. Accusations of heresy is counter productive and hinders a person who is borderline and striving further in this goal. It should be noted that St. Paul was totally in a state of heresy and Faithless when he was chosen by Christ, this alone should alert the teacher who should not be tempted by inflated pride in his goal of sincere fraternal correction.

The Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma, Ludwig Ott

Sententia Probabablis - Theological opinions of lesser grades of certainty are called probable, more probable, well-founded. Those which are regarded as being in a agreement with the consciousness of Faith of the Church are called pious opinions (sententia pia). The least degree of certainity is possessed by the tolerated opinion (opinio tolerata), which is only weakly founded, but which is tolerated by the Church. (Example: Rigorist (strict) view of "No Salvation Outside the Church", or the existence of Limbo.)

John Pacheco
The Catholic Legate
June 7, 2002

This covers what is to be believed:
The new Canon 750 (AD TUENDAM FIDEM)
Pope John Paul II
1989

"1. Those things are to be believed by divine and catholic faith which are contained in the word of God as it has been written or handed down by tradition, that is, in the single deposit of faith entrusted to the Church, and which are at the same time proposed as divinely revealed either by the solemn Magisterium of the Church, or by its ordinary and universal Magisterium, which in fact is manifested by the common adherence of Christ's faithful under the guidance of the sacred Magisterium. All are therefore bound to avoid any contrary doctrines.

2. Furthermore, each and everything set forth definitively by the Magisterium of the Church regarding teaching on faith and morals must be firmly accepted and held; namely those things required for the holy keeping and faithful exposition of the deposit of faith; therefore, anyone who rejects propositions which are to be held definitively sets himself against the teaching of the Catholic Church."

Also, in "fleshing out" the de fide Dogma: "The Pope possesses full and supreme power of jurisdiction over the whole Church, not merely in matters of faith and morals, but also in Church discipline and in the governance of the Church" - Dr. Ludwig Ott (Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma, Tan, p.280) writes:

"b) As the supreme lawgiver of the Church, the Pope is not legally bound by ecclesiastical decisions and usages, but by divine law alone..."


AndyF
 

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I'm a rehabilitated Catholic too. Something about going to service with the same community of people and then having their true feelings about me, my familly and my morals shown for their true colours. It should be noted that I have met many understanding, compassionate and loving Christians, unfortunately that's not across the board for all Christians.

To Mary, I'm not sure why you would be so critical of someone elses spirituality, regardless of the form it takes. Theres something in the "feather wearing" spirituality that is lacking in most of the other religions, with perhaps the exception being Buddhism. That is a respect for all things, realizing the individual forms part of a symbiosis with all other earthly aspects, be they living or not.
 
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