The New Paganism and the Culture of Death

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We also live in a society that is scared to death of dying, in a society where the society is more important tha its elements, etc. It's silly.
I cannot see any harm in people seeking to satisfy their wants and needs as long as what they do has no deleterious effects on anyone else. Whether one needs to be spiritual or not to do this depends on themselves.
 
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L Gilbert said:
We also live in a society that is scared to death of dying, in a society where the society is more important tha its elements, etc. It's silly.
I cannot see any harm in people seeking to satisfy their wants and needs as long as what they do has no deleterious effects on anyone else. Whether one needs to be spiritual or not to do this depends on themselves.
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Agreed, but herein lies the problem with our present day society, in seeking to satisfy the self, it is often at the expense of others. Take the example of family life, since that is such an obvious buzzword these days. We see all around us people who are doing their very best to make themselves happy, even if it means abdicating responsibility for the children they have created.
 
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L Gilbert said:
Yup. I don't see the problem lying in a lack of faith, I see the problem lying in the lack of thinking about how one's behavior affects others.
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Along this theme, gentlemen, let us not forget how we treat our elderly. Anyone who thinks those Senior Centres are good places for their loved ones is totally blind. Imagine disposing of our parents as if they were in the way of us trying to live our lives!
 
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L Gilbert said:
Well, there are good ones around. The 3 Links Manor in Kelowna is a good example. But, I agree that our seniors are generally abused by people and gov'ts.
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I think it is shameful that when a person reaches retirement age, after working and paying taxes a whole lifetime, they must often sell their homes because their pensions are not enough to sustain their living expenses. i really think that retired Seniors should be exempted from paying taxes as a credit for their many years of service as productive members of the community.
 
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No, for that is not what I see when I look around. We live in a culture that celebrates death, in its murdering of unborn babies and its murdering of hope. Our young people are a generation quite unlike any before. They are attuned to acceptance of things that would've horrified us twenty years ago. They are absolutely aware and accept a multitude of family permutations contrary to what was once a normal family unit. Drugs, alchohol, are a part of their everyday awareness, and this despite quite hectic information campagins on the dangers of these substances.

Turning from God, they seek "spirituality", which is the modern word for do it yourself beliefs appealing more to self-satisfaction than actual spiritual enlightenment.

In short, we have become a society of narcisstic souls seeking only those things which please the self.
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And violence, God how violence has become such a normal part of the world anymore! Movies, games, television shows. I swear the young are immune to such horrific images!
 
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sanctus said:
No, for that is not what I see when I look around. We live in a culture that celebrates death, in its murdering of unborn babies and its murdering of hope. Our young people are a generation quite unlike any before. They are attuned to acceptance of things that would've horrified us twenty years ago. They are absolutely aware and accept a multitude of family permutations contrary to what was once a normal family unit. Drugs, alchohol, are a part of their everyday awareness, and this despite quite hectic information campagins on the dangers of these substances.

Turning from God, they seek "spirituality", which is the modern word for do it yourself beliefs appealing more to self-satisfaction than actual spiritual enlightenment.

In short, we have become a society of narcisstic souls seeking only those things which please the self.
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Dont' forget, Sanctus, that this situation in the modern world arose after about two thousand years of chrisitanity. Are you really convinced, that the rise of modern Paganism, that has began about fifteen years ago at best, is responsible for this? That is one more thing you have a problem with - accepting responsibility. The responsibility for the things we have now lies on the shoulders of spiritual leaders. And chrisitians were the basic spiritual leaders for the last two thousand years. So, maybe christianity did something wrong?
 
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Vereya said:
Dont' forget, Sanctus, that this situation in the modern world arose after about two thousand years of chrisitanity. Are you really convinced, that the rise of modern Paganism, that has began about fifteen years ago at best, is responsible for this? That is one more thing you have a problem with - accepting responsibility. The responsibility for the things we have now lies on the shoulders of spiritual leaders. And chrisitians were the basic spiritual leaders for the last two thousand years. So, maybe christianity did something wrong?
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Perhaps, but maybe also the people let themselves down by not following the teachings they had been so carefully taught for so long. Far too many "Sunday Christians" sitting in the pews, oblivious to the Gospel they hear and the Sacraments they receive. Further, perhaps a correlation can be drawn to the rise of these things in our culture and the decline of the role of the Church.
 
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marygaspe said:
And violence, God how violence has become such a normal part of the world anymore! Movies, games, television shows. I swear the young are immune to such horrific images!
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At least we are in total agreement on that point. I personally am sick of the glorification of crack dealers like 50 Cent and movies like Saw. Neve saw point n watching how many different ways there are to brutally murder someone.
 
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Christians Unite to Burn Harry Potter Books
Published: Wed, 03 Aug 2005, 17:21:00 GMT Edited by Carly Zander

Burning Books - Extreme Reaction or Proof of Uncompromising Devotion to God, asks Bob Miller

FT. LAUDERDALE, Fla. - August 3 (SEND2PRESS NEWSWIRE) -- Author and Gospel singer Bob Miller (bobmillerwrites.com/articless.htm), a registered Republican, said today that it was not carved in stone that President Bush will meet with Rev. T.D. Turner Sr. of the Jesus Non-denominational Church, Greenville, Michigan and others who have burned or advocate the burning of Harry Potter books. Rev. T.D. Turner Sr., a church bishop, said the congregation "will burn Harry Potter books and other witchcraft items to let the world know that there are true followers of Jesus Christ who will not call evil good."

"Twenty years ago, Christian parents were most concerned about protecting their teens from the evils of drugs, premarital sex, and, of course, rock and roll music. But in the past decade parents have grown concerned about the staying power of a movement that has gone from underground to mainstream - witchcraft.The modern neo-pagan movement, now generally known as Wicca, is not only more popular than ever with teenagers, it has changed from something only disaffected and loner kids were involved in to something all teens are confronted with. The shocking truth is that in America witchcraft and neo-paganism have become 'cool.'" - William Wells, in HomeLife magazine.

"It is for certain that the Rev. T.D. Turner Sr., Tony Perkins, president of Family Research Council, and Dr. Jerry Falwell are better educated and better informed of the ways of the world than I'll ever be. All I can do is to welcome Senator Frist who recently joined me and Senator McCain in this little life raft that the Republican Party put us in and cast us off for better or for worse," said Miller.

"Hey, I'm not complaining. God saw what was happening and provided us with all that's needed out on the open water to sustain life, and we have wonderful conversations and tons of fun. Senator Frist, welcome. I believe you are going to know more joy and happiness than you've known in years."

"Just because the members of the clergy teach that God works in mysterious ways doesn't mean they believe it. Are burning books an extreme reaction or proof of uncompromising devotion to God?" asked Miller. "I'll leave that up to the likes of Rev. T.D. Turner Sr., Tony Perkins, and Dr. Jerry Falwell; but as an author, I sure hope they don't decide to burn J. K. Rowling along with her Harry Potter books."

Bob Miller has traveled the world over as a golf instructor and golf ambassador and worked as the golf professional on Holland America's ms Westerdam. Bob served as a pilot in Vietnam in 1969. He was awarded the Distinguished Flying Cross and the Air Medal. He challenged Richard Shelby for a seat in the U.S. Senate in 1992. Books by Bob Miller, Toto Coelo, Taciturn, and An Angel Named Zabar.

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Love your neighbor as yourself. .[Matthew 22:39] So in everything, do to others as you would have them do to you.
[Matthew 7:12.]

Ye are the light of the world. [Matthew 5:14]
 
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Reading through these threads have awakened my curiousity. I realize that in the scheme of things, Neopaganism is very, very young. Yet, I wonder how Neopagans tackle the big questions that many people have about life.


Such as Why is there evil? Why is there suffering? What is the purpose of life? etc

I realize that there is a thread on pagan beliefs about death but I didn't want to derail that thread with my questions.

I'm not asking with any kind of preconcieved notion as to what the anwers will be, I am honestly curious as to how Pagans answer these types of questions. It seems to me that at some point, most of us have asked these types of questions.
 
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