I just like to argue. It's fun.
There's still no such things as gods except in the minds of humans.How can we get rid of our sinfulness?
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There's still no such things as gods except in the minds of humans.
I just like to argue. It's fun.
you don't like to argue. It's not fun. God is good
I "don't got" a lotta things. So? Atheists do not have the guilt complexes instilled by religions either. We get along fine without those things.
Is it the most exalted thing in the universe in the first place? I hardly think so. It's simply a tool, like an emotion can be a tool, a computer can be a tool, etc.
Oh, well. We don't have a lot of memory tied up in fantasies and biblical quotes, either. We do fine without those, too. This atheist believes he will finish his lunch and go get the mail. He also believes that some people need to believe in fantasies because they can't deal with reality otherwise.
You mean Dr. Spock, the child psychologist? What about him? http://www.drspock.com/about/drbenjaminspock/0,1781,,00.html
Those are all unprovable except guilt and sin.
No.
Yeah, what of it?
Which courthouse? The courts do not utilize the 10 commandments for their judgements. They use criminal law and civil law. They don't even use the bible to get people to swear by anymore.
The ridiculous is the reason that the calendar was changed from a logical one to an illogical one in the first place.
Sounds fine by me.
I hadn't noticed.
Suit yourself.
i dont think the phrase "original sin" is meant to mean one that's never been done before..lol
Oh, you meant Mr. Spock, played by Leonard Nimoy on Star Trek. I see.
Not much. Kirk was a fictional character who was quite deffiecient in logic as the other character pointed out several times.
So you are saying the nonexistent is provable? Or you are saying that your god is non-existent? Or are you saying that because something is unproven to exist that it therefore must exist?
Yup.
I don't think anyone has been waving proof. Simply that there is a conspicuous lack of evidence of superstitions existence, and some circumstantial evidence that these gods, demons, faeries, etc. don't exist in reality.
That's not a fact. That's an idea. Facts are not characterized by "might bes" and "what ifs".Originally Posted by jimmoyer
But extrapolating if they will be wrong in the future butts up against the
fact that proof or disproof of God still might not be available.
Tell you what, I'll play along with this silly game that the "faithful" like to play.
What if there is no such things as soul or spirit? Can you prove the existence of soul? No. Spirit? No.
I've seen this countless times where the "faithful" demand absolute scientific proof that superstitions don't exist, but refuse to play on the same ground and come up with proof that their superstitions exist. It's that science has to play by their rules and they don't have to play by the same rules. Well, guess what, you people make the claim, it is not up to us to prove a negative.
A few years ago, everyone figured this "god" created things in 6 days: light, earth, air, etc. even though other people's gods had the planet created long before that. Science proved that wrong by the big bang theory. BTW, the big bang was not an explosion. The expansion took quite a while to happen unlike the explosion of a chunk of semtex or c4. It's the hypothesis of creation versus the theory of evolution. Tons of evidence popped up proving that the earth and its critters weren't just suddenly existing 6000 years ago. Religion started to hum and haw, then they changed the rules, "Well, the time slot was figurative not literal". Science has come up with human bones and manmade artifacts from almost 30 millennia ago and that's just on the relatively young continent of North America. So there went that hypothesis. Now they try this Intelligent design, but are leaning heavily on the idea that life can't happen by chance. Scientists are proving that wrong.
Go to Scientific American ( www.sciam.com ) and search for "15 Answers to Creationist Nonsense" written by the editor. I don't think you need to be a member but if so I will post the article.
You wanted evidence, there's some. How about this shroud thing. Science proved that to be a hoax. There's artifacts, bones, written articles, and all kinds of evidence out there supporting science. Not a friggin quark of evidence even remotely supporting the existence of these supernatural beings. Nothing. "Well, there's the bible" you say. The bible is nothing but hearsay. No evidence to substantiate a word of the bible let alone the while thing. It was meant to be figurative. Take the messages fromn it and run. QUit dwelling on the fables, faerie tales, and anecdotes in it and focus on its message. Read between the lines.
I can't remember who said it, but someone said once that people who would ordinarily scoff at the idea of anything supernatural fall hook, line, and sinker for religion. It's like everything is normal but mention the name of a deity and people lose their heads.
BS. Self control can conquer that crap. Besides, one doesn't want to get rid of those because they have a purpose in our lives. BTW, I don't believe there is anything wrong with pride. Vanity is a whole different ballgame. I am proud for my girls and boys when they do things that turn out well, for instance. That's a sin?
Yeah, faith in things that only exist in the minds (spirits, souls, etc.) of people. It's a break from reality. Some people need to escape from reality, some don't.
Yeah. Like magic and science. Superstition versus reality.
Yeah, its brain's had too many electrotherapy sessions.
Yeah. Take an imaginary concept, add another imaginary concept and present that as evidence. roflmao
If I was going to believe in some god and its love, then I'd have to believe in its rage, its jealousy, its hate, too. Then by golly, I'd have to think that this god is not much different than we humans. But, there would be the difference between these gods and humans: most humans don't believe in mass murder, mass torture, etc.
What if Talloola is like me and simply here for fun? Then she isn't seeking anything any more. She, like me, has found it.
Ooooooooooooooooooooookayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!
Well, I must say that a few folks have gotten a good education in just reading our posts.
Presentation of both sides always makes for a good show.
"simply here for fun", I don't think so. You are being forced to respond because you can not let this "hog wash" of Godly views go unchallenged.
The funny part that I find, is that many Atheist have come from the ranks of believers.
But I have not found one Atheist who has been an Atheist from birth.
To come to the position of belief that Atheist hold, is because of experiences in life that gave them a bad taste of what God is.
Judging from all the responses that I've read on this thread, I find the proclaimed Atheists of the group to be cognizant of the existence of God.
Though they deny, yet it is evident by the responses that God is a major contender to them.
"Fun" is just a smoke screen of the real issue.
The real issue is that deep within the confines of the Atheist heart lies a burning, of the need for recognition by God.
As if to say: "If there really is a God, then why doesn't He strike me on the head with a 2x4"?
If He did that, then I would believe in Him.
I will conclude my postings here on this thread with this summation.
Regardless, of who one is: A scientist, an environmentalist, an Atheist, a Christian, a Buddhist, a Spiritualist, Satanist, all are made of the same substance. Flesh. All must die.
If the flesh dies not, then procreation would cease. The flesh has to die so that new seeds takes it's place. Multiplication.
Religion has been the catalyst for for the advancement of mankind's knowledge.
The desire for a human to be recognized as having self worth, seeks something that is higher than its self. And in that case, it is spiritual.
The unexplained, the mystical, the mysterious the [FONT="]ominous[/FONT] cosmos, drives the mind to wonder.
Causes a desire to search, to find that all illusive spirit, whoever it is, which attracts the likes of mankind's minds.
Thus, mankind develops, conjures up it's own rendition of "a" god and tries to find partners to agree with him so as to give himself worth.
I, being a believer in God, His Son Jesus the Christ, and His Holy Spirit, find that my God is greater than all the gods that ever graced the minds of mankind.
And this my God, loves all Humanity with or without their imagined gods.
Every living soul that ever lived on this plant, has a place with God.
That the souls of mankind be saved by the same God who condemned the same in the first place.
Thus freeing us up to practice what ever the hell we want to practice and still be saved.
This privilege is a God given privilege, and if understood, would render back to Him the praises of His creatures.
But all of mankind has not learned that yet and is on the path to learning it, with travail.
I've given as much encouragement in this thread as I felt I needed to, and must go on.
I have enjoyed your companionship, your thoughts and inner most feelings on the issues.
We are all equally the same in the eyes of my God, and therefore, there are no righteous ones.
God is the only righteous one, and He gives it to us for our salvation.
Well, I guess that's it.
May the rest of your lives be met with good health, and properity.
Love ya 'al.
Peace>>>AJ:love9::love9::love9:
Everything I need is here on my' birth home" and "death home" (our earth.) I love it here, i'm happy
here, I live a good clean life here, and I answered his above comments, and he now understands
my position, so that is that. I am not seeking anything other than, growing and learning and becoming a better person, on this earth.
And, Gilbert, we don't preach to anyone, but maybe others who read our position will at least have
a position "other" than the religious one to ponder. Choices are healthy, just like freedom.
Hmmm.... Interesting post AJ. Would you be surprised to learn that I think you're wrong about almost everything you say in it? I like a spirited discussion with people who don't agree with me, it challenges my own analyses and forces me to clarify my thoughts. That's all.
I'm almost certainly never going to agree with you because I think your fundamental premise, that there's a supernatural being that has some interest in us, is wrong, and it'd take some pretty dramatic demonstration to change my mind.