Getting sick of this kinda crap...

Colpy

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Can you even imagine what the elk and deer populations will start to look like if they do this? The prize bucks will all be killed, the strongest most geneticall superior (what hunter kills the little sick ones), and in turn, there will be nothing to cull all the ill animals off. The weaker specimens will be left for breeding, and before long the hunters will have nothing left to hunt but scraggly, inferior animals. Morons. What kind of hunter shoots himself in the foot like this?

Actually, there are lots of things other than predators that cull the weak........first of all, competition between males means only the strongest get to breed.........as well, winter takes care of the weak or ill.

In NB, we went for decades without a significant predator population, and the white-tailed deer thrived here. Not only in numbers, but we are second only to Saskatchewan in the size of the bucks taken.........

That changed in the 70s when coyotes moved in.

However, the severity of the winters has MUCH more to do with population than predation does.

Our deer population is BOOMING, up to over 100,000 from 60,000 5 years ago.

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hermanntrude

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i am married into a family which contains people who go out on the ice to hunt seals. They shoot them. Usually they shoot them dead instantly. sometimes they use a club to kill them off. They only hunt during the hunting season when pregnant mothers aren't around, babies are off limits.

there is a lot of crap around about these seals and it's all because people think they're "cute and cuddly".

and if u think it's bad that they're hunted for money, please tell me what u think cows are killed for or pigs or even other hunted animals, pheasants, boar, elk, caribou, moose etc. there's often money there too.

seal is quite common in places as actual food. I guarantee your average seal-hunter has less of an impact on the world than your average city-dwelling, commuting, non-recycling, bottled-water drinking yuppie.

By the way if there wasnt a seal hunt the cod would have been gone years ago.
 

Tonington

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i am married into a family which contains people who go out on the ice to hunt seals. They shoot them. Usually they shoot them dead instantly. sometimes they use a club to kill them off. They only hunt during the hunting season when pregnant mothers aren't around, babies are off limits.

there is a lot of crap around about these seals and it's all because people think they're "cute and cuddly".

and if u think it's bad that they're hunted for money, please tell me what u think cows are killed for or pigs or even other hunted animals, pheasants, boar, elk, caribou, moose etc. there's often money there too.

seal is quite common in places as actual food. I guarantee your average seal-hunter has less of an impact on the world than your average city-dwelling, commuting, non-recycling, bottled-water drinking yuppie.

By the way if there wasnt a seal hunt the cod would have been gone years ago.

Well, I happen to think clubbing is reprehensible. I recognize that there are famillies on the Magdalen Islands, Newfoundland and Labrador that have hunted these seals for a long time, and even rely on them for food.

However, there is a big difference between the ecological roles played by seals, which are undomesticated, versus domesticated herds of animals.

And, I'm pretty sure the cod problem was caused by overfishing, and years of DFO thinking about bottom lines rather than what their own scientists were telling them.
 

hermanntrude

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not just families which rely upon them, but families all across newfoundland and labrador, and i daresay some other maritime provinces, who enjoy the meat as a delicacy much as you or i would eat a deer or a moose, shot wild.

I admit the cod problem is a human one, but without the seal culling it would have come to a head many years ago and probably been an awful lot more of a problem now.

seal killing is no worse than any other form of hunting. I am a supporter
 

Tonington

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I'm not sure on the numbers, but I would hope that DFO in their infinite wisdom isn't culling the seals on the same scale as this proposed wolf kill.
 

hermanntrude

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probably a larger scale. but the population of seals is much greater and much more stable than that of wolves. They're not at risk from hunting
 

Tonington

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Ahhh, so total pup numbers for 2004 were approximately 991,400. The total number killed in any year can't exceed 350,000. And the total is for 975,000 in any three year period.
 

hermanntrude

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i have no idea of the figures i just know that seals havent been hunted to extinction. wolves have, repeatedly, all over the world. I also know seals are fast breeders, and seem to be thriving around the maritimes. You always see them when u to any part of the atlantic.
 

#juan

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I'm sure nobody missed the fact that the guy doing the most pushing to kill the wolves, Ron Gillet, is hunting outfitter who wants to expand his business. This is a guy that takes wannabe hunters out to shoot ferocious deer and elk.

Governor Otter told the approximately 300 hunters, many wearing camouflage clothing and blaze-orange caps. “I'm prepared to bid for that first ticket to shoot a wolf myself.”. Can anyone explain why a reasonably intelligent man(he is the governor)would enjoy killing a wolf.?

One other point: 300 hunters, many wearing camouflage clothing and blaze-orange caps. I guess the camouflage is to make it hard for the deer to see them and the blaze orange hats are to keep the other hunters from shooting them. Some sport. Let me guess. most of these "hunters" use something like a 30:06 with a telescopic sight and with a bit of practice, they can likely shoot a deer through the eye from 200 yards. Make an open season....on all hunters...or make them all hunt with a bow.
 

Tonington

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Hermann, at my famillies summer place in PEI, we see them regularly out in the water. Once when I was snorkeling, I popped and saw a seal very close to me, just staring right back at me. We also see them all the time in groups when we go out kayaking.
 

#juan

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My first boat was a 27 foot Campion. I had a convertable top on the rear deck and cockpit. The boat was moored at a marina on Gabriola Island and a few times the seals got in under the canvas and covered everything with seal$hit. I loved those animals, especially when it took me a couple hours to clean up the mess, and the smell.