How can we get rid of our sinfulness?

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What would "earth based beliefs" represent? Are there specific practices you would identify with this? I understand you previously mentioned that there was not a written text of any sort, so how would one learn this system of beliefs?

I'll get back to the gnostic later.....my eyes hurt. I'll pull out my tapes and rewatch them tonight.


Ok earth based belief. I dont know how much you know about tribes. But there was always a "story teller" in every family. As herman calles it the chineese whisper method lol But its much more. Its the stories of the ages set to rote from the elder to the younger. In the Wiccan belief it was the same, mother to daughter, father to son. Now we have "recipe books" Books of Shadows that we write into. But its not just "spells" its experiences, knowings, listenings of the elements. Its the magic of the world and the spirit of the heart. Our mother IS turtle island (earth) and our father is great spririt. Even in Wicca there is Godess and God. Duality. But every living thing has spirit, the river, the breeze, the fire all of it. Trees are Standing People they have healing properties, even the Stone People give healing. We tap into Sorce and "chanell" it into what weve been called for. I use fire a great deal in healing......So do you. I use insense......so do you. I use incantations.......so do you. I use water.......so do you. I use earth.....so do you. I use offerings ......so do you. You sure your not Pagan?

 

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But, in keeping with the beginning theme, has anyone ever felt that they were unworthy of God's love? I ask because someone I spoke with today expressed this to me and I found it a rather sad thought.

I dont mean to keep bringing this up but when you as a god for protection and he just gives you more pain........it kinda sucks.

 

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Before I eat dinner let me clear this up. I just got off the phone with Sis (Godess bless her she keeps my memories. ) She said your right King James isnt a catholic bible and she didnt remember my bible saying that BUT it came from La Solette (my God Parents bought it) So that may be why I remember it saying that. Sorry but I trust my Sisters knowledge a bit more than yours........I have no problems saying Im wrong.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

But, in keeping with the beginning theme, has anyone ever felt that they were unworthy of God's love? I ask because someone I spoke with today expressed this to me and I found it a rather sad thought.

Yes, that's pretty sad alright, but how would people arrive at such a point of such low self-esteem vis-a-vis god if it's not because the doctrines of the church have repeatedly pounded into their heads what miserable, wicked sinners they all are? The text you quoted to start this thread has Fr. Vaillancourt telling us we all bear the burden of an infinite sin. That's a terrible thing to tell anyone, especially when there's no good evidence it's true. There is only a single uncorroborated source whose claim to authority is entirely self-referential. The church instructs us to be Christ-like insofar as we can, and at the same time makes it pretty clear we're going to fail consistently and repeatedly to the end of our days because of our inherently sinful nature. That's pretty discouraging, to put it gently.

Imagine if your father (I mean your biological father) was a successful and widely admired man you loved and honoured above all others and whose approval meant everything to you. Then further imagine that he repeatedly told you all your life that you're a useless dickweed who'll never meet his expectations, was always critical and judgemental about everything you did... Odds are you'd be an emotional and psychological wreck before you were old enough to drive. That's essentially the position the Christian church puts all of us in by laying that burden of original sin on us. It's hardly a surprise that some people feel unworthy.

No, I have never felt I'm unworthy of god's love. I have, however, frequently felt that he's unworthy of mine, and that's one of the major factors in my youthful apostasy and my eventual arrival at the atheist position. Simplifies and clarifies a lot of issues.

 

[m_levesque]

Before I eat dinner let me clear this up. I just got off the phone with Sis (Godess bless her she keeps my memories. ) She said your right King James isnt a catholic bible and she didnt remember my bible saying that BUT it came from La Solette (my God Parents bought it) So that may be why I remember it saying that. Sorry but I trust my Sisters knowledge a bit more than yours........I have no problems saying Im wrong.

That's funny, if I may, you think your sister would know more about Bibles than a priest!

 

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That's funny, if I may, you think your sister would know more about Bibles than a priest!

yup.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

Yup from me too. Priests have an agenda that skews everything they say, write, and think about, in a particular direction.

 

[m_levesque]

Yes, that's pretty sad alright, but how would people arrive at such a point of such low self-esteem vis-a-vis god if it's not because the doctrines of the church have repeatedly pounded into their heads what miserable, wicked sinners they all are? The text you quoted to start this thread has Fr. Vaillancourt telling us we all bear the burden of an infinite sin. That's a terrible thing to tell anyone, especially when there's no good evidence it's true. There is only a single uncorroborated source whose claim to authority is entirely self-referential. The church instructs us to be Christ-like insofar as we can, and at the same time makes it pretty clear we're going to fail consistently and repeatedly to the end of our days because of our inherently sinful nature. That's pretty discouraging, to put it gently..

God gives us free will, and you want to blame Him for how we use it? Don't you think it pains Him to see us walking in ways that are harmful to us spiritually?

He came to earth as Christ as the supreme fulfillment of His love, to provide us a means to be restored to His mercy.

 

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God gives us free will, and you want to blame Him for how we use it? Don't you think it pains Him to see us walking in ways that are harmful to us spiritually?

He came to earth as Christ as the supreme fulfillment of His love, to provide us a means to be restored to His mercy.

He who?

 

[m_levesque]

river, the breeze, the fire all of it. Trees are Standing People they have healing properties, even the Stone People give healing. We tap into Sorce and "chanell" it into what weve been called for. I use fire a great deal in healing......So do you. I use insense......so do you. I use incantations.......so do you. I use water.......so do you. I use earth.....so do you. I use offerings ......so do you. You sure your not Pagan?

You might use the same things, but I rather suspect that the context is totally different, one being of and for God, and the other..well....

 

[m_levesque]

He who?

God, as the Son, one part of the Trinity.

 

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Yup from me too. Priests have an agenda that skews everything they say, write, and think about, in a particular direction.

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You might use the same things, but I rather suspect that the context is totally different, one being of and for God, and the other..well....

and the other?........of my godess and god. Hate to tell you this but ya stole it from us LOL Look it up......

 

[m_levesque]

But it is God's word, using human frailties, or vessels to communicate them to us.

I have to give you this example my dad once told me. He said, what if I wanted to communicate with the ants, how would I do it? I don't know, I said.

He answered, very simple, become one.

God Himself became one like us, with all the human frailties, but conquered them all for us, He being God.

All the other prophets, either warned, or prophesied about the coming one. The Messiah.

But He, Jesus is God incarnate, reconciling the world back to Himself, that which was lost in the process of creating of the flesh.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

When its all said and done thats what Protestantism is about, rejecting the reality of hell because it was too scary to think about.

Sure they believe in hell on the surface because the Bible talks about it...but they dont really believe what hell is, that is a place of punishment. They cant fathom the concept that their actions will be judged by God at the end of their life, what if they dont make it?...such uncertainty is truly scary when one really thinks about it.

The Protestant answer was to sidestep this doubt by creating a false sense of security, most commonly called Faith Alone. They believe once they Believe in Jesus they are off the hook forever, they dont have to have the intention that they can now sin for free (that comes later), the point for them is that they have a guarantee of Heaven.

The Truth, which the Catholic Church has preserved, says Hell is real and sinners will be sent there including Christians who dont obey Christ during their life. There are no guarantees, no green cards, no golden tickets or anything similar, accepting this reality results in real faith and most especially hope and love.
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God, as the Son, one part of the Trinity.

I have a trinity........child/ priestess(huntress)/ crone (wise woman

child/priest(hunter)/wise man

Huney my beliefs have been around eons.....any symbol you own we owned first........sorry.

 

[m_levesque]

and the other?........of my godess and god. Hate to tell you this but ya stole it from us LOL Look it up......

First off, spell-check is your friend, use it once in blue moon. Secondly, we "stole" nothing. God has always been, pagans perverted this truth to suit their own selfishness.

 

[m_levesque]

, knowings, listenings of the elements. Its the magic of the world and the spirit of the heart. Our mother IS turtle island (earth) and our father is great spririt. Even in Wicca there is Godess and God. Duality. But every living thing has spirit, the river, the breeze, the fire all of it. Trees are Standing People they have healing properties, even the Stone People give healing. We tap into Sorce and "chanell" it into what weve been called for. I use fire a great deal in healing......So do you. I use insense......so do you. I use incantations.......so do you. I use water.......so do you. I use earth.....so do you. I use offerings ......so do you. You sure your not Pagan?

Wicca is the product of an Englishman named Gerald Gardner, who adapted a handful of rituals from the Golden Dawn and Alister Crowley (whom he knew personally), combined with the now largely discredited ideas of mythologists like Magaret Murray and James G. Frazier. Wicca has no direct links to any genuine ancient pagan religions and has existed only since the 1950's.

If you're genuinely interested in the history of Wicca, the best book available on the subject is Triumph of the Moon by Ronald Hutton, who is a Wiccan. The so-called ancient history of Wicca which continues to be perpetrated by writers like Silver Ravenwolf has been thoroughly discredited; something which is acknowledged by most serious Wiccans.

 

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First off, spell-check is your friend, use it once in blue moon. Secondly, we "stole" nothing. God has always been, pagans perverted this truth to suit their own selfishness.

LOLLLLLLLLLLLL WHY is it everytime their loosing the conver my spelling is in check???????? Pfffffft I smell sulfer......good bye.

 

[m_levesque]

LOLLLLLLLLLLLL WHY is it everytime their loosing the conver my spelling is in check???????? Pfffffft I smell sulfer......good bye.

Losing? Is it a battle?. I'm not in a battle.I stand in the true faith and the true Church. There is no salvation outside the Catholic Church. Period.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

God gives us free will, and you want to blame Him for how we use it? Don't you think it pains Him to see us walking in ways that are harmful to us spiritually?

He came to earth as Christ as the supreme fulfillment of His love, to provide us a means to be restored to His mercy.

Oh BS. He incarnated himself as a man to be tortured and executed to atone for a symbolic error committed by fictitious characters, and it's all about guilt and power and control. It's fiction with a secular agenda, and I don't believe any of it.