How can we get rid of our sinfulness?

[talloola]

just a question, pulease dont loose your mind on me, but i was wondering if your experiences in the past made you already have a negative feeling towars priests and catholics. know what i mean? im asking because my dad sure influenced my thinking about protestants and wacked born-again theories. i remeber my dad saying he was forever freed from sin and i used to think, yeah right dude

I had different attitudes throughout my life, concerning how I feel about priests. As a little girl, I
thought they were the big "bosses", later in my twenties and thirties, I hated all of them, just thought
of them as money grabbers and b.s.rs, later I was furious with them when all the sex abuse stuff
came out. Now, I see them as just, individuals, some good, some not so good, and I just hope the
catholic church has improved their protocol, when it comes to hiring new priests. My opinion is no
different about catholics than any other religion, I think they are all "fake", and I don't believe in their
fantasy stories.

Didn't mean to over-kill with my reply concerning your situation, it's just what I was thinking at that
moment. I notice when I write posts very late at night, they are much different than during the day,
I should probably cut myself off about 10 p.m. lol

 

[selfactivated]

Didn't mean to over-kill with my reply concerning your situation, it's just what I was thinking at that
moment. I notice when I write posts very late at night, they are much different than during the day,
I should probably cut myself off about 10 p.m. lol

Dont you dare apollogise! You HEARD me! Those Priests didnt and still arent

 

[selfactivated]

OK I just got off the phone with Mount Carmel (the church I was brought up in) and the Priest said if someone came to him in confessional he couldnt do anything BUT if a child came to him outside the confessional he'd call the police. He was a very sweet man I thanked him. He also said to be leary of information you get on message boards LOLLLLLLLLL Sooooooo take it for what its worth LOL

Rom you were right

Maple? See if I dont think somethings right I find a real source. I dont just buy into what Im being told by one source and I research EVERYTHING Im told on message boards. Not if its important. I challenge you to research anything I say thats not my opinion It wont hurt my feelings

 

[hermanntrude]

hey i have an information source for you. source is how you spell source

 

[selfactivated]

LOL I have arthritis AND Im a horribble speller LOL Thank You Bri

 

[talloola]

Dont you dare apollogise! You HEARD me! Those Priests didnt and still arent


K

 

[sanctus]

Not nessesarily a sin? But it must be one of those optional sins the "church" can impose on you if it suits there monetary needs.

Yes, two faced policies and doctraines, that and any church I've visited is riddled with gay organ players, I mean United, Catholic, whatever. I have 'experienced ' such.


I rid myself of my sinfuless by becoming a practicing good person. Sans the bindings of someone telling me how to 'love god'. I found god in life.

Not necessarily because we cannot know how the mercy of God really works. We know He is merciful and His salvation is up to Him and Him alone. That there are elements of the truth in all religions we acknowledge.

But a sin? Again, not necessarily. One does not necessarily have to be Catholic to be saved, though that is the normative fashion.

 

[sanctus]

is it that simple for catholics? seems like there shold be more than doing the same sh*t over and over and still getting off the hook for it.sanctus???whatcha say?

Not that cut and dried, no. A true confession is also one infused with remorse and a contrite heart determined NOT to repeat the same behaviour. Willingly repeating the same behaviour dsplays a lack of proper repentance.

 

[hermanntrude]

certainly the normative (normal?) fashion for a catholic.

 

[sanctus]

I still think it is a requirement. Wether priests are part of the old old boys network looking out for their own or failing in their responsibilities because to do anything else would bring the church in to a bad light is another issue. Also your step did not confess. To be absolved of his crime he would have needed to turn himself in. Priests are human too and you stand as good as chance as on the street to run into an incompetent a$$hole who can't be bothered.

The confessional is sacred. In other words, the acknowledging of sins and the absolution has nothing necessarily to do with the secular world. The fact is, anything told to a priest in the confessional is secret and never revealed.

 

[hermanntrude]

except if the preist is corrupt, mouthy, or talks in his sleep

 

[sanctus]

Actually confession is about the only thing I like about the catholic church. The "little" sins such as impure thoughts, lust and envy can be wiped off the slate. Actual crimes is another story but I think the Catholic church requires that crimes be confessed to non-secular authorities.

No. We may certainly and usually advise the penitent seeker that this should be done, but not doing so would not prohibit hearing the confession. The Church does not require its membership to confess to anybody but God through the person of the priest acting on His behalf.

 

[selfactivated]

The confessional is sacred. In other words, the acknowledging of sins and the absolution has nothing necessarily to do with the secular world. The fact is, anything told to a priest in the confessional is secret and never revealed.

So if your 40 something and want to have a romp with a 6 year old you can tell a priest in confessional about it and voila! your SAVED! go forth and screw up someone elses life! So says god

 

[sanctus]

except if the preist is corrupt, mouthy, or talks in his sleep

Mayhaps, but I am not talking exceptions, I'm writing of the general rule. The confessional is sacred, and nothing is ever t be reveleaed, even to the person confessing.In other words, if you confessed a sin to me in the confessional, I would never bring it up to you when I saw you outside of the confessional.Theoretically what you told me should not even be on my mind when I run into you outside of the confessional, nor would I necessarily even know it was you that confessed.

 

[selfactivated]

No. We may certainly and usually advise the penitent seeker that this should be done, but not doing so would not prohibit hearing the confession. The Church does not require its membership to confess to anybody but God through the person of the priest acting on His behalf.

talk about an ego trip. Only a Priest can hear your confession cause your to dirty to talk to the big guy upstairs? Does that sound controling to anyone else but me?

 

[sanctus]

So if your 40 something and want to have a romp with a 6 year old you can tell a priest in confessional about it and voila! your SAVED! go forth and screw up someone elses life! So says god

No, not quite. We never give permission to repeat the offence.

 

[selfactivated]

No, not quite. We never give permission to repeat the offence.

you didnt turn him in either! Not your business? You forgive the sinner what about the victim?

 

[sanctus]

talk about an ego trip. Only a Priest can hear your confession cause your to dirty to talk to the big guy upstairs? Does that sound controling to anyone else but me?

Yes, only a priest can hear a confession. Nothing to do with an ego. It is a sacrament and one of the functions of the priesthood. Jesus indicated that what we forgive in His name is forgiven. In this function we believe we are acting as the channel through which the Holy Spirit works.The person of the priest is, thusly, only a conduit, not the source, of the forgiveness. It is Biblical to confess and be absolved of sins by a representative of Christ.
Self, I realize you have issues with me, and/or the Church, but I am not going to argue with you. I have great empathy for what happened to you, but I did not do.

 

[sanctus]

you didnt turn him in either! Not your business? You forgive the sinner what about the victim?

The confessional is sacred, so no, I would not reveal anything told to me in it. You seem to be aching for an argument. I am sure you are clever enough to know the rules of the confessional, especially considering the fact you indicated you were raised in the Church.You know very well we are not allowed to reveal things told us in the confessional.

 

[selfactivated]

Yes, only a priest can hear a confession. Nothing to do with an ego. It is a sacrament and one of the functions of the priesthood. Jesus indicated that what we forgive in His name is forgiven. In this function we believe we are acting as the channel through which the Holy Spirit works.The person of the priest is, thusly, only a conduit, not the source, of the forgiveness. It is Biblical to confess and be absolved of sins by a representative of Christ.
Self, I realize you have issues with me, and/or the Church, but I am not going to argue with you. I have great empathy for what happened to you, but I did not do.

No sanc I dont like you or your church but you put yourself off as the ONLY way and so does your church.......Its not......I channell too.....I channell my son, My sweet friends husband and my soulmates daughter but your church calls ME Possessed.........Who are you to do things Im not allowed to? What makes you better than me? Your preaching on a public forum.....ignore my arse but theres more where I come from. Im not the only one that sees through your church. And Im not that six year old any more I see you and your church for what you truely are.....hypocrites and your christ himself did not go for hypocrites.