Iran Executes 16 Year Old Girl

[Hotshot]

her point was very well made, and you are splitting hairs, it is a well know fact that females are

treated unfairly in those parts of the world, and know one has to explain that we would all feel the

same if it was the other way round. She didn't need to be told that. Unnecessary for sure.

Come on, now. Men are treated worse in a court of law in this country (abuse cases for example) than women. If a man tries to press charges of abuse against a woman, he is laughed at. Laws should be the same for men or women. People need to get their heads out of their butts and realize this.

A big deal is made about mass shooting of women, but of men? No. You know it and I know it. Wake up.

 

[Gonzo]

My point was that when she said "as a women" she signals all women out to feel bad. Men never say "as a man I was horrified" when a man gets beheaded in Saudi Arabia. We're all equal. And we all equally feel bad when someone, regardless of sex or race, is treated terribly in these countries. We don’t say "as a Caucasian man I felt terrible when those journalists were beheaded in Iraq".
It's just my point of view. Sassylassie is intitled to hers and that's fine.

 

[talloola]

Come on, now. Men are treated worse in a court of law in this country (abuse cases for example) than women. If a man tries to press charges of abuse against a woman, he is laughed at. Laws should be the same for men or women. People need to get their heads out of their butts and realize this.

A big deal is made about mass shooting of women, but of men? No. You know it and I know it. Wake up.

aren't we talking about Iran?

 

[Sassylassie]

My point was that when she said "as a women" she signals all women out to feel bad. Men never say "as a man I was horrified" when a man gets beheaded in Saudi Arabia. We're all equal. And we all equally feel bad when someone, regardless of sex or race, is treated terribly in these countries. We don’t say "as a Caucasian man I felt terrible when those journalists were beheaded in Iraq".
It's just my point of view. Sassylassie is intitled to hers and that's fine.

Gonzo when men get hanged for being raped, I'll be the first person to speak and yell from the roof tops about the injustice but let us be honest it's women in Islamic countries that are ill treated not the adult males. Male children suffer equally to the female children so I try to always include them. I feel no compunction to explain my vernacular to you, "As a women" I can understand how it must feel to suffer or be punished for being nothing more than a female you will never understand because males are the domanant force in Islam. Males live a priviledged lifestyle in Islamic countries and are free to beat, kill, divorce their wives and torture their children. When women are free to do the same I'll stop using the phrase "As a woman". Regarding religion and race in these countries, it's always the women and christians whom suffer and yes even males but this thread is about a little girl so that is the subject I responded to.

 

[Gonzo]

The leader of Iran is evil. But you have to wonder why the States hates him so much but is all cosey with the Saudi royal family. Don't they execute innocent people as well?
Opponents of the regime often accuse the US government of backing or propping-up "Saudi tyranny,"
Saudi courts impose capital punishment, including amputations hands and feet for robbery and homosexuality and floggings for lesser crimes such as "sexual deviance".
Why does the United States have such close ties to Saudi Arabia? Oil.

 

[talloola]

My point was that when she said "as a women" she signals all women out to feel bad. Men never say "as a man I was horrified" when a man gets beheaded in Saudi Arabia. We're all equal. And we all equally feel bad when someone, regardless of sex or race, is treated terribly in these countries. We don’t say "as a Caucasian man I felt terrible when those journalists were beheaded in Iraq".
It's just my point of view. Sassylassie is intitled to hers and that's fine.

as a woman I feel sickened to know that in the middle east women are treated shabbily, because i am
a woman. Women in general aen't given a fair break in the middle east, that means millions. I am a
woman, and would like all women to live free and happy all over the world, we are talking about a
female murder here, so lets stick to the point.

if men were treated shabbily in the middle east, I would feel bad as well, and if a thread was started
referring to a particular case, and there were millions of men mistreated in the middle east, it would
be sickening and my reaction would be the same as the young girl.

As far as beheadings go, men behead other men, the whole procedure is medieval and sickening,
and in the middle east beheadings seem to be quite common as a form of punishment. I haven't
noticed women beheading women or men. That is a male thing and if they want to cut each others
heads off to prove some kind of point, I don't feel sorry for any of them.

When I read in the news that groups of women are running around bagdad, or any other middle east
country/city beheading people, then I will say the same about them.

I think as a man you should be embarrassed and horrified that men behead men in the middle east,
a primitive form of butchery.

 

[Gonzo]

I'm not embarrassed because I don't behead men. Should you be embarrassed as a women because mothers kill there children? When a women throws her child off a bridge, micro waves her baby, or drowns them in the back seat of a car, should you feel ashamed? No. But it happens allot, due to post partum depression. You shouldn't feel ashamed because you wouldn't do that and it's not a female thing, it's drugs, post partum depression, or any number of things.
To say that men should feel ashamed because other men do that in the middle east is stupid. It’s a cultural thing, and a religious thing, not a male thing.

 

[talloola]

I'm not embarrassed because I don't behead men.

of course you don't, but the connection to your own gender doing such a thing, could create
some feelings of discomfort/embarrassment for men, that would be normal in my opinion, as I
would feel same if middle eastern women did that.


Should you be embarrassed as a women because mothers kill there children? When a women throws her child off a bridge, micro waves her baby, or drowns them in the back seat of a car, should you feel ashamed? No.

i am keeping this topic in tact, and it refers to the middle eastern treatment of women, I'm not
travelling to n. america for this discussion, that is another subject all together, and you are not
going to drag me there, but I'd be happy to reply in a new topic.


To say that men should feel ashamed because other men do that in the middle east is stupid.

It's your right to feel as you like, and I'm not going to call you stupid for doing so.
I have more class than that.
I'm sure many men do feel ashamed, as we are all human beings, and for our kind to behave in such
a horrible manner, has some bearing on how we feel about it.

It’s a cultural thing, and a religious thing, not a male thing

To say it's a cultural and religious thing to behead others/mistreat women is giving some respect
to that aspect of their way of life, in my opinion, and people who behave in that manner don't
deserve any respect at all.

 

[Zzarchov]

I had a long post pointing out how hypocritcal Tal was to Gonzo..but it just came off as waaaay to venomous, I'll try and compose my thoughts into a less venomous manner.

 

[ads]

The difference being that the Americans actually give the accused a jury trial, and then 10 or 20 years of appeals.......not exactly the same thing as being summarily executed for "crimes against chastity" or being executed after a kangeroo trial for some minor offence........after the removal of your valuable organs.

And no, I don't support execution except in the case of mass murderers..........

I do not support execution in any case... The deed can not be reverted...
And there is no sense in doing it...

 

[Zzarchov]

Well, how about economic in some cases? One might even say humanitarian.

Some people have incurable mental defects where it is never safe to leave them with other living creatures. So you can A.) Let them out to kill again B.) Leave them in a tiny cell their entire natural life for $100,000 a year (meaning more people who need healthcare don't get it) to suffer endlessly and repeatedly attempt suicide. C.) Kill them humanely and use the money on something worthwhile.

Im not saying that should be done, but to claim there is never any sense in killing someone is a bit off in my opinion.

 

[tracy]

Execution in America is more expensive than imprisonment. Studies have demonstrated that. It's mainly because of the long appeals process (lawyers are a lot more expensive than prison guards).

 

[Blackleaf]

Come on, now. Men are treated worse in a court of law in this country (abuse cases for example) than women.

BLACK men to be precise.

How else do you explain that the majority of people on death row in the United States are black when most crimes are committed by white?

 

[tracy]

BLACK men to be precise.

How else do you explain that the majority of people on death row in the United States are black when most crimes are committed by white?

Most crimes or most capital crimes? You have to remember most murderers are not elligible for the death penalty. The last thing I read about it said the race of the killer wasn't predictive of whether they would face execution, it had more to do with the race of the victim.

 

[Blackleaf]

it's always the women and christians whom suffer and yes even males but this thread is about a little girl so that is the subject I responded to.

She's not that little. She's 16. In Britain, anyone aged 10 or over can be put into prison. It used to be that people - both males AND females - were eligible to be hanged at not much older than that age. At 16 she should know right from wrong and when she was carrying out a capital crime she would have been old enough to know it was a capital crime.

Britain abolished the death penalty in 1971 (although we still have it for treason) and both males and females under the age of 16 were often executed even in the 20th century.

In fact, women who appeared on trial were MORE likely to be executed than men. Even though more men than women were executed in total, that's only because most serious crimes were committed by men. But when you look at the numbers of crimes that were committed and the proportion of women who were executed compared to men, women (including teenagers) were actually three times more likely to be executed in Britain than a man.

 

[Blackleaf]

Most crimes or most capital crimes? You have to remember most murderers are not elligible for the death penalty. The last thing I read about it said the race of the killer wasn't predictive of whether they would face execution, it had more to do with the race of the victim.

Both. White men and women are the majority in the United States, so logic follows that most crimes and capital crimes are committed by white men and white women. Being black doesn't mean that you are more likely to commit a crime than a white.

There are a disproportionate amount of blacks on death row in the country hilariously known as "The Land of the Free."

 

[tracy]

Both. White men and women are the majority in the United States, so logic follows that most crimes and capital crimes are committed by white men and white women. Being black doesn't mean that you are more likely to commit a crime than a white.

There are a disproportionate amount of blacks on death row in the country hilariously known as "The Land of the Free."

Do you have any links to this?

 

[tracy]

I found this site interesting Blackleaf. It doesn't seem to support your assertion that black murderers are treated so unfairly.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_the_United_States
African Americans make up 42% of death row inmates while making up only 12% of the general population. (They have made up 34% of those actually executed since 1976.)[39] Conversely, others note that this is lower than the 50% of the total prison population which is African American and that whites are in fact twice as likely as African Americans to receive the death penalty, and are also executed more quickly after sentencing.[40]

You may want to look at this site as well
http://www.prodeathpenalty.com/racism.htm

 

[Curiosity]

Blackleaf

You wrote:

The United States executes people. The US is in the Top 3 for most executions in the world - alongside Iran and China.

I would love to see where you found this particular tidbit of "information".

The U.S. executes people - and they are probably the only country which accounts for the executions it performs....whereas even Iran and China and lord knows how man other nations execute on a regular basis.... have absolutely no accountability with world statistics...and if the U.N. is keeping score it would be a laugh if they ever got it right....

We have absolutely no way of knowing what other less organized countries do with their felons or their treatment of dissenters either men or women.... if you can prove that statement above, I'd like to see where the proof has been duly written.

 

[L Gilbert]

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_exe-crime-executions