An Interesting take on WW2 A-bombs

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After all the rants and posturing and copying and pasting, it remains, that as much, if not more damage could have been done with a combination of high explosive, and incendiary bombs... There is also no doubt that Japan was trying to surrender. The lone condition to their surrender was that they would keep their Emperor system and their emperor. The Americans refused to look at any conditions and demanded "unconditional" surrender. After they dropped the bombs on two of the four or five cities that were saved for the "special bombs", the Americans readily agreed to the conditions that the Japanese wanted, and once the conditions were agreed to, the war was over. The Americans were able to walk in and hold trials and even execute a few people. The bombs didn't win the war. What the bombs did, was demonstrate, mainly to the Russians, the power of the American military. The worst thing the bombs did was cause a hundred thousand or so slow, agonizing, deaths from radiation and birth defects that are still happening today.
 
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I understand your aversion to the fact of continuing death in the target cities by radiation poisoning. And, you are correct, it was well within the capability of the allies to bring Japan completely to her knees by conventional means.

BUT

Why should they?

Conventional attacks would take time..........time in which more Allied POWs would die, more Allied sailors and airmen would die, and, in the end, conventional attacks would probably have cost more Japanese lives. Still, the main responsibility of leaders in wartime is to their OWN people, not to the enemy's people.

Why not end it quickly?

If it opens Soviet eyes, so much the better.

And, to be fair, I don't think the Yanks really understood the effects of radiation.

I don't believe the decision to drop the bomb was a mistake: ask any Allied POW of the Japs...........those you can find alive. And I'm not speaking of death by natural causes.

Perhaps the Japanese should have stayed the $%^# away from Pearl Harbour..........and Manchuria, and Korea, and Hong Kong, and Burma, and Vietnam, and New Guinea, and on and on..

I have to say, I am a little disturbed by the anger displayed at an act of war that ended a war with an enemy much worse than the Germans...........talk about racist murderers!
 

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My point was Colpy,

The bombs were not neccesary. It has been amply demonstrated that once that single Japanese condition was met, the war was over. Agreeing to that condition ended the war. No five hundred thousand American deaths, no huge numbers of injured. Since we know that incendiary and conventional bombs probably would have done as much if not more damage, why did we have to drop those filthy bombs. One reason. To show the Russians the damage that could be wrought by a single atom bomb. Just spare me the horse$hit that the a-bombs were needed to save hundreds of thousands of American lives.
 
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Prove it that the Japanese were about to surrender. And after you do that, explain why the US dropped the bombs anyway.



Your analogy is moronic, like almost every other post I have read from you. The holocaust was a systemic act of genocide, the bombs ended the war. Please elaborate how you are able to compare the two.




The japenese were about to surrender, it is an historical fact,the Japanese civilian leadership was strongly looking for an end to the war,.but barbarian, just like you are, decided to go anyway with the bombs, how can you justified nuclear bombs, on civilians, when 60 japanese citys, were already destroyed by air strike??? how can you be so much synical?? Do you realize what are the side effects of nuclear waste?? damn you guys make me puke.
 

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Let's put this to bed once and for all: here's a site that proves the estimate of 500,000 US DEAD, and up to a million wounded was actually a LOWER figure than originally arrived at by the professional people who did casualty estimation, in an attempt to make the operation seem more feasible. These are people with NO knowledge of the existence of nukes at the time, so they could not have been making excuses.....

http://home.kc.rr.com/casualties/

Here's one for those who think the Japs were about to surrender without a fight:

http://www.ibiblio.org/pha/war.term/olympic.html

And some more:

http://www.users.bigpond.com/pacificwar/AtomBomb_Japan.html

And, one has to question the motives of the author of the original piece......let's see, the head of a communist party accuses the United States of mass murder simply to thwart the honest aspirations of Stalin..........

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_Workers_Party_(United_States)

Two Points:

One: If the USA was seeking to cheat Stalin, why not do it in EUROPE? Why stop at an agreed line and let the USSR take Berlin? Especially with Patton mad to take on the Russians..........

Two: If the USA prevented portions of the Japanese from falling under the rule of Stalin by killing "only" 225,000 Japs with nukes (a vast over-estimate of the immediate death toll, BTW), then the Japanese should consider themselves lucky..............



Estimates proves absotly nothing, and who cares about those 500 000 us soldiers??? if german nazi would have won the war, they would have proven by killing 6 millions of jews, they would have saved the entire world economy and the whole world, so your whole point of saving peoples by ddropping nuclear bomb is totally retarded, but since i know you were raised by retarded peoples, which are fundamentalist christian, your comments doesnt surprised me.

Since when peoples are lucky to have been nucke with nuclear bombs and air stike that destroyed 60 japenese citys?? since when ??tabarnak de sibouaire d'atarder mentale :pukeright:
 

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who cares about those 500 000 us soldiers???

That about says it all, doesn't it?

You conveniently forget, or don't care, that the Canadians had a division committed, so did the Brits, and the ANZACS. I guess they don't matter either, in your psychotic little twisted world view.

but since i know you were raised by retarded peoples, which are fundamentalist christian, your comments doesnt surprised me.

I was raised by the nicest people imaginable, good-hearted, loving, generous, intelligent and totally honest.........they taught me right from wrong, and at least a semblence of respect for other people.

You should have been so lucky.
 

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Again. It wasn't the A-bombs that ended the war. It was the act of the Americans agreeing to let the Japanese keep their Emperor and the Emperor system. Once that was agreed to, the war was over. We have already established that Hiroshima and Nagasaki could have been subjected to worse damage by fire bombing the way Tokyo was.
 

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The japenese were about to surrender, it is an historical fact,the Japanese civilian leadership was strongly looking for an end to the war,.but barbarian, just like you are, decided to go anyway with the bombs, how can you justified nuclear bombs, on civilians, when 60 japanese citys, were already destroyed by air strike??? how can you be so much synical?? Do you realize what are the side effects of nuclear waste?? damn you guys make me puke.

Listen you phuckin ignorant blowhole, you don't have the foggiest idea what the hell you are talking about, so stop referring to me as a barbarian.

The civilian leadership was looking for peace, but they held NO power, get it? Or do you want me to draw it for you with a crayon? Imperial Japan was ruled by the Emperor and the militarists, DO YOU UNDERSTAND? The civilian leadership desiring peace means phuck all, if the Emperor and his hardliners weren't agreeing to it.

The Potsdam Declaration was issued on July 26th by the US, China and Britain laying out the terms of surrender. They didn't go for it initially. After Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the Imperial Prick decided to accept it, and the Japanese sent a message that they would accept the Potsdam Declaration with an added cluase of sustaining the Imperial system of government. The allies accepted. End of the war.
 

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That about says it all, doesn't it?

You conveniently forget, or don't care, that the Canadians had a division committed, so did the Brits, and the ANZACS. I guess they don't matter either, in your psychotic little twisted world view.



I was raised by the nicest people imaginable, good-hearted, loving, generous, intelligent and totally honest.........they taught me right from wrong, and at least a semblence of respect for other people.

You should have been so lucky.



Again, you are way too chicken,to quote my entire quote, however knowing what kind of ecucation you had, it just makes sense.

They thought you what was wrong and what was right, that is why you came with non-sense stupidity like the japenese were lucky to have only 2 nuclear bomb and 60 japenese city destroyed by air strike, i guess in your own FASCIST FUNDAMENTATLIST CHRISTIANS VIEW, yes i guess they were lucky, but from a human being point of view, like my self, it is an attrocity, supported only by barbarian retards.
 

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Listen you phuckin ignorant blowhole, you don't have the foggiest idea what the hell you are talking about, so stop referring to me as a barbarian.

The civilian leadership was looking for peace, but they held NO power, get it? Or do you want me to draw it for you with a crayon? Imperial Japan was ruled by the Emperor and the militarists, DO YOU UNDERSTAND? The civilian leadership desiring peace means phuck all, if the Emperor and his hardliners weren't agreeing to it.

The Potsdam Declaration was issued on July 26th by the US, China and Britain laying out the terms of surrender. They didn't go for it initially. After Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the Imperial Prick decided to accept it, and the Japanese sent a message that they would accept the Potsdam Declaration with an added cluase of sustaining the Imperial system of government. The allies accepted. End of the war.



Supporting the dropping of nuclear bomb, for whatever the reason is, is the perfect definition of being a barbarian, period.Supporting israelis policy , is also being a barbarian, supporting us policy in middle east, is also being a barbarian, now take your responsabilities, and live with it.


Like Juan proved in this post, it is not the 2 nuclear bomb that end the war, so get your facts straights once for all.
 

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The japenese were about to surrender, it is an historical fact,the Japanese civilian leadership was strongly looking for an end to the war,.but barbarian, just like you are, decided to go anyway with the bombs, how can you justified nuclear bombs, on civilians, when 60 japanese citys, were already destroyed by air strike??? how can you be so much synical?? Do you realize what are the side effects of nuclear waste?? damn you guys make me puke.
Great nothing new or intellegent here from puppet7.

Estimates proves absotly nothing, and who cares about those 500 000 us soldiers??? if german nazi would have won the war, they would have proven by killing 6 millions of jews, they would have saved the entire world economy and the whole world, so your whole point of saving peoples by ddropping nuclear bomb is totally retarded, but since i know you were raised by retarded peoples, which are fundamentalist christian, your comments doesnt surprised me.

Since when peoples are lucky to have been nucke with nuclear bombs and air stike that destroyed 60 japenese citys?? since when ??tabarnak de sibouaire d'atarder mentale :pukeright:
For someone that claims to be Belgien, you sure do use the Quebecuois vernaqular well puppet 7. You are a disgrace to whatever Nation you hail from.

Again. It wasn't the A-bombs that ended the war. It was the act of the Americans agreeing to let the Japanese keep their Emperor and the Emperor system. Once that was agreed to, the war was over. We have already established that Hiroshima and Nagasaki could have been subjected to worse damage by fire bombing the way Tokyo was.
See this post by Juan, puppet 7? This is how you debate a topic. Not the typic hysterical fingure pointing complete with nonsense you use. btw Juan, I kind of agree with you here.
Again, you are way too chicken,to quote my entire quote, however knowing what kind of ecucation you had, it just makes sense.

They thought you what was wrong and what was right, that is why you came with non-sense stupidity like the japenese were lucky to have only 2 nuclear bomb and 60 japenese city destroyed by air strike, i guess in your own FASCIST FUNDAMENTATLIST CHRISTIANS VIEW, yes i guess they were lucky, but from a human being point of view, like my self, it is an attrocity, supported only by barbarian retards.
My your grasp of reality is tenuous at best isn't it.

Supporting the dropping of nuclear bomb, for whatever the reason is, is the perfect definition of being a barbarian, period.Supporting israelis policy , is also being a barbarian, supporting us policy in middle east, is also being a barbarian, now take your responsabilities, and live with it.


Like Juan proved in this post, it is not the 2 nuclear bomb that end the war, so get your facts straights once for all.
Well I see consistant name calling is your best defence. I and others call you names because we have no other way of dealing with your lack of intellect, but at least it is never the bulk of our posts, as it is in your case. Try reading some history books and maybe even a couple self help books while your at it.

This thread, apart from you puppet7, has been an interesting read. Thanx to those with knowledge(ITN,Colpy,Juan,Mabudon) for contibuting. I have learned a lot.
 

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Supporting the dropping of nuclear bomb, for whatever the reason is, is the perfect definition of being a barbarian, period.Supporting israelis policy , is also being a barbarian, supporting us policy in middle east, is also being a barbarian, now take your responsabilities, and live with it.


Like Juan proved in this post, it is not the 2 nuclear bomb that end the war, so get your facts straights once for all.


I have my facts straight, if I expect to learn any "facts" from a few on this board, I'd be brain dead like yours truly.
 

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I have my facts straight, if I expect to learn any "facts" from a few on this board, I'd be brain dead like yours truly.



Whatever, i don't need any one to tell me that dropping nuclear bombs on japanese peoples head was bad, only naive, brainswashed moron will believe that it saved lives, pathetic i should say, and seriously coming from you isnt surprising.
 

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Great nothing new or intellegent here from puppet7.

For someone that claims to be Belgien, you sure do use the Quebecuois vernaqular well puppet 7. You are a disgrace to whatever Nation you hail from.


See this post by Juan, puppet 7? This is how you debate a topic. Not the typic hysterical fingure pointing complete with nonsense you use. btw Juan, I kind of agree with you here.
My your grasp of reality is tenuous at best isn't it.


Well I see consistant name calling is your best defence. I and others call you names because we have no other way of dealing with your lack of intellect, but at least it is never the bulk of our posts, as it is in your case. Try reading some history books and maybe even a couple self help books while your at it.

This thread, apart from you puppet7, has been an interesting read. Thanx to those with knowledge(ITN,Colpy,Juan,Mabudon) for contibuting. I have learned a lot.



I do name calling on poeples who deserved it, like you , ITN, Colpy, ASSylassie, you guys are a total disgrace to human race, Also,don't be hypocryte on it, you do call peoples names, and by judging your anti-quebecois and anti-arab stance, is just a normal behavior from anglophone retards like you are.


Yes i love quebec, and their peoples, they smiles, they are greath and they are smart, i wish one day , i will have my quebec citizen ship.
 

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Whatever, i don't need any one to tell me that dropping nuclear bombs on japanese peoples head was bad, only naive, brainswashed moron will believe that it saved lives, pathetic i should say, and seriously coming from you isnt surprising.

You know I'm getting quite sick of your holier than thou attitude around here Logic 7.

It is obvious you are not here to debate or to exchange information, only to promote hatred towards Anglo-Saxons, Americans, Christians and anything else that your twisted, self-righteous and ignorant mind can come up with.
 

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I would like to make some comments on this topic since I have great interest in anything related to WWII.

First of all, some of you are saying that the "Japanese were about to surrender". While this may be true, negotiations regarding surrender doesn't mean that the Japanese have surrendered. This process takes time, as Copy mentioned, and during this time, fighting continues. It is a known fact that the Japanese military would prefer death over surrender and would gladly trade their own life for the life of their enemy.

Colpy also mentioned that the Americans didn't really understand the effects of radiation. And so I believe that is why they dropped the bombs in the first place... as an experiment. An experiment to 1) test their weapons 2) study the effects and damage to property and humans 3) show the world that America has the power the f*ck you up. 4) End the war as quickly as possible.

It is clear that the Americans didn't give a damn about saving Japanese lives both civilian and military.

Somebody mentioned something about racism... let me tell you that this happened on both sides. Just look at the propaganda posters of the time.

Speaking of hiding the truth, during my high-school years, we had a group of Japanese victims from Horishima tell us what it was like during and after the A-bombing. It was sad, to say the least, and I truly felt sorry towards the Japanese and angry at the Americans. In later years, I watched countless documentaries and read numerous websites regarding the atrocities the Japanese committed in China... for which the Japanese have denied and erased from their history books. Now, knowing what I know, I don't feel as sorry as I did back then. Read here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanking_Massacre

The Japanese were a determined bunch. Even after being bombed to the point where most other countries would have surrendered long ago, the Japenese were building fire balloons made of wood and canvas in the hopes that one balloon carried by the trade winds would reach North America and start a fire in the forest somewhere. Funny as it may seem, there were a few of them (about 300) that made it. read here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attacks_on_North_America_during_World_War_II#Fire_balloons

One other recently proven fact is that the Japanese were in the process of building their own nuclear bomb. In fact, just prior to the German surrender, the Nazi's loaded up a U-Boat with Uranium and it to Japan. Luckily, it was captured. But the documentary mentioned that there were 2 sites (one in Japan and the other in Korea) dedicated to nuclear bomb research and that they had actually successfully tested a nuclear device. (Although the fact about the test detonation is up for debate).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_atomic_program#Atomic_program_of_the_Japanese_Navy

So, in light of all this, I'm glad that the war ended sooner rather than later. However, I am truly disturbed that a weapon, such as the A-bomb, was used on humans to end the war. Deep down inside something tells me that it is wrong no matter what the situation. I know it is easy to come to this conclusion in times of peace but it may have been different back in those times.

So was it necessary to drop the bombs? I don't know. Why didn't the Americans drop it on Mt Fuji or some really visible spot away from human life as a demonstration of what the Americans are capable of? I'm sure that some high-ranking Japanese official would notice. And I'm also sure that some Japanese would notice a flash of light followed by an earthquake followed by a huge mushroom-like cloud. Again, I believe it was an experiment.

So while some of you resent the fact that the Americans dropped A-Bombs on Japan, let's not forget that Japan is not as innocent as I was led to believe back in high-school.

PS> If you don't believe wikipedia is a reliabe source of information, let me know and I can find other sites. I just picked it because google returned it as one of the top 10 in my searches.
 

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Your posts, ITN, have been enlightening as well. And I certainly second agreement on cdn_bc_ca's post.

I would like to see Juan's response to ITN's point about the surrender issue:

1. That the civilian leadership which
made (ineffective?) moves towards peace was not in power.
The emperor and the military were in power. NOT the civilian leadership.
2. The fighting to the death still continued.
3. The emperor and military did not accept surrender terms from the Potsdam Conference when they
had many chances to do so.

Great thread.
 

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This is a bit of a long read but I think it tells the story the way it was.

One point I'd like to make about the demand for "unconditional surrender" is that that demand was uttered by Roosevelt, and Roosevelt had died and was not around to recall it. There were a few who wanted Roosevelt's words cast in stone though the words were from almost four years earlier and Roosevelt himself would likely have accepted the terms wanted by the Japanese.


Needless Slaughter, Useful Terror: Atomic Diplomacy
by William Blum
spring 1995

Does winning World War II and the Cold War mean never having to say you're sorry? The Germans have apologized to the Jews and to the Poles. The Japanese have apologized to the Chinese and the Koreans, and to the United States for failing to break off diplomatic relations before attacking Pearl Harbor. The Russians have apologized to the Poles for atrocities committed against civilians, and to the Japanese for abuse of prisoners. The Soviet Communist Party even apologized for foreign policy errors that "heightened tension with the West". [1]

Is there any reason for the U.S. to apologize to Japan for atomizing Hiroshima and Nagasaki?

Those on opposing sides of this question are lining up in battle formation for the 50th anniversary of the dropping of the atom bombs on August 6 and 9. During last year's raw-meat controversy surrounding the Smithsonian Institution's Enola Gay exhibit, U.S. veterans went ballistic. They condemned the emphasis on the ghastly deaths caused by the bomb and the lingering aftereffects of radiation, and took offense at the portrayal of Japanese civilians as blameless victims. An Air Force group said vets were "feeling nuked". [2]

In Japan, too, the anniversary has rekindled controversy. The mayors of the two Japanese cities in question spoke out about a wide "perception gap" between the two countries. [3] Nagasaki Mayor Hitoshi Motoshima, surmounting a cultural distaste for offending, called the bombings "one of the two great crimes against humanity in the 20th Century, along with the Holocaust". [4]

Defenders of the U.S. action counter that the bomb actually saved lives: It ended the war sooner and obviated the need for a land invasion. Estimates of the hypothetical saved-body count, however, which range from 20,000 to 1.2 million, owe more to political agendas than to objective projections. [5]

But in any event, defining the issue as a choice between the A-bomb and a land invasion is an irrelevant and wholly false dichotomy. By 1945, Japan's entire military and industrial machine was grinding to a halt as the resources needed to wage war were all but eradicated. The navy and air force had been destroyed ship by ship, plane by plane, with no possibility of replacement. When, in the spring of 1945, the island nation's lifeline to oil was severed, the war was over except for the fighting. By June, Gen. Curtis LeMay, in charge of the air attacks, was complaining that after months of terrible firebombing, there was nothing left of Japanese cities for his bombers but "garbage can targets". By July, U.S. planes could fly over Japan without resistance and bomb as much and as long as they pleased. Japan could no longer defend itself. [6]

After the war, the world learned what U.S. leaders had known by early 1945: Japan was militarily defeated long before Hiroshima. It had been trying for months, if not for years, to surrender; and the U.S. had consistently rebuffed these overtures. A May 5 cable, intercepted and decoded by the U.S., dispelled any possible doubt that the Japanese were eager to sue for peace. Sent to Berlin by the German ambassador in Tokyo, after he talked to a ranking Japanese naval officer, it read:

Since the situation is clearly recognized to be hopeless, large sections of the Japanese armed forces would not regard with disfavor an American request for capitulation even if the terms were hard. [7]

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As far as is known, Washington did nothing to pursue this opening. Later that month, Secretary of War Henry L. Stimson almost capriciously dismissed three separate high-level recommendations from within the Roosevelt administration to activate peace negotiations. The proposals advocated signaling Japan that the U.S. was willing to consider the all-important retention of the emperor system; i.e., the U.S. would not insist upon "unconditional surrender". [8]

Stimson, like other high U.S. officials, did not really care in principle whether or not the emperor was retained. The term "unconditional surrender" was always a propaganda measure; wars are always ended with some kind of conditions. To some extent the insistence was a domestic consideration – not wanting to appear to "appease" the Japanese. More important, however, it reflected a desire that the Japanese not surrender before the bomb could be used. One of the few people who had been aware of the Manhattan Project from the beginning, Stimson had come to think of it as his bomb, "my secret", as he called it in his diary. [9] On June 6, he told President Truman he was "fearful" that before the A-bombs were ready to be delivered, the Air Force would have Japan so "bombed out" that the new weapon "would not have a fair background to show its strength". [10] In his later memoirs, Stimson admitted that "no effort was made, and none was seriously considered, to achieve surrender merely in order not to have to use the bomb". [11]

And that effort could have been minimal. In July, before the leaders of the U.S., Great Britain, and the Soviet Union met at Potsdam, the Japanese government sent several radio messages to its ambassador, Naotake Sato, in Moscow, asking him to request Soviet help in mediating a peace settlement. "His Majesty is extremely anxious to terminate the war as soon as possible", said one communication. "Should, however, the United States and Great Britain insist on unconditional surrender, Japan would be forced to fight to the bitter end." [12]

On July 25, while the Potsdam meeting was taking place, Japan instructed Sato to keep meeting with Russian Foreign Minister Molotov to impress the Russians "with the sincerity of our desire to end the war [and] have them understand that we are trying to end hostilities by asking for very reasonable terms in order to secure and maintain our national existence and honor" (a reference to retention of Emperor Hirohito). [13]

Having broken the Japanese code years earlier, Washington did not have to wait to be informed by the Soviets of these peace overtures; it knew immediately, and did nothing. Indeed, the National Archives in Washington contains U.S. government documents reporting similarly ill-fated Japanese peace overtures as far back as 1943. [14]

Thus, it was with full knowledge that Japan was frantically trying to end the war, that President Truman and his hardline secretary of state, James Byrnes, included the term "unconditional surrender" in the July 26 Potsdam Declaration. This "final warning" and expression of surrender terms to Japan was in any case a charade. The day before it was issued, Harry Truman had approved the order to release a 15 kiloton atomic bomb over the city of Hiroshima. [15]

Many U.S. military officials were less than enthusiastic about the demand for unconditional surrender or use of the atomic bomb. At the time of Potsdam, Gen. Hap Arnold asserted that conventional bombing could end the war. Adm. Ernest King believed a naval blockade alone would starve the Japanese into submission. Gen. Douglas MacArthur, convinced that retaining the emperor was vital to an orderly transition to peace, was appalled at the demand for unconditional surrender. Adm. William Leahy concurred. Refusal to keep the emperor "would result only in making the Japanese desperate and thereby increase our casualty lists," he argued, adding that a nearly defeated Japan might stop fighting if unconditional surrender were dropped as a demand. At a loss for a military explanation for use of the bomb, Leahy believed that the decision "was clearly a political one", reached perhaps "because of the vast sums that had been spent on the project". [16] Finally, we have Gen. Dwight Eisenhower's account of a conversation with Stimson in which he told the secretary of war that:

Japan was already defeated and that dropping the bomb was completely unnecessary. ... I thought our country should avoid shocking world opinion by the use of a weapon whose employment was, I thought, no longer mandatory as a measure to save American lives. It was my belief that Japan was, at that very moment, seeking some way to surrender with a minimum loss of "face". The secretary was deeply perturbed by my attitude, almost angrily refuting the reasons I gave for my quick conclusions. [17]

If, as appears to be the case, U.S. policy in 1945 was based on neither the pursuit of the earliest possible peace nor the desire to avoid a land invasion, we must look elsewhere to explain the dropping of the A-bombs.

It has been asserted that dropping of the atomic bombs was not so much the last military act of the Second World War as the first act of the Cold War. Although Japan was targeted, the weapons were aimed straight to the red heart of the USSR. For three-quarters of a century, the determining element of U.S. foreign policy, virtually its sine qua non, has been "the communist factor" World War II and a battlefield alliance with the Soviet Union did not bring about an ideological change in the anti-communists who owned and ran America. It merely provided a partial breather in a struggle that had begun with the U.S. invasion of the Soviet Union in 1918. [18] It is hardly surprising then, that 25 years later, as the Soviets were sustaining the highest casualties of any nation in WW2, the U.S. systematically kept them in the dark about the A-bomb project – while sharing information with the British.

According to Manhattan Project scientist Leo Szilard, Secretary of State Byrnes had said that the bomb's biggest benefit was not its effect on Japan but its power to "make Russia more manageable in Europe". [19]

The United States was thinking post-war. A Venezuelan diplomat reported to his government after a May 1945 meeting that Assistant Secretary of State Nelson Rockefeller "communicated to us the anxiety of the United States Government about the Russian attitude". U.S. officials, he said, were "beginning to speak of Communism as they once spoke of Nazism and are invoking continental solidarity and hemispheric defense against it". [20]

Churchill, who had known about the weapon before Truman, applauded and understood its use: "Here then was a speedy end to the Second World War," he said about the bomb, and added, thinking of Russian advances into Europe, "and perhaps to much else besides. ... We now had something in our hands which would redress the balance with the Russians." [21]

Referring to the immediate aftermath of Nagasaki, Stimson wrote:

In the State Department there developed a tendency to think of the bomb as a diplomatic weapon. Outraged by constant evidence of Russian perfidy, some of the men in charge of foreign policy were eager to carry the bomb for a while as their ace-in-the-hole. ... American statesmen were eager for their country to browbeat the Russians with the bomb held rather ostentatiously on our hip. [22]

This policy, which came to be known as "atomic diplomacy", did not, of course, spring forth full-grown on the day after Nagasaki.

"The psychological effect on Stalin [of the bombs] was twofold," noted historian Charles L. Mee, Jr. "The Americans had not only used a doomsday machine; they had used it when, as Stalin knew, it was not militarily necessary. It was this last chilling fact that doubtless made the greatest impression on the Russians." [23]

After the Enola Gay released its cargo on Hiroshima, common sense – common decency wouldn't apply here – would have dictated a pause long enough to allow Japanese officials to travel to the city, confirm the extent of the destruction, and respond before the U.S. dropped a second bomb.

At 11 o'clock in the morning of August 9, Prime Minister Kintaro Suzuki addressed the Japanese Cabinet: "Under the present circumstances I have concluded that our only alternative is to accept the Potsdam Proclamation and terminate the war." Moments later, the second bomb fell on Nagasaki. [24] Some hundreds of thousands of Japanese civilians died in the two attacks; many more suffered terrible injury and permanent genetic damage.

After the war, His Majesty the Emperor still sat on his throne, and the gentlemen who ran the United States had absolutely no problem with this. They never had.

It has been argued, to the present day, that it wouldn't have mattered if the United States had accepted the Japanese peace overtures because the emperor was merely a puppet of the military, and the military would never have surrendered without the use of the A-bombs. This is an argument that not even the American policymakers of the time placed weight upon because they knew it was false. In any event, this doesn't excuse the US government for not at least trying what was, from humanity's point of view, the clearly preferable option. Moreover, the fact is that "the emperor as puppet" thesis was a creation out of whole cloth by General MacArthur, the military governor of Japan, to justify his personal wish that the emperor not be tried as a war criminal along with many other Japanese officials. Exonerating Hirohito was also in line with the strategic needs of the Truman administration.
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