The One True Church

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"All Churches are the same. I don’t need to attend any church to worship God. I can pray and read the Bible in my own room."
To profess belief in Jesus Christ not only obliges the Christian to believe in His person, but to believe in and follow what He established to continue His work of salvation in the world after His ascension. That Our Lord Jesus Christ intended to establish a Church of His own and require the faithful to obey it is clear from Sacred Scripture:
"...and on this rock I will build my Church..." (St. Matt. 16, 18). The Church belongs to Christ as it was founded by Him while He was still on earth; it is not a man-made institution established centuries later bearing the name of the particular heresiarch who spawned its existence.
This Church is to be a visible organization:
"A city built on a hill cannot be hid" (St. Matt. 5, 14). Being visible, Christ’s Church possesses a hierarchical authority to govern it (St. Luke 6, 13) which is invested with His own mission (St. John 20, 21) to teach (St. Matt. 28, 20) to rule (St. Matt. 18, 17-18) and to sanctify the faithful (St. John 15, 16).
Christ appointed St. Peter as head of this visible and hierarchical Church on earth:
"You are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church" (St. Matt. 16, 18).
As head, St. Peter is invested with Christ’s own authority to rule and govern:
"I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven" (St. Matt. 16, 18-19).
Those who purport to ignore Christ’s Church through their own disobedience no longer belong to its unity:
"if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector" (St. Matt. 18, 17).
To ignore the Church, one effectively ignores Christ:
"He who hears you hears me, and he who rejects you rejects me" (St. Luke 10, 16).
Despite the disobedience and protestations of its enemies and the rebellious, Christ will protect His Church so that "the gates of hades will not prevail against it" (St. Matt. 16, 18), lasting "always, to the end of the age" (St. Matt. 28, 20).
Our Lord not only took pains to establish His Church, but endowed it with four outstanding visible signs or "marks" which are intrinsic only to it: One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic.
One
"I will build my Church" (not Churches) (St. Matt. 16, 18). Protestantism is not one united body in doctrine and discipline, but a series of disparate organizations antagonistic not only to Catholicism but also often to each other.
"...one flock, one shepherd" (St. John 10, 16). The central authority of the Pope of Rome has kept the Catholic Church united in doctrine and discipline since the days of the Roman Empire. Protestantism continues to splinter with the advent of each new self-appointed "prophet" who claims to hold the true meaning of Sacred Scripture.
Holy
"And for their sakes I sanctify myself, so that they also may be sanctified in truth" (St. John 17, 19).
The true Church will be holy in Her founder, teachings and worship. There is no guarantee that all its members will practice what She preaches as is gathered from Our Lord’s images of the sower of the seed (St. Matt. 13, 18-23), the net enclosing the fish (St. Matt. 13, 47-52), and the sheep and the goats (St. Matt. 25, 31-46). The survival of the Catholic Church despite the examples of "bad Popes" only reinforces the fact that the holiness of the Church derives from Christ and Him alone.
Catholic
"Going therefore and make disciples of all nations..." (St. Matt. 28, 19).
Remaining essentially one and the same, the Church adapts to all times, places and people. No nation or race is excluded from Her fold, no language from proclaiming Her Gospel. Those who assert that the true believers are only white and Anglo-Saxon limit the redeeming power of Christ’s Precious Blood.
Apostolic
The true Church will trace its history and doctrine right back to the Apostles themselves: "I am with you always..." (St. Matt. 28, 20). It was not established in 1517, 1534, 1540 or in the nineteenth century. It must have existed since the Apostles, exist now, and continue until the end of the world.
Only the Roman Catholic Church can show itself to be One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic.
The Fathers:
St. Clement of Rome, Letter to the Corinthians (C. 96 - 98 A.D.):
"The Apostles received the gospel for us from the Lord Jesus Christ; and Jesus Christ was sent from God. Christ, therefore, is from God, and the Apostles are from Christ. Both of these orderly arrangements, then, are by God’s will. Receiving their instructions and being full of confidence on account of the resurrection of Our Lord Jesus Christ, and confirmed in faith by the word of God, they went forth in the complete assurance of the Holy Spirit, preaching the good news that the Kingdom of God is coming. Through countryside and city they preached; and they appointed their earliest converts, testing them by the spirit, to be the bishops and deacons of future believers. Nor was this a novelty: for bishops and deacons had been written about a long time earlier. Indeed, Scripture somewhere says: ‘I will set up their bishops in righteousness and their deacons in faith.’"
St. Clement of Alexandria, Miscellanies (Post 202 A.D.):
"From what has been said, then, it seems clear to me that the true Church, that which is really ancient, is one; and in it are enrolled those who, in accord with a design are just...We say, therefore, that in substance, in concept, in origin and in eminence, the ancient and Catholic Church is alone, gathering as it does into the unity of the one faith which results from the familiar covenants, - or rather, from the one covenant in different times, by the will of the one God and through the one Lord, - those already chosen, those predestined by God, who knew before the foundation of the world that they would be just."
St. Cyprian of Carthage, Letter to Florentius Pupianus (254 A.D.):
"There speaks Peter, upon whom the Church would be built, teaching in the name of the Church and showing that even if a stubborn and proud multitude withdraws because it does not wish to obey, yet the Church does not withdraw from Christ. The people joined to the priest and the flock clinging to their shepherd are the Church."
St. John Chrysostom (+407 A.D.), De Incomprehensibili 3, 6
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"You cannot pray at home as at church, where there is a great multitude, where exclamations are cried out to God as from one great heart, and where there is something more: the union of minds, the accord of souls, the bond of charity, the prayers of the priests."
Catechism of the Council of Trent (1566):
The true Church is also to be recognized from her origin, which can be traced back under the law of grace to the Apostles; for her doctrine is the truth not recently given, nor now first heard of, but delivered of old by the Apostles, and disseminated throughout the entire world. Hence no one can doubt that the impious opinions which heresy invents, opposed as they are to the doctrines taught by the Church from the days of the Apostles to the present time, are very different from the faith of the true Church.
Catechism of the Catholic Church (1992):
"Outside the Church there is no salvation"
No. 846:
How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers? Reformulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:
Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.
No. 847: This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church:
Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation.
No. 848: Although in ways known to himself God can lead those who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Gospel, to that faith without which it is impossible to please him, the Church still has the obligation and also the sacred right to evangelize all men.
 

CDNBear

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Are you saying that the one true church is a Christian church?

If so, please provide proof, some sort of link or internet address with the findings of an international court will suffice.
 

Dexter Sinister

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Then what about everybody who doesn't subscribe to "the one true church" but to some other church, or no church? And how can we possibly know it's "the one true church" when the only support for such a claim comes from within that church's own documents and nowhere else? How is that different from any other church that claims to have a lock on the truth? Islam makes exactly the same claim, based on evidence only from its sacred documents, which are more recent than yours.

Some elementary logic here Sanctus: you cannot prove the truth of any document by reference only to the document itself. You need corroborating evidence, and there isn't any. Those extra-Biblical sources you quote won't do, they too rely solely and entirely on Christian scripture as their starting point. And before you trot out that tired old argument that the number of people who've believed this stuff for thousands of years can't all be wrong, yes they can. The number of people who believe something to be true has nothing to do with whether it's really true or not.
 

Jay

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Matt 16 is talking about the (unrevealed) concept of Christ being the Christ....it is upon that the Church will be built. Later in verse 23 Christ calls Peter Satan....are we then to believe Peter is Satan or is the concept we are to believe?

Matt 18: 15 - 17

15 : Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
16 : But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
17 : And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.

It would appear to me that it isn't discussing the "true" church in the least as the remedy to the situation can be resolved by two men apparently.

The quote in the first post is out of context.

The major Protestant denominations believe in the Catholic Church, the Universal Church, not necessarily the Roman Catholic Church.

For Roman Catholics to believe they are the only way to salvation within the Christian religion is much like the thinking of the Pharisees IMHO.
 

CDNBear

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Please post it. Like I said before, from an international recognised court of law or some other form of internationally recognized governing body, other then the Vatican.
 

Jay

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Your not going to find anything like that, CDNBear. What free world government would even attempt to do such a thing? Nation states may have offical Churches, but their not going to say that Church is the "true" Church.
 

CDNBear

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Your not going to find anything like that, CDNBear. What free world government would even attempt to do such a thing? Nation states may have offical Churches, but their not going to say that Church is the "true" Church.
That's my point Jay.

I find every religion I have given study to, beautiful if applied in sections.

I would be best described as Buddist, I beleive mostt hings have a spirit and are deserving of respect.

My reasons for asking such an impossible question, are simple. Draw out the underlying bias, and expose it for what it is. Disrespect of anything that does not fit snuggly in ones perspective religion.

Just the statement "One true religion" riles me. The top three are based on the same book, for cryin' out loud.

If all the religious types could get over themselves, but for a minute and look out at the world with out seeing it in the context of their perspective holy scriptures, they would see that their god, is their God and visa versa.

I wrote a paper once on religion, I titled it, "Religion causes hate, hate causes war". I look back it now and see that, that title was wrong. I should have called it, "'Man' causes religion to cause hate, hate causes war".

It is self righteous and arrogant comments by men, like "one true religion" that start that hate.
 

Jay

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Might work for you but it isn't something I can agree with.
 

Jay

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You've got me curious as to what you are referring to.


I'm referring to the bulk of your post.



sanctus,


Is this what I can expect from you? Nothing? No reply....Copy/paste religion? I thought you were a fracking Priest.

My needs are far greater than that, and if you treat your congregation the same way your treating us you’re not worthy of the Cloth or my time and affection. Understand what I'm saying?

Speak in Latin if this is all you’re going give me.
 

Dexter Sinister

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Well, I don't really *know* it for a fact, I try to remain open to the possibility this guy might be on to something real that I've never encountered before, and if so I want to see it. Long odds against it, I agree, but they're not zero.
 

CDNBear

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I'm referring to the bulk of your post.
When your finished chastizing sanctus for his absence, perhaps you could elaborate on "the bulk" of my post that you do not agree with?

Just curious, I sence you are a religious man?
 

tamarin

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The one true church is that one where God is as active within HIs community as are his parishioners. All fail on this count. It's all lopsided. Until God manifests Himself more in the daily life of HIs people a working church is impossible. It's not so much a question of church: would the one true God please stand up.