Anti-Syrian cabinet minister killed in Beirut
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No answer, again. Just as in the Islamophobia thread. It was said I insulted Bear and others but nobody posted even one line where I used pejoratives on him or anyone else.
Naturally.
Hey Bear - while I have your attention, you said you would put me on IGNORE several times but haven't done so. Why don't you keep your word and do so now?
Naturally.
Hey Bear - while I have your attention, you said you would put me on IGNORE several times but haven't done so. Why don't you keep your word and do so now?
I have never said that.
I asked you to site the question that promted your last post. Either put up or shut up. Jeeze, and you claim I don't answer. I will answer your question, when you put it in context from this thread.
If you can not, keep deflecting or move on.
I asked you to site the question that promted your last post
That was an answer to Sass's question, not to yours.
What? You're not putting me on your IGNORE list? Good for you.
I wouldn't ignore you gopher, how else would I be able to balance out your vitiolic nonsense?
Silly littel man, take some of your meds, it was you who declared that if I wasn't nice, you would put me on your ignore list.
But I challenge ya to prove I said I would put you on it. LOL, good luck with that. I'm still waiting for you to prove I an Islamophobe.
Deflecting again!
Still haven't answered any questions.
Just about everything you say is unsubstanciated.
No character. Keep laughing, if that what gets you through life.
Sad, very sad.
Just about everything you say is unsubstanciated.
Look who's talking!
When I posed the two links which alleged that the mossad is behind attacks in Lebanon you criticized them but offered NOTHING in the way of proof to refute them
Nothing.
Why don't you ever offer some proof that they could possibly be wrong in some way rather than continually criticize the way you do?
Let's have a straight forward answer rather than continued criticism and deflection.
Disp[ite the question in this post. this post is just deflection from answering the post your not answering, lmao.
I checked out your links and answered you and agreed with you. You as par for the course, only read what you wanted to.
Here, I'll post it again...
"I read your article and noticed a difference between the two events, the one in the OP, is a Christian Parimentary member and the other is an Islamic Jihadist.
Could I see the Mossad being behind that? Oh you bet your bippy I would. So I guess there is no reason to refute it, other then the source. The Lebonese Army, lol. I have experience with the Lebonese Army gopher. Some of them are really cool guys, funny as hell and decent sh*ts all the way round. Others would rather piss on you becuase you have Jewish blood in you. All in all though gopher, they have the same cred with this old boy, as the US agencies that wished up the WMD."
Need I provide more proof you only see what you want?
fine answer with lots of innuendo... and only after I had to repeat my challenge
next time try a straight forward answer without the innuendo, the sidestepping, name calling
As for the Lebanese Army, why would they blame Israel if Syria is their enemy as so many allege? They blame the mossad because of its history of engaging in terrorism as I showed you in the Ostrovsky and Beit-Hallahmi links.
next time try a straight forward answer without the innuendo, the sidestepping, name calling
As for the Lebanese Army, why would they blame Israel if Syria is their enemy as so many allege? They blame the mossad because of its history of engaging in terrorism as I showed you in the Ostrovsky and Beit-Hallahmi links.
Hey gopher, thats a quote from post 14, go back and look, you as usual only read what you wanted and missed the fact that I had agreed with you.
A Possible Reason Why The Assassination Took Place
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/11/21/iraq.syria.ap/index.html
Iraq, Syria resume diplomatic ties
POSTED: 11:31 a.m. EST, November 21, 2006
More on CNN TV: Henry Kissinger says military victory in Iraq is impossible. He discusses the options with Wolf Blitzer, tonight at 7 ET. ");}More on CNN TV: Henry Kissinger says military victory in Iraq is impossible. He discusses the options with Wolf Blitzer, tonight at 7 ET.
BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) -- After nearly a quarter-century of severed ties, Iraq on Tuesday resumed diplomatic relations with neighboring Syria -- a move seen as a possible step toward stemming some of the unrelenting violence in Iraq.
The Iraqi and Syrian presidents also received invitations from Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to weekend meetings in Tehran to tackle the chaos in Iraq, Iraqi lawmakers said.
Iraqi President Jalal Talabani's spokesman said his boss would attend but that Syrian President Bashar Assad would not. (Full story)
The invitation was thought to be an attempt by Iran to upstage expected U.S. moves to include Syria and Iran in a wider regional effort to clamp off violence in Iraq.
The announcement of restored Iraqi-Syrian ties came during a groundbreaking visit to Baghdad by Syrian Foreign Minister Walid Moallem.
"The latest talks between the Syrian and Iraqi side have been crowned by declaring a new era with the participation of the Syrian brothers in working on the security and stability with Iraq and restoring full diplomatic relations," said Iraqi government spokesman Ali al-Dabbagh.
Syria broke diplomatic ties with Iraq in 1982, accusing Iraq of inciting riots by the banned Muslim Brotherhood in Syria. Damascus also sided with Iran in the 1980-88 Iran-Iraq war. Trade ties were restored in 1997.
More recently, Syria is widely believed to have done little to stop foreign fighters and al Qaeda recruits from crossing its border to join Sunni insurgents in Iraq. It also has provided refuge for many top members of Saddam Hussein's former leadership and political corps, which is thought to have organized arms and funding for the insurgents. The Sunni insurgency, since it sprang to life in the late summer of 2003, has been responsible for the vast majority of U.S. deaths in Iraq.
On Monday, Moallem was challenged over Damascus' role in supporting the Sunni insurgency.
"We object to any neighboring country that allows itself to be a base or a transit point for the terrorist groups that harm Iraq," Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki said after meeting with the Syrian envoy.
Al-Maliki told Moallem that Damascus should not let its disputes with the United States be played out in Iraq, where the chaos and bloodshed has become "a danger that threatens all, not Iraq only."
Asked about the Syrian's visit, State Department deputy spokesman Tom Casey said "the problem is not what they say but what they do."
"Certainly what we would like to see the Syrians do is take actions to, among other things, prevent foreign fighters from coming across the border into Iraq; and, again, to back up the positive words that they have with some real concrete steps," Casey said.
Moallem arrived in Iraq on Sunday in the first such high-level visit by a Syrian official since the fall of Hussein's regime in 2003.
Syria wants to emerge as a mediating power in the ME conflicts. But it is evident that somebody does not want them to have any such influence. Therefore, the idea that Syria is behind assassinating anyone in the Beirut government is about as far fetched as the idea that the moon is made of cheese.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/11/21/iraq.syria.ap/index.html
Iraq, Syria resume diplomatic ties
POSTED: 11:31 a.m. EST, November 21, 2006
More on CNN TV: Henry Kissinger says military victory in Iraq is impossible. He discusses the options with Wolf Blitzer, tonight at 7 ET. ");}More on CNN TV: Henry Kissinger says military victory in Iraq is impossible. He discusses the options with Wolf Blitzer, tonight at 7 ET.
BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) -- After nearly a quarter-century of severed ties, Iraq on Tuesday resumed diplomatic relations with neighboring Syria -- a move seen as a possible step toward stemming some of the unrelenting violence in Iraq.
The Iraqi and Syrian presidents also received invitations from Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to weekend meetings in Tehran to tackle the chaos in Iraq, Iraqi lawmakers said.
Iraqi President Jalal Talabani's spokesman said his boss would attend but that Syrian President Bashar Assad would not. (Full story)
The invitation was thought to be an attempt by Iran to upstage expected U.S. moves to include Syria and Iran in a wider regional effort to clamp off violence in Iraq.
The announcement of restored Iraqi-Syrian ties came during a groundbreaking visit to Baghdad by Syrian Foreign Minister Walid Moallem.
"The latest talks between the Syrian and Iraqi side have been crowned by declaring a new era with the participation of the Syrian brothers in working on the security and stability with Iraq and restoring full diplomatic relations," said Iraqi government spokesman Ali al-Dabbagh.
Syria broke diplomatic ties with Iraq in 1982, accusing Iraq of inciting riots by the banned Muslim Brotherhood in Syria. Damascus also sided with Iran in the 1980-88 Iran-Iraq war. Trade ties were restored in 1997.
More recently, Syria is widely believed to have done little to stop foreign fighters and al Qaeda recruits from crossing its border to join Sunni insurgents in Iraq. It also has provided refuge for many top members of Saddam Hussein's former leadership and political corps, which is thought to have organized arms and funding for the insurgents. The Sunni insurgency, since it sprang to life in the late summer of 2003, has been responsible for the vast majority of U.S. deaths in Iraq.
On Monday, Moallem was challenged over Damascus' role in supporting the Sunni insurgency.
"We object to any neighboring country that allows itself to be a base or a transit point for the terrorist groups that harm Iraq," Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki said after meeting with the Syrian envoy.
Al-Maliki told Moallem that Damascus should not let its disputes with the United States be played out in Iraq, where the chaos and bloodshed has become "a danger that threatens all, not Iraq only."
Asked about the Syrian's visit, State Department deputy spokesman Tom Casey said "the problem is not what they say but what they do."
"Certainly what we would like to see the Syrians do is take actions to, among other things, prevent foreign fighters from coming across the border into Iraq; and, again, to back up the positive words that they have with some real concrete steps," Casey said.
Moallem arrived in Iraq on Sunday in the first such high-level visit by a Syrian official since the fall of Hussein's regime in 2003.
Syria wants to emerge as a mediating power in the ME conflicts. But it is evident that somebody does not want them to have any such influence. Therefore, the idea that Syria is behind assassinating anyone in the Beirut government is about as far fetched as the idea that the moon is made of cheese.
Gopher, you are losing it.
I would agree, however, that it is likely the two assasinations were done by the same people.
The assasination of Hariri was investigated by the UN, who implicated Syrian and Lebanese security officials.......
Unless, of course, the Mossad is running the United Nations.
What the heck?
This has absolutely nothing to do with the assasination of Hariri or of Gemayel.
This has to do with Israeli assasination of leaders of Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad, and radical Palestinian groups. They are not ALLIES of Israel, as Lebanese Christians have often been.
Common Gopher, quit trolling and talk sense.
Now, could we go back to the topic?
The latest update from Lebanon, it would seem the people of Lebanon are ready to fight the terrorist that invaded their country "Hezbollah" may you be toast in short order. Syria find another hobby.
Fears of Civil Strife Rise in Lebanon
Christian Cabinet Member Pierre Gemayel, Killed by Gunmen, Was Critic of Syria
By Anthony Shadid
Washington Post Foreign Service
Wednesday, November 22, 2006; Page A01
BEIRUT, Nov. 21 -- One of Lebanon's most pronounced political crises in a generation slid into bloodshed Tuesday when assailants showered gunfire on a car carrying an anti-Syrian politician and scion of the country's most prominent Christian family, killing him and a bodyguard and pushing Lebanon a step closer to civil strife.
The assassination of Pierre Gemayel, a divisive figure in a country riven by sectarian tension, underlined the lack of red lines in the escalating struggle over Lebanon's political future that has followed this summer's war between Hezbollah and Israel. The struggle is crucial not only to the often zero-sum calculations of Lebanese politics but also to the regional ambitions of the United States, Iran, Syria and Israel.
"We will not allow assassins to control Lebanon's destiny and its people's future," Prime Minister Fouad Siniora said.
The shots along a busy street that killed Gemayel, the industry minister, reverberated across Beirut as dusk fell. In the city's Shiite Muslim south, where Gemayel was among the most reviled of Christian politicians, occasional gunfire erupted in celebration and some residents expressed satisfaction at his death. Across town, in Christian East Beirut, his supporters set fires in protest along usually busy intersections, sending smoke eddying over emptied streets. At the hospital where he was taken, scores gathered in the lobby and parking lot. Some hurriedly spoke into phones. Their eyes red, women sobbed and men wailed with grief.
"We want revenge!" a few shouted. "We want revenge!"
"I have one wish," Gemayel's father, former president Amin Gemayel, told them after nightfall, "that tonight be a night of prayer to contemplate the meaning of this martyrdom and how to protect this country. I call on all those who appreciate Pierre's martyrdom to preserve his cause and for all of us to remain in the service of Lebanon. We don't want reactions and revenge."
As he left, the crowd shouted, "Amin, don't frown! If you want soldiers, we'll don their uniforms."
Gemayel, a 34-year-old father of two and an up-and-coming politician, was killed when his car was ambushed by men from one or two cars that collided with it in the suburban neighborhood of Jdeideh. At least three gunmen opened fire with automatic weapons equipped with silencers, hitting him in the head and chest, officials said. Television footage showed the tinted driver's-side window pocked with at least eight shots and the glass on the passenger's side shattered. The silver sedan's hood was crumpled from the collision.
Doctors said Gemayel was dead when he arrived at the hospital, and his bodyguard later succumbed to his wounds.
Foreign leaders and officials across the Lebanese divide were unanimous in condemning the assassination. President Bush called for an international investigation to "identity those people and those forces behind the killing."
Gemayel's allies were quick to put his killing in the context of a series of assassinations that followed the death of former prime minister Rafiq al-Hariri in a car bombing in February 2005, a turning point in Lebanese politics that led to the departure of Syrian troops from the country. Gemayel's supporters blamed Syria for his death, as they did with Hariri's and the subsequent assassinations of three other anti-Syrian figures. Gemayel, though, was the first killed since Hariri to have an organized and fervent following.
The Syrian government, in a statement carried by its news agency, denied any role in Gemayel's death, as it has in the previous killings.
Fears of Civil Strife Rise in Lebanon
Christian Cabinet Member Pierre Gemayel, Killed by Gunmen, Was Critic of Syria
By Anthony Shadid
Washington Post Foreign Service
Wednesday, November 22, 2006; Page A01
BEIRUT, Nov. 21 -- One of Lebanon's most pronounced political crises in a generation slid into bloodshed Tuesday when assailants showered gunfire on a car carrying an anti-Syrian politician and scion of the country's most prominent Christian family, killing him and a bodyguard and pushing Lebanon a step closer to civil strife.
The assassination of Pierre Gemayel, a divisive figure in a country riven by sectarian tension, underlined the lack of red lines in the escalating struggle over Lebanon's political future that has followed this summer's war between Hezbollah and Israel. The struggle is crucial not only to the often zero-sum calculations of Lebanese politics but also to the regional ambitions of the United States, Iran, Syria and Israel.
"We will not allow assassins to control Lebanon's destiny and its people's future," Prime Minister Fouad Siniora said.
The shots along a busy street that killed Gemayel, the industry minister, reverberated across Beirut as dusk fell. In the city's Shiite Muslim south, where Gemayel was among the most reviled of Christian politicians, occasional gunfire erupted in celebration and some residents expressed satisfaction at his death. Across town, in Christian East Beirut, his supporters set fires in protest along usually busy intersections, sending smoke eddying over emptied streets. At the hospital where he was taken, scores gathered in the lobby and parking lot. Some hurriedly spoke into phones. Their eyes red, women sobbed and men wailed with grief.
"We want revenge!" a few shouted. "We want revenge!"
"I have one wish," Gemayel's father, former president Amin Gemayel, told them after nightfall, "that tonight be a night of prayer to contemplate the meaning of this martyrdom and how to protect this country. I call on all those who appreciate Pierre's martyrdom to preserve his cause and for all of us to remain in the service of Lebanon. We don't want reactions and revenge."
As he left, the crowd shouted, "Amin, don't frown! If you want soldiers, we'll don their uniforms."
Gemayel, a 34-year-old father of two and an up-and-coming politician, was killed when his car was ambushed by men from one or two cars that collided with it in the suburban neighborhood of Jdeideh. At least three gunmen opened fire with automatic weapons equipped with silencers, hitting him in the head and chest, officials said. Television footage showed the tinted driver's-side window pocked with at least eight shots and the glass on the passenger's side shattered. The silver sedan's hood was crumpled from the collision.
Doctors said Gemayel was dead when he arrived at the hospital, and his bodyguard later succumbed to his wounds.
Foreign leaders and officials across the Lebanese divide were unanimous in condemning the assassination. President Bush called for an international investigation to "identity those people and those forces behind the killing."
Gemayel's allies were quick to put his killing in the context of a series of assassinations that followed the death of former prime minister Rafiq al-Hariri in a car bombing in February 2005, a turning point in Lebanese politics that led to the departure of Syrian troops from the country. Gemayel's supporters blamed Syria for his death, as they did with Hariri's and the subsequent assassinations of three other anti-Syrian figures. Gemayel, though, was the first killed since Hariri to have an organized and fervent following.
The Syrian government, in a statement carried by its news agency, denied any role in Gemayel's death, as it has in the previous killings.