Harper calls off summit

CDNBear

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The cojones to explain how Harper's "made in Canada" plan is better than kyoto? Apparently not.



Kind of like how conservatives complained when the Liberals didn't kiss American ass?
First off the Kyo... OH forget it, I've smashed the Kyoto accord in two threads now, it is flawed, there has to be a better plan, the clean air act is a really small start, but thank gawd it wasn't that rag kyoto.

Go read the an inconvenient truth thread.

BTW mickey, you told me to kiss your ass as you cried your way out the door, so I did, what are you doing back? Just more proof you got no cred! You can not follow through with anything.
 

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First off the Kyo... OH forget it, I've smashed the Kyoto accord in two threads now, it is flawed, there has to be a better plan, the clean air act is a really small start, but thank gawd it wasn't that rag kyoto.

Go read the an inconvenient truth thread.

BTW mickey, you told me to kiss your ass as you cried your way out the door, so I did, what are you doing back? Just more proof you got no cred! You can not follow through with anything.

You have smashed nothing. A majority of real scientists support Kyoto and all the whining in the world doesn't change that. Your opinion is just that, your opinion. Your shouting your opinion louder doesn't make it more than what it is.
 

CDNBear

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You have smashed nothing. A majority of real scientists support Kyoto and all the whining in the world doesn't change that. Your opinion is just that, your opinion. Your shouting your opinion louder doesn't make it more than what it is.
So where is that voice when I am saying the samething to the anti crowd that dismiss facts? Why will you not help defend fact against the anti crowd? You seem quite able to do it here, over what is clearly fact on the global warming issue. What makes this issue more important then the issues I am fight over on war.

We are more likely at this point in time, to die from terrorism or war then global warming. If the issue of terrorism and the US's global colonization is not addressed, the world will not get a chance to get hot, before we anniolate ourselves.

The Kyoto Protocol IS flawed. I'm not yelling, I'm typing. You did not counter my proof in the other thread. The US and Canada are not involved in it, that says a lot. It is not for us. Do I dissagree with your position on global warming? No. I whole heartedly agree. Was Kyoto the answer? No. And many countries and a growing number of 15,000 plus scientists agree with me.

But your dismay with Harper smacks of hypocracy, you were mad at the US on the softwood issue, and if Harper had snubbed them on a summit on that issue, I levy that you would not have been heard from, cept to say, "good on'em".
 

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The US and Canada are not involved in it, that says a lot. It is not for us.

Canada was involved with it, and should be again. A majority of Canadians agree with Kyoto. Harper was wrong to ignore the summit and he will pay for that. Is Kyoto perfect? Hell no, but Kyoto had one thing that the global warming problem needed, and that is consensus. Only two developed countries didn't sign on to Kyoto. The U.S., and Australia. The U.S. is the worst emmitter of greenhouse gasses, and Australia, like Canada, is certainly one of the worst. The global warming problem has to be addressed by the world, not individual countries. Will cutting greenhouse gasses cost money? Yes, but it will cost less if we do it now than it will if we wait for it to get worse.
 

CDNBear

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Canada was involved with it, and should be again. A majority of Canadians agree with Kyoto. Harper was wrong to ignore the summit and he will pay for that. Is Kyoto perfect? Hell no, but Kyoto had one thing that the global warming problem needed, and that is consensus. Only two developed countries didn't sign on to Kyoto. The U.S., and Australia. The U.S. is the worst emmitter of greenhouse gasses, and Australia, like Canada, is certainly one of the worst. The global warming problem has to be addressed by the world, not individual countries. Will cutting greenhouse gasses cost money? Yes, but it will cost less if we do it now than it will if we wait for it to get worse.
No, a mojority of Canadians agree something must be done about global warming, not nesseccarily that we need to be part of Kyoto.

You fail to see my point, you won't see eye to eye on anything I say or Harper does, so why are we beating our heads against each others. Seeing as we are not apart of Kyoto anymore, get over it.

What should we do now, without Kyoto? Give me something to chew on. Not hype or opinion. Kyoto Canada is dead. What should be done now?
 

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But your dismay with Harper smacks of hypocracy, you were mad at the US on the softwood issue, and if Harper had snubbed them on a summit on that issue, I levy that you would not have been heard from, cept to say, "good on'em".

You are fond of telling people how they will think, and how they will react. I haven't changed my thinking on the softwood issue. The Americans were wrong. Plain and simple. They are also wrong in their position on global warming.
 

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Until you're elected as god of the Internet I'll post wherever and whenever I like CDNbear and you of course can continue to attempt to personalize your fascist agenda.
 

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Until you're elected as god of the Internet I'll post wherever and whenever I like CDNbear and you of course can continue to attempt to personalize your fascist agenda.
I'm a fascist now am I, are any mods going to address these type of comments. Or perhaps the comments hidden in long winded scathing accusations.

Prove I'm a fascist mickey.
 

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You are fond of telling people how they will think, and how they will react. I haven't changed my thinking on the softwood issue. The Americans were wrong. Plain and simple. They are also wrong in their position on global warming.
No I did not tell you how to think, I predicted how you would think. A world of difference.

You loathing of my view is apparent in the fact that you ignored my olive branch, in the query'ing of what we should do now that Kyoto is a dead issue. I was really looking for your ideas, not a kick in the balls.
 

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No I did not tell you how to think, I predicted how you would think. A world of difference.

You loathing of my view is apparent in the fact that you ignored my olive branch, in the query'ing of what we should do now that Kyoto is a dead issue. I was really looking for your ideas, not a kick in the balls.

My God, can you not have a calm, reasonable, discussion? You treat every topic as a battle that you have to win. I don't "loath" your point of view, nor did I "kick you in the balls". Maybe you should examine your idea of what a discussion is. It is obviously not the same as mine.
 

CDNBear

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My God, can you not have a calm, reasonable, discussion? You treat every topic as a battle that you have to win. I don't "loath" your point of view, nor did I "kick you in the balls". Maybe you should examine your idea of what a discussion is. It is obviously not the same as mine.
Now that is not true, just go back and read you claims and try that agian.

And still you will not even attemp a clear sharing of ideas. And you chastise me?
 

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I'm a fascist now am I, are any mods going to address these type of comments. Or perhaps the comments hidden in long winded scathing accusations.

Prove I'm a fascist mickey.

I don't have to CDNbear, you prove it every time you lower the tone of the discussion to the level of an adolescent. An adolescent recounting every percieved "wrong" and demanding that everyone not only pay attention to what you have to say but that they damn well better agree with you as well!
 

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Soon we will have an answer as to where to go next from Kyoto. Kyoto is old, it was merely a starting point on this issue, which did need to be addressed. It was inevitable that there would be countries who would not sign the accord, it was unfair to other countries, and in order to get that many countries to even sign the document, it had to be altered. Regardless of who does what, when and how, there is a bteer understanding of this issue than there was ten years ago. Monday talks start in Nairobi on where to go next for the Kyoto ratifying nations. There are many problems which need to be addressed.

The whole doomsday thing is rather silly, as is the speculation that it would have ruined our economy. Over the time period since it has been signed, we could have been making slow incremental changes. Carbon sequestration, improved emission standards for passenger vehicles, more investment in renewable energy, etc. Do you know that big business in the States has addressed these problems? The Insurance industry has seen a dramatic increase in the costs incurred. They now implement global warming in their economic models. As a result of this, premiums near shorelines have jumped, when assessing claims the policy holder is directed to green technologies by the insurance company.

Kyoto will be dead soon, hopefully replaced by something more comprehensive, more realistic, and most importantly something which can be acted upon immediately. We have lost time on this issue, dithered and dallied. With public opinion now warming up to the idea, perhaps we may see a paradigm shift in the right direction to be more efficient, less damaging to the fragile eco-systems we depend on and ultimatley better tenants of this wonderful blue marble.
 

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I don't have to CDNbear, you prove it every time you lower the tone of the discussion to the level of an adolescent. An adolescent recounting every percieved "wrong" and demanding that everyone not only pay attention to what you have to say but that they damn well better agree with you as well!
Not proof, that is your opinion. I want proof.

I can not believe that you have the gull to say that, Your rantings and threats of "I;m leaving" only to come back and belch out more of the same old crap, neo con this, nazi that. You are living in a dream world where your own views are sercomsanct. All else is hogwash.

I have apologised to anyone that I have unjustly critised or attacked. You can not claim the same. I attempt to have an open and frank discussion, you can not claim the same. Your mind is made up before the end of the OP.

I have asked Juan twice now for what we should do know that Kyoto is dead. He has chosen to ignore that, because his dislike of my position, I guess.

I originally asked you to clarify your position way back in another thread. You chose to go around and call me a "Goose stepping" Bear in other threads to other members. And still you think you're the adult. You are nothing more then a spoiled college attending child. A know it all. I know what I know, I have seen more in my 36 years then you will likely see in a life time. And I thank gawd for that, even though I am not fond of your position, that you never see the things I have seen.
 

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I agree with your analysis but would ask; Who must bear the greatest responsibility for the delay of action to address these issues? Is it the general population unwilling to exercise self-discipline or is it, wealthy industrial empires exercising their influence on government and through media?
 

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First off the Kyo... OH forget it, I've smashed the Kyoto accord in two threads now, it is flawed, there has to be a better plan, the clean air act is a really small start, but thank gawd it wasn't that rag kyoto.

Go read the an inconvenient truth thread.

I never said the Kyoto accord was the best idea in the world. I'm saying, why doesn't Stephen Harper go to this summit and explain to the European leaders why his "Made in Canada" solution is so much better? If his plan is so great, maybe he can convince others to do the same. Maybe he can convince them that Kyoto is flawed (if it is indeed flawed). If he had "cojones", that's what he would do, instead of avoiding them all together. It does give the appearance that he is afraid of some European leaders.
 

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Not proof, that is your opinion. I want proof.

I can not believe that you have the gull to say that, Your rantings and threats of "I;m leaving" only to come back and belch out more of the same old crap, neo con this, nazi that. You are living in a dream world where your own views are sercomsanct. All else is hogwash.

I have apologised to anyone that I have unjustly critised or attacked. You can not claim the same. I attempt to have an open and frank discussion, you can not claim the same. Your mind is made up before the end of the OP.

I have asked Juan twice now for what we should do know that Kyoto is dead. He has chosen to ignore that, because his dislike of my position, I guess.

I originally asked you to clarify your position way back in another thread. You chose to go around and call me a "Goose stepping" Bear in other threads to other members. And still you think you're the adult. You are nothing more then a spoiled college attending child. A know it all. I know what I know, I have seen more in my 36 years then you will likely see in a life time. And I thank gawd for that, even though I am not fond of your position, that you never see the things I have seen.

I indicated to you that if you wished to discuss those issues I'd be happy to discuss them via PM and your efforts to involve the "mod" in hopes that somone will ban me for what I have to say is evidence in and of itself....
 

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I never said the Kyoto accord was the best idea in the world. I'm saying, why doesn't Stephen Harper go to this summit and explain to the European leaders why his "Made in Canada" solution is so much better? If his plan is so great, maybe he can convince others to do the same. Maybe he can convince them that Kyoto is flawed (if it is indeed flawed). If he had "cojones", that's what he would do, instead of avoiding them all together. It does give the appearance that he is afraid of some European leaders.
Point made, point taken.

I will concede that, that may be the reason for his cancelation, but I still feel that there is no need to explain ourselves to the EU. I we wish to share the "Clean Air " act with them, then send it in a memo.
 

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I indicated to you that if you wished to discuss those issues I'd be happy to discuss them via PM and your efforts to involve the "mod" in hopes that somone will ban me for what I have to say is evidence in and of itself....
No I was pointing out what was pointed out to me by a mod. Your whining about it as you have whined about me, surely says volumes about you.

I tried to discuss this issue with you, and you danced like a Russian Ballerina. You have all the integrady of tinsil.

I will stand by my assertions, facts and views. I will defend them in the open. I have no need to run and hide, or skirt around. I know how you feel about me, I could care less. Your private messages were a hit with the people I shared them with. They are extremely telling about you as a person and a member here. You would have been an excellent member of Hitlers SS. No other view is as perfect as yours. No other people are as perfect as you. Challenge that and I will post your PM's in their entirety. And prove your hate and loathing of the not so well educated.
 

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