“Please Allow Me to Retort.”
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As an American I can say that we have gone in there with no true plan. That is our leaders fault. The reason why we are in Iraq WMDs) is B.S. If we were worried about the WMDs we would have hit Iran, North Korea, instead of going for an oil pipeline. The jury is still out on 911. TOOOOOOO many questions have arose.
---the project man
There was a plan, the problem is that there was also unknowns. Lots of unknowns, could have it been planned better?
How would we know for sure, we don't have the facts that the Governments have?
Well I guess they did not have the correct facts. NOT!
The government has been working in the region for over 40 years. The government was the backer of the BATH patry and the desiding factor in its triumph.
This same government also aided Osama, and in doing so was the desiding factor in his glory and fame as a local hero.
Here is the plan they drew-upà
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,940054,00.html
Israel seeks pipeline for Iraqi oil
US discusses plan to pump fuel to its regional ally and solve energy headache at a stroke
Ed Vuillamy in Washington
Sunday April 20, 2003
The Observer
Plans to build a pipeline to siphon oil from newly conquered Iraq to Israel are being discussed between Washington, Tel Aviv and potential future government figures in Baghdad.
The plan envisages the reconstruction of an old pipeline, inactive since the end of the British mandate in Palestine in 1948, when the flow from Iraq's northern oilfields to Palestine was re-directed to Syria.
Now, its resurrection would transform economic power in the region, bringing revenue to the new US-dominated Iraq, cutting out Syria and solving Israel's energy crisis at a stroke.
It would also create an end less and easily accessible source of cheap Iraqi oil for the US guaranteed by reliable allies other than Saudi Arabia - a keystone of US foreign policy for decades and especially since 11 September 2001.
Until 1948, the pipeline ran from the Kurdish-controlled city of Mosul to the Israeli port of Haifa, on its northern Mediterranean coast.
The revival of the pipeline was first discussed openly by the Israeli Minister for National Infrastructures, Joseph Paritzky, according to the Israeli newspaper Ha'aretz .
The paper quotes Paritzky as saying that the pipeline would cut Israel's energy bill drastically - probably by more than 25 per cent - since the country is currently largely dependent on expensive imports from Russia.
US intelligence sources confirmed to The Observer that the project has been discussed. One former senior CIA official said: 'It has long been a dream of a powerful section of the people now driving this administration [of President George W. Bush] and the war in Iraq to safeguard Israel's energy supply as well as that of the United States.
'The Haifa pipeline was something that existed, was resurrected as a dream and is now a viable project - albeit with a lot of building to do.'
The editor-in-chief of the Middle East Economic Review , Walid Khadduri, says in the current issue of Jane's Foreign Report that 'there's not a metre of it left, at least in Arab territory'.
To resurrect the pipeline would need the backing of whatever government the US is to put in place in Iraq, and has been discussed - according to Western diplomatic sources - with the US-sponsored Iraqi National Congress and its leader Ahmed Chalabi, the former banker favoured by the Pentagon for a powerful role in the war's aftermath.
Sources at the State Department said that concluding a peace treaty with Israel is to be 'top of the agenda' for a new Iraqi government, and Chalabi is known to have discussed Iraq's recognition of the state of Israel.
The pipeline would also require permission from Jordan. Paritzky's Ministry is believed to have approached officials in Amman on 9 April this year. Sources told Ha'aretz that the talks left Israel 'optimistic'.
James Akins, a former US ambassador to the region and one of America's leading Arabists, said: 'There would be a fee for transit rights through Jordan, just as there would be fees for Israel from those using what would be the Haifa terminal.
'After all, this is a new world order now. This is what things look like particularly if we wipe out Syria. It just goes to show that it is all about oil, for the United States and its ally.'
Akins was ambassador to Saudi Arabia before he was fired after a series of conflicts with then Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, father of the vision to pipe oil west from Iraq. In 1975, Kissinger signed what forms the basis for the Haifa project: a Memorandum of Understanding whereby the US would guarantee Israel's oil reserves and energy supply in times of crisis.
Kissinger was also master of the American plan in the mid-Eighties - when Saddam Hussein was a key US ally - to run an oil pipeline from Iraq to Aqaba in Jordan, opposite the Israeli port of Eilat.
The plan was promoted by the now Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, and the pipeline was to be built by the Bechtel company, which the Bush administration last week awarded a multi-billion dollar contract for the reconstruction of Iraq.
The memorandum has been quietly renewed every five years, with special legislation attached whereby the US stocks a strategic oil reserve for Israel even if it entailed domestic shortages - at a cost of $3 billion (£1.9bn) in 2002 to US taxpayers.
This bill would be slashed by a new pipeline, which would have the added advantage of giving the US reliable access to Gulf oil other than from Saudi Arabia.
I have noticed this blame -game and it happens historically in every situation of war. However it only works for the enemy, who gets nothing but an advantage if troops are withdrawn.
Funny how you did not quote this part of my statement
I would like to see happen:
1) An ass kicking Democrat in the White House. (Wish I had a Law Degree instead of Engineering)
2) More troops, lets get it over with and get out. Without a grand and awing exit we are just screwing the pooch on this one.
Right now, the terrorists would be thrilled if Bush doesn't get back in.
Presidential Biography President George W. Bush is the 43rd President of the United States and was sworn in for a
second term on January 20, 2005.
www.whitehouse.gov/president
Unless bush is planning to change the term rule too, he will definitely be out.
The pipeline crap is always brought up by those who want to avoid the reality of the situation.
You might as well throw in the opium, because that is another factor.
You said it, I didn’t!
So here we have a bunch of irrational fanatics that have declared war on NATO, and have the money to buy weapons of mass destruction. And have the irrational violence of so called 'HOLY SCRIPTURES' to brainwash children to become more fanatical terrorists.
Harkens back to some of the unforeseen problems in the area?
repeating myself, ugh.
The government has been working in the region for over 40 years. The government was the backer of the BATH party and the deciding factor in its triumph.
This same government also aided Osama, and in doing so was the deciding factor in his glory and fame as a local hero.
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The Jury is out on 9/11?
What planet are you living on???????????
Unfortunately the same one as the rest of us, that is of course till my ship returns!
All the hooky conspiracy theories is OLD NEWS and brought on by those who supported the terrorists, proven abundantly without any substance, and in fact make no sense
1) Go see LOOSE CHANGE. http://www.loosechange911.com/ and raise your head up from within the flock of sheep in which you are smothered in.
2) Read a PHYSICS book on gravity. Then time the fall of all (3) buildings.
3) I altered some of our quotes by correcting our misspellings.
