Anti-war crowd are demoralizing our troops.

[northstar]

As the global threats are growing, Canadians' need to recognize that freedom within a country doesn't just happen, it is earned.
The freedom and our amazing social structure is envyed internationally, but it has been earned by the sacrifices of many.
It was earned by defending what we felt was right, even when we knew that the cost would be high.

And it was built on the noble and courageuos thousands who pushed forward, even when there was little food, the weather was below zero, their firends and comrades were tortured and thrown into labour camps or worse.

Look at our history, and you will see the leaders of all wars were criticized and hated, yet they persevered and now in history books they are honored as fathers of our country.

The reality is that the North Korean's are lead by a tyrant, who seems terrorified by anyone who is percieved to not 100% back him.
While the humanitarian aid is protesting the sanctions by saying their will be starvation, they are not telling the world about the current starvation, slavery, torture, and murder, the current starvation and mutilation, all within North Korea. This is a gathering of three generations of anyone who has slighted the leader, and a slight could be not dusting his picture.

The country of North Korea is a false facade of decency, when it is truly indecent. And now they have polluted the air of South Korea with Radiation [as reported today]. And Crazy Kim is refusing to answer to the the USA.So now Crazy Kim is talking to China, Russia , and a few others. Given the track record of this dictator l can't see him allow anything or anyone taking away his toy...the magic key to ruling the world.

The second threat is Iran, the highly irrational rush for mass genocide, by Prez Mad-Max ARMIGETTIN".
In his feverish rush to get the nuclear missle completed, he is being slowly approached by the ever-useless UN...

Iran wants to HELP the middle-east terror network, with the money-filled drug lords, and the oil-rich silent backers, so theat they have a stash of nuclear warheads...

So while the world is engaging in World War Three, how exactly does Canada not participate?
And how exactly does Canadians justify NOT backing our troops?

These nit-wits who are protesting war are in fact in denial of the situation. One they take the time to examine the way the war is being declared on the entire free world l wonder what will happen to the protest?

The question is what is the protest about, because looking at the facts, you can protest against stopping Crazy Kim from blowing our world to smitherine's, and just allow it to happen.

Or you can protest the fact that we are stopping our world from being terrorized, and just allow the Muslims' to preach hate in our community mosques, and allow it to grow, like it did in Toronto in the summer, and allow these Jihad to plan and execute a mass murder in Downtown Toronto.

And allow our airlines to be hijacked and people murdered, allow the bombings of transit systems, allow our world to be held hostage by a few irrational fanatics in the name of Allah.

Or you can protest the fact that we are stopping our world from suffering under the irrational hatred of Iran, that is behind genocide of Jews and Christians, and is also positioning itself to massively murder and destroy our country.

So when you don't back the significant contribution to World War Three, you are in fact either denying the situation and the threat, or you acknowledge the situation and are backing the terrorists that are trying to destroy our world.

 

[catman]

Or you can protest the fact that we are stopping our world from being terrorized, and just allow the Muslims' to preach hate in our community mosques, and allow it to grow, like it did in Toronto in the summer, and allow these Jihad to plan and execute a mass murder in Downtown Toronto.

And how does Canada fighting in Afghanistan prevent such attacks? It doesn't.

So while the world is engaging in World War Three, how exactly does Canada not participate?
And how exactly does Canadians justify NOT backing our troops?

World War Three? This rhetoric is outdated even for neo-cons.

Or you can protest the fact that we are stopping our world from suffering under the irrational hatred of Iran, that is behind genocide of Jews and Christians,

They are?

and is also positioning itself to massively murder and destroy our country.

They are?

 

[Colpy]

And how does Canada fighting in Afghanistan prevent such attacks? It doesn't.

Simple really.

The Taliban provided protection and aid to terrorist groups, and supported their establishment of training areas in that country.

Allow the Taliban to re-take Afghanistan, and those training areas will be re-established............then the next group that wants to do a mass killing for Allah in TO will actually be trained, competent, ans suitably armed..........

As for the world war three comment, the war against Islofascism seems to me to be going on all over the world..........thus this is world war three, it is just not a conventional war.

 

[wallyj]

If this war is all about making money for bush's oil buddies,can someone tell me how putting money in OPEC's pockets benefits George?

 

[wallyj]

Actually,don't bother. I don't have the patience for the anti-american crap anymore. See you all later.Take care and I might catch a few of you on the flip-side.

 

[catman]

Simple really.

The Taliban provided protection and aid to terrorist groups, and supported their establishment of training areas in that country


Allow the Taliban to re-take Afghanistan, and those training areas will be re-established............then the next group that wants to do a mass killing for Allah in TO will actually be trained, competent, ans suitably armed..........

Those arrested in Toronto were part homegrown movement. They did not receive any training in the Middle East. This war in Afghanistan is not going to protect Canada anymore than the failed war in Iraq has made American safer. According to the National Security Estimate it has proven to create more terrorists.

Plus, how are the Taliban supposed to get from there to here? If there are concerns about this spend the money on domesitc security instead.

As for the world war three comment, the war against Islofascism seems to me to be going on all over the world..........thus this is world war three, it is just not a conventional war.

How can it be a world war when 99% of the world is sitting out?

 

[Colpy]

Those arrested in Toronto were part homegrown movement. They did not receive any training in the Middle East. This war in Afghanistan is not going to protect Canada anymore than the failed war in Iraq has made American safer. According to the National Security Estimate it has proven to create more terrorists.

Plus, how are the Taliban supposed to get from there to here? If there are concerns about this spend the money on domesitc security instead.

Correct. They did not get training in Afghanistan, That is why they were so incompetent.

Iraq had nothing to do with 9-11. As glad as I was to see Hussein go, to hook it to 9-11 was silly.

We have the longest coastline on earth. How the hell do you stop ANYONE from coming here, if they have determination, training, and resources?

Sorry, I won't have my behaviour, or the actions of my country, dictated or changed because of threats from lunatics.

 

[catman]

They could just as easily get training in Pakistan or Saudi Arabia like the London bombers did. Unless we truly want a world war there is nothing we can do about all terrorist training centres in the ME.

Sorry, I won't have my behaviour, or the actions of my country, dictated or changed because of threats from lunatics.

Madrid was bombed because of their participation in the Iraq war. Something the majority of the public had always been against. They then did the right thing and withdrew their forces from the country. I don't consider it to be cowardly but more about common sense.

 

[northstar]

Catman, what kind of cat-food are you eating, obviously you have quite the peaceful little lets-bury-our-head-in-the-sand world, because it doesn't reflect the reality of the situation.

Here is the truth about toronto, and the Mosque admitted that they were allowing visiting Prophets to recruit, pass out cd's and propaganda, fund raise and preach the 'faith' in which all good Muslims are called to the Jihad Terrorists network, aka murder in the name of ALLAH.

Here is the Toronto situation,

Plot suspects appear in court
<H4 class=lastupdated>Last Updated: Saturday, June 3, 2006 | 9:58 PM ET </H4><H5 class=byline>CBC News </H5>
Security was tight in Brampton, Ont., on Saturday as court appearances began for 15 of the 17 people arrested and accused of planning a series of attacks against targets in southern Ontario.
In all, 12 men and five youths were arrested on Friday. Officials have alleged they were supporters of al-Qaeda.

Later it was discovered that this happened through a neighbourhood Mosque.

The charges allege that the men knowingly participated in a terrorist group and either received or provided terrorist training in Toronto, nearby Mississauga, Fort Erie and Ramara Township, located on the shores of Lake Simcoe in central Ontario's cottage county.

The RCMP have proof of the locations of the training..

"This group holds a real and serious intent," RCMP Assistant Commissioner Mike McDonell told reporters.
"Our investigation prevented the assembly of any bombs and attacks from being carried out," he said.
McDonell said Canada "is not immune to the threat of terrorism," but declined to answer questions about the intended targets. However, he said Toronto's public transit system was not one of them.
Bill Blair, Toronto's police chief, told CBC News that officials had gathered information about dates chosen for the attacks, but he, too, refused to provide details.

This has happened in London, starting off slowly, but now finally acknowledged as a underground terrorist network.

Ammonium nitrate seized
Police also said they seized about three tonnes of the commonly used fertilizer ammonium nitrate. Just one-third of that amount of ammonium nitrate was used in the bombing of a U.S. federal building in Oklahoma City that killed 168 people in 1995.
Officers fanned out across the Toronto area to make the arrests. They later delivered the suspects to the Durham Regional Police Station in Pickering, east of Toronto. Police officers stood guard on the street and around the building, many holding their weapons in plain sight.
All of the suspects are residents of Canada and most are Canadian citizens of various backgrounds, officials said.
"Our information is that they participated in training all together," McDonell said.
"For various reasons, they appear to have become adherents of a violent ideology inspired by al-Qaeda," said Luc Portelance, assistant director of operations for the Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS).

Does this sink in as a planned attack yet?

"We are a target because of who we are and how we live, our society, our diversity and our values," Prime Minister Stephen Harper said in Ottawa.
"Their alleged target was Canada: Canadian institutions, the Canadian economy, the Canadian people."
Harper also praised the agencies involved in identifying and arresting the suspects.
"Today, Canada's security and intelligence measures worked," Harper.
"The good news is that the RCMP and CSIS and the Toronto police were aware of it, were monitoring it, and were able to apprehend the people involved before they acted," Toronto Mayor David Miller told CBC News.
Miller said he had been briefed "for a number of months" about the investigation.
"I was extremely concerned about the potential existence of this organization," he said.

there is a lot more you need to look up this topic on the internet then say that we shouldn't be involved with some real proof, not a bunch of mis-infomation and wishful thinking.

 

[northstar]

I think we should send 'IS-HASBEEN-A-LADDIN" an invitation to Jesus Camp,

he can be saved!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[CDNBear]

Forget it northstar, it's no use. If we are attacked, it will be the fault of our involvement in the war, if we weren't in Afghanistan and we got attacked, it would still be the fault of the governemnt, because they didn't go into Afghanistan when asked by NATO to do so.

The hypocrits abound and are never satisfied, so why bother wasting your time, energy and breath.

I'm going back to watching South Park, the story line and characters are deeper then the anti crowd here.

 

[gopher]

These trends have nothing to do with the war.



"Trends" are an oversimplification. If you bothered to read conservative Republican Phillips's book you would see that Bush's war, and the rest of his policies, are about oil profits. His tax cuts and other forms of corporate welfare add to those profits as Phillips wrote. Huge writeoffs, preference items, oil depletion allowances, and accelerated depreciation, among others are forms of welfare that only the wealthy enjoy. The conservative writer talks about a few of them in his book and it is well worth reading (though admittedly, it's a bit difficult at times).

As a former IRS agent who worked in the tax shelter unit, I know a thing or two about oil tax shelters. Therefore, I can readily affirm that what he wrote is the truth - one that you and the war apologists don't want to admit to but one that you cannot refute.

But let's get back to that anti-war crowd "demoralizing" the troops -- as you know the vast majority of American and Canadian patriots oppose Bush's war. In a democracy, the will of the majority must be honored. Therefore, continuing Bush's criminal war of barbaric treason is a violation of the trust that is granted by the majority. Don't know if this conforms with Canada's constitution and legality but I can assure you it violates ours.

Therefore, we the patriotic majority are in the right in this conflict. Anything else is unpatriotic.

 

[northstar]

Gopher, you have to stop polluting your brain with that trailer trash gossip-rag, can't-get-a-life-but-l'll-make'somethin'-up-CRAP...

I'm going to find some SOUTHPARK stuff on t.v. it might be a higher quality than the goobly-goop here, but keep it coming Goph, it is amusing...

 

[Sassylassie]

What ever happened to the good ole days when reading a book, a paper, a study, a book? Now the children scream if I can't google it it's not true, they throw down their sookies and rip off their diapers and scream lies and more damn lies. I'm so glad a I'm old enough to know what a book is.

Wallyj get your ass back here, you always post great post. I'm not anti-US in fact I thank god they are always there for Canada and it's Military. The Liberals gutted our Military to reflect their values, what I'm not sure "Do we cheat the public and how" seems to be the message I got. Without the US Canada couldn't even provide Peace Keeping, how do the Peaceniks think we arrived in Bosnia, Somalia, and Rawanda? The US got us there. They have no idea the damage they have done, none. We can't even provide peace keeping without the US Air Support, does this bother them? Hell no, they'd rather pontificate their lack of knowledge than deal with facts.

 

[BitWhys]

Well put.
Far to often the issue of support comes down to this side vs. that side and all the assinine rethoris that goes with that. But at the end of th eday, the original mission was a sound notion, just poorly planned. That however, does not negate the efforts and ideals that went into the elimination of a key training ground for individuals, hell bent on scaring the world into placating the mindset of those that wish to have America pay for errors, or have the general populus, bow to a one world god.

actually I was talking about the humanitarian/human rights angle

 

[Toro]

These trends have nothing to do with the war.



"Trends" are an oversimplification. If you bothered to read conservative Republican Phillips's book you would see that Bush's war, and the rest of his policies, are about oil profits. His tax cuts and other forms of corporate welfare add to those profits as Phillips wrote. Huge writeoffs, preference items, oil depletion allowances, and accelerated depreciation, among others are forms of welfare that only the wealthy enjoy. The conservative writer talks about a few of them in his book and it is well worth reading (though admittedly, it's a bit difficult at times).

As a former IRS agent who worked in the tax shelter unit, I know a thing or two about oil tax shelters. Therefore, I can readily affirm that what he wrote is the truth - one that you and the war apologists don't want to admit to but one that you cannot refute.

I'll tell you this, I have heard Phillips on a number of occassions talking about his theses - usually on NRP. Some I agree with, such as his criticism that fundamental Christianity is playing too large a roll in government. But it appears Phillips has little understanding of financial and economic history (or even the basics of both disciplines at times), and does not seem to comprehend the context in which today's policies are set in economic history.

For example, you talk about the all the accelerated charges business was given under this administration. This was given to many industries, not just energy, and it was motivated primarily by the collapsing of the Bubble beginning in 2000. The government was deathly afraid that the after-effects of the Bubble's collapse would plunge America into a deflationary depression, similair to Japan since 1991. The government wanted to encourage capital spending. A great way to do that is to lower the cost of capital. This was a far more important reason than Bush paying off his buddies - of which I have no doubt he was intent on doing anyways.

That's the problem with guys like Phillips and many of the critics of this administration. They see only nefarious motivations at the White House. Has this administration screwed up? Yup. Is it steeped in cronyism. Yup. Are they paying off their backers? Of course. All politicians do this. Its only a matter of degree.

"'Trends' are an oversimplification." Of course it is. This is a message board. But the primary driver of what has been occurring is economic, and has nothing to do with this government or war. Copper up 600%. Nickel up 600%. Zinc up 500%. As a current participant in the capital markets, I know a thing of two about finance, economics, and at least something about most industries in the US. I see this every single day when I come to work. The reason why the Majors are earnings $5-$10 billion each quarter is not because of "tax breaks". Its because oil was at $75.

Since you like books, here is one where the author predicted this would happen before anyone knew who George W Bush was.

 

[northstar]

But let's get back to that anti-war crowd "demoralizing" the troops -- as you know the vast majority of American and Canadian patriots oppose Bush's war. In a democracy, the will of the majority must be honored. Therefore, continuing Bush's criminal war of barbaric treason is a violation of the trust that is granted by the majority. Don't know if this conforms with Canada's constitution and legality but I can assure you it violates ours.

--the gopher

This is a truck load of mis-informtion that is self-serving to the terrorists who are feeding this crap to the western world in the hope that confidence will crack the countries, and that troops will be pulled out during this critical time.

It is part of the propagada anti-government bloggers war to get people confused and full of mis-information.

It is in fact quite the opposite, and it isn't BUSH'S war, it is the WORLD's War numero THREE, and the U.S.and CANADA ENTERED when the terrorist attack on North America and NATO was launch, celebrated and claimed by a world wide terrorist Jihad Muslim organization that justifies it's actions on HOLY SCRIPTURES written by a demented irrational and perverted tyrant.

 

[Sassylassie]

I figure if someone in the Military reads this particular thread they won't be demoralized for long, the blathering of some of the posters resembles the Extremists propaganda that our troops are fighting. It will strenghten their resolve to complete their mission not abort.

 

[catman]

Catman, what kind of cat-food are you eating, obviously you have quite the peaceful little lets-bury-our-head-in-the-sand world, because it doesn't reflect the reality of the situation.

Here is the truth about toronto, and the Mosque admitted that they were allowing visiting Prophets to recruit, pass out cd's and propaganda, fund raise and preach the 'faith' in which all good Muslims are called to the Jihad Terrorists network, aka murder in the name of ALLAH.

My point again is that the war in Afghanistan will not do anything to discourage homegrown terrorist cells. If anything it just increases the chance. Domestic policies can only take care of that.

 

[gopher]

Gopher, you have to stop polluting your brain with that trailer trash gossip-rag, can't-get-a-life-but-l'll-make'somethin'-up-CRAP...

I'm going to find some SOUTHPARK stuff on t.v. it might be a higher quality than the goobly-goop here, but keep it coming Goph, it is amusing...

Kevin Phillips - the greatest strategist in Republican party politics during the 20 th century - is "crap"?

Note how northstar offers nothing in the way of constructivism in order to attempt to discredit my earlier post. All he does is insult the message without anything of substance to back up his claim.

Why? Because he knows my message is correct.

Thank you for the validation.