Anti-war crowd are demoralizing our troops.

[BitWhys]

...Where is Johnny Utah when we need him...I liked his no-nonesense posts that kept you guys struggling for proof....

For all we know he's posting from behind a proxy server somewhere continuing to ignore inconvenient truths under a new screen name. His kind usually does.

Since its proven too difficult for you follow any other way here's the link to the Globe and Mail article catman was referring to and here's the first three paragraphs...

KANDAHAR, AFGHANISTAN — More Canadian soldiers will be killed but the cost in blood must be paid in Afghanistan unless Canadians want to fight Islamic jihadists at home, Brigadier-General David Fraser said yesterday as he prepared to hand over command of NATO and Canadian forces in war-torn southern Afghanistan.

His comments came as Canada has begun to consider increasing its contributions of military hardware, such as buying protective gear for Afghanistan's police force, as well as readying tanks, helicopters and CF-18 fighter jets for possible use in the country.

"I don't want my sons to be doing what I'm doing here on the shores of Canada," the general said in an interview.

 

[ottawabill]

Colpy's got it right---it is all the war on Terror?

Why do l have to keep teaching you guys EVERYTHING?

You mess-up qoutes, and l have to get the REAL ones from the REAL source for you?

Then you follow me around like kiddies in a school yard whining "WHY' Why"....

Has anyone notice that the arguements of the anti-war crowd just widdle down to ONE-LINERS and -PERSONAL ATTACKS after the inital one ore possibly, at the most two paragraphs...

Keep making your statements, by all means, but for heavens sake, bring your sources, your links and your quotes...

Where is Johnny Utah when we need him...I liked his no-nonesense posts that kept you guys struggling for proof....

PERFECT!! AND OH SO TRUE!!

These guys never seem to think for themselves...but rather it's whatever the organic group-o-the day tell them...Some left wingnut will say "studies show time and time again" then you start hearing it out of all their mouths. Usually not knowing anything about the said study..then it's folowed by "on the backs of the workers"

Same thoughts over and over!!

I have no proplem with count opinions to mine....but get your own thoughts...Please...get the details...be your own person and say what YOU mean...

Following is such a Canadian trait...pitty

 

[BitWhys]

gotcha

 

[thomaska]

You must have overlooked Thomaska's comments about U.S. soldiers for some reason. You accept them to be "our troops" mayhaps? That would certainly explain why you're not asking HIM why he's off topic instead of simply jumping on gopher.

My post was a response to someone else's garbage post about a few malcontents who are bitching and moaning about having to go do what they signed up to do voluntarily. I'll give the malcontents this at least, they went and did what they signed up to do, and didn't desert and hide behind Canadian skirts, begging for asylum.

 

[northstar]

johnny utah got kicked off because cosmos didn't like him...

 

[BitWhys]

boo ****ing hoo

 

[Karlin]

- a better way to demoralise troops would be to remind them that they are in Afghanistan now because they didn't study hard enough in school. Thanks for that one John Kerry.

No solider will ever go to heaven. That one might work also.

If only we could convince all the soldiers that they are not valued then perhaps certain leaders could not raise an army to do illegal invasions and immoral occupations of soveriegn nations.

but NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.... the warmongers raking in those huge profits of war will just not have it, so the ire is turnd to the pacifists and people who would want to stop global warming and have social programs so people are treated fairly, and attempt to create a beautiful world on a beautiful planet.
but NOOOOOOOOOOO.... they dont mind ruining the planet in their quest of concentrating wealth in a few Elite hands.

Some day, some era in our future, there will be an overthrow of the insecure wealthy warmongering people and we will get our beautifull world that provides enough for all.

 

[Gonzo]

Some people think that when you become a soldier you are automatically a hero. No your not. You have to do something heroic to be a hero, not kill people or get yourself killed.
Whats demoralizing our troops is not opposition to the war. It's that we are loosing the war and our troops are getting killed. We live in a democracy. We are free to oppose our countries actions.

 

[gopher]

Where's JohnyUtah?

Heck, where's Researcher?!

 

[cortex]

A sure fire way to get the troops moral up---is to supply them with huge quantities of dope, acid and pornography.Im organizing a package for them---anyone want to contribute?

 

[CDNBear]

You do realise, that for the very same passions you would all like to negate heroics, and drag our Troops home before the mission is accomplished, is the very same reason why they are there. In the same light, it is the very same reason, I couldn't be prouder of either of my boys if they were old enough and voluteered to go?

btw coterx, what an intellegent idea, please make sure to post a return address on that, OK?

 

[cortex]

You do realise, that for the very same passions you would all like to negate heroics, and drag our Troops home before the mission is accomplished, is the very same reason why they are there. In the same light, it is the very same reason, I couldn't be prouder of either of my boys if they were old enough and voluteered to go?

btw coterx, what an intellegent idea, please make sure to post a return address on that, OK?

So far the stuff ive sent has been very well recieved.

 

[cortex]

You do realise, that for the very same passions you would all like to negate heroics, and drag our Troops home before the mission is accomplished, is the very same reason why they are there. In the same light, it is the very same reason, I couldn't be prouder of either of my boys if they were old enough and voluteered to go?

btw coterx, what an intellegent idea, please make sure to post a return address on that, OK?

oh and by the way you keep spelling intelligent wrong--carefull you might end up in the millitary....

 

[CDNBear]

oh and by the way you keep spelling intelligent wrong--carefull you might end up in the millitary....

Ahhh, the last wriggles of death from a completely lost cause, attack spelling.

To late, I did two tours and saw Peace Keeping duty in a couple different theaters. Came away as an NCO and a really good education.

I did something that I and millions of others saw as a way to help change the world for the better.

Other then chastise and mock Troops, what have you done to make the world better?

 

[Gonzo]

No one should mock our troops. But they are not making the world a better place right now. And you're not a hero if you get yourself killed. You're a hero if you save lives. I believe our troops have the best intentions, but this mission isn't for the right reasons, and they will not win. This is a war that no one can win because we don't understand the Arab world. We are invaders in their eyes.
This takes nothing away from the troops. It has to do with planning and leading. As soon as Harper became PM more soldiers have died then the whole mission combined. Why?

 

[CDNBear]

No one should mock our troops. But they are not making the world a better place right now. And you're not a hero if you get yourself killed. You're a hero if you save lives. I believe our troops have the best intentions, but this mission isn't for the right reasons, and they will not win. This is a war that no one can win because we don't understand the Arab world. We are invaders in their eyes.

Gonzo, this is a post from you that I can say, was great. Thanx.

I know you and I have butted heads on this issue in the past. But I must say, beside our offensive, we are in the midsts of rebuilding and contructing a self sustaining infrastructure. That is where we differ from the Russians. They sot only to take and control, we seek to help the Nation regain control and develop a viable society based on common goals. Despite the fact that I do not agree with trying to install democracy, this is in a boarder sence, a valiant mission.

 

[Gonzo]

Thanks Cdnbear. I believe that most soldiers see it that way. But the citizens of Afghanistan dont. It's hard to rebuild a country of which a large amount of people dont want you there. History has shown that it doesn't work when an outside force comes in to change your country, no matter how good your intentions are. Especially muslim nations.
As soon as Canada took over operations more soldiers died. We would be bad citizens of Canada and irresponsible to our troops if we didn't ask why. We have to ask the tough questions. And if the answers are tough to swallow, we should, for the lives of our troops.

 

[CDNBear]

Thanks Cdnbear. I believe that most soldiers see it that way. But the citizens of Afghanistan dont. It's hard to rebuild a country of which a large amount of people dont want you there. History has shown that it doesn't work when an outside force comes in to change your country, no matter how good your intentions are. Especially muslim nations.
As soon as Canada took over operations more soldiers died. We would be bad citizens of Canada and irresponsible to our troops if we didn't ask why. We have to ask the tough questions. And if the answers are tough to swallow, we should, for the lives of our troops.

Absolutely, I do like to hear the answers to those tough questions, but they are few and far between.

 

[BitWhys]

You do realise, that for the very same passions you would all like to negate heroics, and drag our Troops home before the mission is accomplished, is the very same reason why they are there...

should I even bother with the "Layton doesn't want them to get out and stay out" angle again? that particular truth seems to have a half-life of about a page with those who don't want to hear it.

 

[CDNBear]

should I even bother with the "Layton doesn't want them to get out and stay out" angle again? that particular truth seems to have a half-life of about a page with those who don't want to hear it.

I actually wasn't referring to the OP, but the seeming concensus in the anti position. I hear a lot of bring them home now, but then what. Afghanistan would be worse off. Not that I agree with bringing them home in the first place.

I heard it, I understand his position. I don't nesseccarily agree with it, his tone, or his assertion to our Troops as war criminals. It only tarnishes his credablity. Not that I thought he had any to begin with. Don't get me started on his wife either. Police services board cow!LOL