The Donroe Doctrine

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Secretary of State Marco Rubio on Thursday sanctioned five Cuban entities and eight individuals with ties to Havana’s military procurement as the Trump administration ramps up efforts to rearrange the country’s communist government system (?).
Once a byword for joyful excess, Havana has been hollowed by blackouts, departures and deep uncertainty about its future.

There are so few cars in Cuba's capital that it is possible to cross the Malecon, the once bustling seafront promenade, without looking.

At night, the narrow cobbled streets of Old Havana are enveloped in inky black, devoid of power and virtually deserted.

After a seven-month-long US fuel embargo and rolling power cuts, locals joke that they are sick of seeing the stars.
 

Ron in Regina

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Trump has decided to ignore international law by blowing up boats in the Caribbean, installing friendly puppets who will allow the U.S. to seize their resources and is now attempting to use economic coercion to try to force Canada to give up its sovereignty and accept a status as a kind of 21st century vassal state. None of that has redounded to America’s benefit. Instead, Trump’s hubris has made the country an international pariah.

Perhaps the U.S. and Canada will come to some agreement in the coming days and avert more economic upheaval. But it would only be a temporary ceasefire. The battle lines have been drawn, and America is not the good guy in this war. Trump has turned the entire world against the country, including its closest neighbors. Now, America is less safe and economically secure than it has been in a very long time.

In December 2025, the administration turned his rage against Greenland and Canada into official policy. The 2025 National Security Strategy was called “Western Hemisphere: The Trump Corollary to the Monroe Doctrine,” but it went much farther than the 1823 policy, which had simply held that the U.S. would not allow European powers to colonize any countries in the hemisphere. The Trump Corollary, which right-wing media dubbed the “Donroe Doctrine,” directly asserted American regional hegemony and dominance. Announcing the policy, the president said, “Under the Trump administration, we are reasserting American power in a very powerful way in our home region.”

The idea was assumed to address growing Chinese influence in the region. But events of the last few days have proven that Trump and his advisers interpret the doctrine much more broadly. They have made clear that not only does it serve as a threat to competing powers, it also functions as an edict to all the countries in the hemisphere — they are now under American dominance and must adhere to its economic and strategic preferences.
 

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Trump has decided to ignore international law by blowing up boats in the Caribbean, installing friendly puppets who will allow the U.S. to seize their resources and is now attempting to use economic coercion to try to force Canada to give up its sovereignty and accept a status as a kind of 21st century vassal state. None of that has redounded to America’s benefit. Instead, Trump’s hubris has made the country an international pariah.

Perhaps the U.S. and Canada will come to some agreement in the coming days and avert more economic upheaval. But it would only be a temporary ceasefire. The battle lines have been drawn, and America is not the good guy in this war. Trump has turned the entire world against the country, including its closest neighbors. Now, America is less safe and economically secure than it has been in a very long time.

In December 2025, the administration turned his rage against Greenland and Canada into official policy. The 2025 National Security Strategy was called “Western Hemisphere: The Trump Corollary to the Monroe Doctrine,” but it went much farther than the 1823 policy, which had simply held that the U.S. would not allow European powers to colonize any countries in the hemisphere. The Trump Corollary, which right-wing media dubbed the “Donroe Doctrine,” directly asserted American regional hegemony and dominance. Announcing the policy, the president said, “Under the Trump administration, we are reasserting American power in a very powerful way in our home region.”

The idea was assumed to address growing Chinese influence in the region. But events of the last few days have proven that Trump and his advisers interpret the doctrine much more broadly. They have made clear that not only does it serve as a threat to competing powers, it also functions as an edict to all the countries in the hemisphere — they are now under American dominance and must adhere to its economic and strategic preferences.
Scary , we will have to start speaking American .
 

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Trump has decided to ignore international law by blowing up boats in the Caribbean, installing friendly puppets who will allow the U.S. to seize their resources and is now attempting to use economic coercion to try to force Canada to give up its sovereignty and accept a status as a kind of 21st century vassal state. None of that has redounded to America’s benefit. Instead, Trump’s hubris has made the country an international pariah.

Perhaps the U.S. and Canada will come to some agreement in the coming days and avert more economic upheaval. But it would only be a temporary ceasefire. The battle lines have been drawn, and America is not the good guy in this war. Trump has turned the entire world against the country, including its closest neighbors. Now, America is less safe and economically secure than it has been in a very long time.

In December 2025, the administration turned his rage against Greenland and Canada into official policy. The 2025 National Security Strategy was called “Western Hemisphere: The Trump Corollary to the Monroe Doctrine,” but it went much farther than the 1823 policy, which had simply held that the U.S. would not allow European powers to colonize any countries in the hemisphere. The Trump Corollary, which right-wing media dubbed the “Donroe Doctrine,” directly asserted American regional hegemony and dominance. Announcing the policy, the president said, “Under the Trump administration, we are reasserting American power in a very powerful way in our home region.”

The idea was assumed to address growing Chinese influence in the region. But events of the last few days have proven that Trump and his advisers interpret the doctrine much more broadly. They have made clear that not only does it serve as a threat to competing powers, it also functions as an edict to all the countries in the hemisphere — they are now under American dominance and must adhere to its economic and strategic preferences.
I think Mark Carney is a con man!!
 

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Scary , we will have to start speaking American .
I wouldn't doubt if 'redound' is the most researched word trending on the internet.
(Reminds me of when Kim Jong-il had us all looking up 'dotard' towards our better edjumacation)

I'm pretty sure murkins don't talk like that much neither, except maybe in TV series like Deadwood where the dialogue is almost exclusively in poetic parables, while tastefully interspersed with a generous helping of 'cocksucker!'

;?)
 
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The rapid demise of Canada-U.S. official relations, marked by fury in one nation and indifference or bewilderment in the other, suggests there will be no quick reconciliation or return to something resembling normal. In the span of a few days this mercantile dispute – seeded by the new American right-wing agenda to cripple Canada’s sovereignty and stability, make it a vassal state and reap its resources – became an incendiary divorce riven by irreconcilable differences. Canada doesn’t wish to be the next Venezuela.😳

The impacts on Canada will bring historic changes, domestically and internationally. Most Canadians feel Ottawa cannot abide sorting things out in good faith with the likes of Mr. Trump, Vice-President JD Vance and Commerce Secretary, Howard Lutnick. They are fed up with the administration’s insults, vulgar greed and dishonesty – epitomized so aptly by the Gordie Howe Bridge extortion.
Oh yeah, U.S. President Donald Trump on Friday said the U.S. had entered into an oil ‘agreement’ ‌with Venezuela. "At my direction, Secretary of State Marco Rubio, and Secretary of War Pete Hegseth, working closely with Highly Respected Interim asigned President of Venezuela, Delcy Rodriguez, and, through a partnership with private business😉, have secured ⁠majority U.S. control of more than 65 BILLION BARRELS of proven Oil Reserves in Venezuela, at no cost to the American Taxpayer," (ballroom-style) Trump wrote on Truth Social.
Trump said the ‘agreement’ would more than double American oil reserves. Since the U.S. captured and removed the now former President Nicolas Maduro from power in January, Washington has been trying to secure a ‌stable ⁠flow of Venezuelan crude for U.S. refineries while promoting American investment into the OPEC country's deteriorated energy industry, which currently produces some 1.25 million barrels per day of crude which is coincidentally about the amount that Canada ships west to the Pacific for non-American markets at the non-discounted rate.
Sources previously told Reuters that a lease model was under consideration, with fields potentially auctioned to U.S. producers, but the arrangement could face legal and constitutional challenges in Venezuela, where the state (in theory) retains control over core oil industry activities.
(YouTube & Donald Trump warns Delcy Rodríguez as she is sworn in as Venezuelan president)
The U.S. has largely controlled exports of crude oil from the South American nation since snatching Maduro from his home in early January. The news appears to give the Trumpadministration more direct control over the country’s fields, though developing the tar-like deposits of oil and shipping it to the coast for export is likely to take years.

Bloomberg, citing sources familiar with the negotiations, said one deal under discussion was a 100-year lease on several oilfields. The reports caused unease and anger among members of Venezuela’s opposition, who are already up in arms about Trump’s failure to bring about genuine political change after capturing Maduro. The Trump administration has not yet released details on the arrangement, including which oil fields are covered and who will handle drilling.🙄Many view granting majority U.S. control over 65 billion barrels of national oil reserves as a profound compromise of Venezuelan sovereignty.
While technically possessing sovereign veto power, Delcy Rodríguez refusing a deal of this magnitude under active military and economic duress would have likely risked immediate removal (not by Venezuela voters either) or direct confrontation with the United States. President Trump explicitly signaled that Venezuelan leadership under Rodríguez had to cooperate on energy assets or face consequences similar to those faced by Maduro. The art of the Donroe Doctrine deal.

The president posted a picture to his Truth Social account Thursday night labeled “U.S. Territories,” showing the flags of the Federated States of Micronesia and the Marshall Islands along with multiple U.S. territories. The image also included a map of the Strait of Hormuz, labeled “new.”
 

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The rapid demise of Canada-U.S. official relations, marked by fury in one nation and indifference or bewilderment in the other, suggests there will be no quick reconciliation or return to something resembling normal. In the span of a few days this mercantile dispute – seeded by the new American right-wing agenda to cripple Canada’s sovereignty and stability, make it a vassal state and reap its resources – became an incendiary divorce riven by irreconcilable differences. Canada doesn’t wish to be the next Venezuela.😳

The impacts on Canada will bring historic changes, domestically and internationally. Most Canadians feel Ottawa cannot abide sorting things out in good faith with the likes of Mr. Trump, Vice-President JD Vance and Commerce Secretary, Howard Lutnick. They are fed up with the administration’s insults, vulgar greed and dishonesty – epitomized so aptly by the Gordie Howe Bridge extortion.
Oh yeah, U.S. President Donald Trump on Friday said the U.S. had entered into an oil ‘agreement’ ‌with Venezuela. "At my direction, Secretary of State Marco Rubio, and Secretary of War Pete Hegseth, working closely with Highly Respected Interim asigned President of Venezuela, Delcy Rodriguez, and, through a partnership with private business😉, have secured ⁠majority U.S. control of more than 65 BILLION BARRELS of proven Oil Reserves in Venezuela, at no cost to the American Taxpayer," (ballroom-style) Trump wrote on Truth Social.
Trump said the ‘agreement’ would more than double American oil reserves. Since the U.S. captured and removed the now former President Nicolas Maduro from power in January, Washington has been trying to secure a ‌stable ⁠flow of Venezuelan crude for U.S. refineries while promoting American investment into the OPEC country's deteriorated energy industry, which currently produces some 1.25 million barrels per day of crude which is coincidentally about the amount that Canada ships west to the Pacific for non-American markets at the non-discounted rate.
Sources previously told Reuters that a lease model was under consideration, with fields potentially auctioned to U.S. producers, but the arrangement could face legal and constitutional challenges in Venezuela, where the state (in theory) retains control over core oil industry activities.
(YouTube & Donald Trump warns Delcy Rodríguez as she is sworn in as Venezuelan president)
The U.S. has largely controlled exports of crude oil from the South American nation since snatching Maduro from his home in early January. The news appears to give the Trumpadministration more direct control over the country’s fields, though developing the tar-like deposits of oil and shipping it to the coast for export is likely to take years.

Bloomberg, citing sources familiar with the negotiations, said one deal under discussion was a 100-year lease on several oilfields. The reports caused unease and anger among members of Venezuela’s opposition, who are already up in arms about Trump’s failure to bring about genuine political change after capturing Maduro. The Trump administration has not yet released details on the arrangement, including which oil fields are covered and who will handle drilling.🙄Many view granting majority U.S. control over 65 billion barrels of national oil reserves as a profound compromise of Venezuelan sovereignty.
While technically possessing sovereign veto power, Delcy Rodríguez refusing a deal of this magnitude under active military and economic duress would have likely risked immediate removal (not by Venezuela voters either) or direct confrontation with the United States. President Trump explicitly signaled that Venezuelan leadership under Rodríguez had to cooperate on energy assets or face consequences similar to those faced by Maduro. The art of the Donroe Doctrine deal.
Great . MAGA , that is any Presidents job . It should be any Canadian PM Job to Make Canada Greater anything less is incompetence or ideology standing in the way . But hey look at that Trump ( Bush , Reagen Bush Nixon ) holding us back .l
 
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Great . MAGA , that is any Presidents job . It should be any Canadian PM Job to Make Canada Greater anything less is incompetence or ideology standing in the way . But hey look at that Trump ( Bush , Reagen Bush Nixon ) holding us back .l
Canada isn’t trying to make Canada greater by invading and/or annexing through military or economic means Cuba or Venezuela or Greenland or America or Mexico or Botswana. Apples and oranges. Two different things and two different situations here.
 

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Canada isn’t trying to make Canada greater by invading and/or annexing through military or economic means Cuba or Venezuela or Greenland or America or Mexico or Botswana. Apples and oranges. Two different things and two different situations here.
No our esteemed Liberal Government is trying to make Canada part of the EU all the while kissing up to China and further degrading our financial standing . Elbows and asses up .
 
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No our esteemed Liberal Government is trying to make Canada part of the EU all the while kissing up to China and further degrading our financial standing . Elbows and asses up .
Gotta do something as opposed to outright capitulation. If you were in Carney’s shoes at this point, what would you do? Try to diversify knowing that the results are going to be years down the road (?) or bend over and lube up the entire country?

(Trumps rape of Venezuelan resources is gonna take a decade before it really produces, but that that’s Heavy crude similar to the oil sands in Canada and the clock is ticking)

If I was in his shoes, I would be attempting to twin pipelines and rail lines east to west and coast to coast inside of our own borders as quickly as logistically possible…on top of trying to maintain equitable relations with our largest trading partner while trying to diversify as much as possible, so we’re not dictated our politics from a foreign nation.

Dude is getting to sit in the big chair because he came in on a platform of standing up for Canada (I still would’ve voted for Poilievre), and now it’s time to put up or shut up.
 

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Gotta do something as opposed to outright capitulation. If you were in Carney’s shoes at this point, what would you do?
I would never have let it get to this point . First of I would have sent serious negotiators and kept the talks behind closed doors until a deal was found . Second I would actually have wanted a deal not political browny points .
If I recall we were sold a bill of goods that Carney of three passports , primary residence in New York and 92% of his assets in America was best positioned to negotiate this deal , how is that working out for you ? Are we closer now than a year and half ago ? Do we see what is in the proposed bill , or just get a bunch of spin talking points and no actual facts ?
How about hiring a Democrat operative to the third most powerful position in the King’s office Maya Johnson . Do you like an American Democrat having that kind of influence in the PMO ?
Sorry Ron your hatred of Trump blinds you to Canada’s fault in this mess . Elbows up .
 
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So you are agreeing that Carney is playing politics with his gullible bass rather than focusing on a deal .
Of course I am, to a certain extent. Carney is doing both at the same time. It’s not an either/or situation. It’s politics. Carney & Trump both are. Do you see it otherwise?
Carney played to his audience that voted him into office. I voted for Poilievre but that’s neither here nor there.
Carney is the one playing globalist games . If he wanted a deal we would have had one a year ago .
Was there a deal to be had a year ago? I wouldn’t call capitulation like the other 190-ish countries to Trumps threats and ultimatums ‘deals.’
 

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Of course I am, to a certain extent. Carney is doing both at the same time. It’s not an either/or situation. It’s politics. Carney & Trump both are. Do you see it otherwise?


Was there a deal to be had a year ago? I wouldn’t call capitulation like the other 190-ish countries to Trumps threats and ultimatums ‘deals.’
We have no choice , we have to deal , the alternative is bankruptcy . In case you haven’t noticed we have a six thousand kilometre border with the largest economy in the world and 72% or so of our trade is with them . Over the last ten or so years our GDP has risen an incredible .5 % worst in the developed world and without American trade it will drop further .
 
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We have no choice , we have to deal , the alternative is bankruptcy . In case you haven’t noticed we have a six thousand kilometre border
Almost 9000kms & I’m in commercial transport, with 100% of what we haul all coming from US manufacturers into Canada. Down empty and back loaded. I’m very aware.
…with the largest economy in the world and 72% or so of our trade is with them .
Yeah, the only country we are physically connected to and every other market is across an ocean from us. We are uniquely the most vulnerable country to America’s predatory trade practice is under Trump. I’m very very aware of that.
Over the last ten or so years our GDP has risen an incredible .5 % worst in the developed world and without American trade it will drop further .
I too, was here for the last decade of Trudeau. I don’t know if you noticed, but I’m not a big fan of his.

I’m totally against Canadian tariffs on American products (boycotts? Sure. Tariffs? No) because we can’t compete in a retarded trade war in that manner with us being 1/10th the population and 1/13th in scale for economy.
We have no choice , we have to deal
Yes, exactly, we have to deal, not capitulate. We have to deal, not this dollar for dollar stupidity reciprocal tariffs, but dealing is not one side completely unconditionally surrendering to the other. An equitably successful trade deal is traditionally measured by balanced, mutual economic and social growth rather than one-sided surpluses and one sided compromises.
 

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I bet you and your drivers wish you could find backhaul even at a discount . You won find any in a stagnant economy . What ever deal is reached gives entrepreneurs on both sides of the border to facilitate trade as they have always . Trade disputes with the U.S. have been the rule not the exception for as long as I can remember . You can look on both sides of the isle and find protectionists , Trump is nothing new .