Trump (not America) threatens NATO again…
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How about you . I see a bunch of border disputes , but other than WW2 pushing Hitler back to Berlin I don’t see Russian invading Europe with the intention of conquest . That is not the case in the other direction . NATO is nothing more than a big bureaucracy looking for a reason to hang on .
No . I am speaking an uncomfortable truth . Haw haw .
Yes , this whole argument started and comes back to Ukraine and the paper tiger . Without the U.S. NATO is dead .
The decision was even more surprising because troops and equipment had already started to arrive in the country. It sent fresh waves of anxiety through European capitals and inside the Pentagon on Thursday about whether such moves could embolden Russia — and which ally might turn into the next target.
“We had no idea this was coming,” said one of the U.S. officials, adding that European and American officials have spent the last 24 hours on the phone trying to understand the decision and figure out if more surprises are coming.
The move follows Hegseth’s announcement this month that the Pentagon would withdraw 5,000 troops from bases in Germany. But that decision followed through on a threat Trump made after German Chancellor Friedrich Merz said the U.S. was "humiliating" itself with the conflict in Iran.
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The White House referred questions to the Pentagon, which defended the move as a carefully considered process. "The decision to withdraw troops follows a comprehensive, multilayered process that incorporates perspectives from key leaders in [U.S. military in Europe] and across the chain of command," said acting Pentagon press secretary Joel Valdez. "This was not an unexpected, last minute decision?”
“We had no idea this was coming,” said one of the U.S. officials, adding that European and American officials have spent the last 24 hours on the phone trying to understand the decision and figure out if more surprises are coming.
The move follows Hegseth’s announcement this month that the Pentagon would withdraw 5,000 troops from bases in Germany. But that decision followed through on a threat Trump made after German Chancellor Friedrich Merz said the U.S. was "humiliating" itself with the conflict in Iran.
‘No idea it was coming’: Pentagon officials stunned by Hegseth decision on troops in Poland — POLITICO
It wasn’t clear why the Defense secretary issued the order not to send troops on a routine mission to a country the administration refers to as a “model ally.”
If the US Military has no money, what would be cut first?The decision was even more surprising because troops and equipment had already started to arrive in the country. It sent fresh waves of anxiety through European capitals and inside the Pentagon on Thursday about whether such moves could embolden Russia — and which ally might turn into the next target.
“We had no idea this was coming,” said one of the U.S. officials, adding that European and American officials have spent the last 24 hours on the phone trying to understand the decision and figure out if more surprises are coming.
The move follows Hegseth’s announcement this month that the Pentagon would withdraw 5,000 troops from bases in Germany. But that decision followed through on a threat Trump made after German Chancellor Friedrich Merz said the U.S. was "humiliating" itself with the conflict in Iran.
The White House referred questions to the Pentagon, which defended the move as a carefully considered process. "The decision to withdraw troops follows a comprehensive, multilayered process that incorporates perspectives from key leaders in [U.S. military in Europe] and across the chain of command," said acting Pentagon press secretary Joel Valdez. "This was not an unexpected, last minute decision?”‘No idea it was coming’: Pentagon officials stunned by Hegseth decision on troops in Poland — POLITICO
It wasn’t clear why the Defense secretary issued the order not to send troops on a routine mission to a country the administration refers to as a “model ally.”
I’ve no idea & I’m only about a quarter of the way through the video, but if the US alone is 40% of all global military spending, and…
…if the above is accurate, that’s 25% of all global military spending that America can’t account for? Maybe it’s time for a garage sale. Do they make a smaller version of the F18 that I could use as a coffee table?
Donald Trump is disappointed that Nato allies refused to become more actively involved in attacking Iran, the US secretary of state has said, setting up what could become a fraught summit of the alliance in July.
Marco Rubio, meeting with foreign ministers of the military “defence” alliance, emphasised that he expected the rift would be discussed at the July meeting in Ankara, making the summit “one of the more important” in Nato’s 77-year history.
“The president’s views – frankly, disappointment – at some of our Nato allies and their response to our operations in the Middle East, they are well documented,” Rubio said as he arrived for the start of the meeting in Helsingborg.
“That will have to be addressed. That won’t be solved or addressed today. That’s something for the leaders level to discuss,” he said, amid fresh US demands for help in forcing open the strait of Hormuz if peace talks with Iran fail to progress.
Marco Rubio: Trump ‘disappointment’ with Nato will be discussed at summit — Guardian US
Secretary of state suggests July meeting of alliance will be fraught as US demands help in strait of Hormuz
.So how will Trump threaten & coerce a military Defensive alliance like NATO that America is a member of? I think the answer is openly and blatantly, economically and militarily.
Wakie wakie Ron.So how will Trump threaten & coerce a military Defensive alliance like NATO that America is a member of? I think the answer is openly and blatantly, economically and militarily.
The "Greater North America" initiative is a geopolitical security and strategic doctrine unveiled by the U.S. administration. It redefines the Western Hemisphere north of the equator—stretching from Greenland to Ecuador and Alaska to Guyana—as the United States' immediate security perimeter, rather than classifying these regions as part of the Global South. [1, 2, 3]
Core Strategic Focus
- Hemispheric Security: The doctrine, a 21st-century revitalization of the Monroe Doctrine, aims to secure vital maritime choke points (including the Panama Canal) and counter organized crime and drug trafficking.
- Continental Integration: The plan seeks closer economic and security ties between the U.S., Canada, and Mexico to establish a self-sufficient super-bloc to counter global competitors.
- Resource and Supply Chain Control: It prioritizes the control and harmonization of energy resources, supply lines, and industrial production across the continent. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]
Regional Breakdown
- The North (Canada & Greenland): The U.S. looks to consolidate continental defense and secure critical mineral supply chains, which includes pursuing increased military integration and exploring strategic territorial interests in the Arctic.
- Central America & Northern South America: Every nation north of the equator—including countries like Costa Rica, Panama, and Colombia—falls within this redefined zone. The goal here is strict security partnerships, counternarcotics coordination, and controlling migration pressures.
- The South (South of the Equator): Countries south of the equator are expected to take on increased "burden sharing" to defend the South Atlantic and South Pacific, supported by the U.S.. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7]