Iran War. . . USA Up 2-0 in the First Period
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US vice-president JD Vance left Islamabad on Sunday after failing to reach a deal with Iran after a marathon 21 hours of negotiations.
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JD Vance and US delegation leave Pakistan after failing to reach deal with Iran — Guardian US
US vice-president cites shortcomings in peace talks, saying Iran chose not to accept American terms including to not build nuclear weapons
Each side blamed the other for the failure of the 21-hour negotiations to end fighting that has killed thousands, roiled the global economy and sent oil prices soaring since it began more than six weeks ago.
Iran's Parliamentary Speaker Mohammad Baqer Qalibaf, who led his country's delegation along with Foreign Minister Abbas Araqchi, blamed the U.S. for not winning Iran's trust despite his team offering "forward-looking initiatives".
Both the U.S. and Iranian delegations have now left Islamabad to return home, Pakistani sources told Reuters.
The talks, after a ceasefire earlier in the week, were the first direct U.S.-Iranian meeting in more than a decade and the highest-level discussions since the 1979 Islamic Revolution.
Vance said Iran had chosen not to accept American terms, including not to build nuclear weapons.
"We need to see an affirmative commitment that they will not seek a nuclear weapon and they will not seek the tools that would enable them to quickly achieve a nuclear weapon," he said.
"That is the core goal of the president of the United States, and that's what we've tried to achieve through these negotiations."
Iran's semi-official Tasnim news agency said "excessive" U.S. demands had hindered reaching an agreement. Other Iranian media said there was agreement on a number of issues but that the Strait of Hormuz and Iran's nuclear programme were the main points of difference.
These two sides would not have been able to agree on what to have for dinner last night. Pakistan's Foreign Minister Ishaq Dar said it was "imperative" to preserve the two-week ceasefire that was agreed last Tuesday as the sides attempt to wind down a war that began on February 28 with air strikes by the U.S. and Israel on Iran.
Tehran is demanding control of the Strait of Hormuz, payment of war reparations and a ceasefire across the region, including in Lebanon, according to Iranian state TV and officials, as well as the release of its frozen assets abroad.
Tehran also wants to collect transit fees in the Strait of Hormuz.
No reason apparently. Not like anyone except Iran uses or relies on it, like Saudi Arabia who signed that PetroDollar thing in ‘74 in exchange for some promises from America, or the other nations along the Persian (Arabian) Gulf.
Trump's stated goals have shifted
, but as a minimum he wants free passage for global shipping through the strait……and the crippling of Iran's nuclear enrichment programme to ensure it cannot produce an atomic bomb. Tehran has long denied seeking to build a nuclear weapon.
US-Iran peace talks end without a deal as delegations leave Pakistan — Reuters
The U.S. and Iran failed to reach an agreement to end their war despite marathon talks that concluded on Sunday in the Pakistani capital Islamabad, jeopardising a fragile ceasefire.
Israel's ongoing campaign against Iran's Lebanese ally, armed group Hezbollah, threatened to derail the talks before they've even started. Hezbollah is a direct ally and proxy of Iran, while the nation of Lebanon is a country heavily influenced and often compromised by that alliance.
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Pakistan faces a "nightmare scenario" of being caught between its alliance with Saudi Arabia (with whom it shares a mutual defence pact) and its neighbor Iran, potentially forcing it into regional fighting. All U.S. negotiators left Pakistan, leaving no immediate back-channel discussions, though Russia impartially has offered to mediate?
Hezbollah operates as a "state within a state," maintaining its own military force that often supersedes the Lebanese army, and while many Shia Lebanese clerics have ties to Iran, the Lebanese state itself is not a formal member of the Iran-led alliance, and many Lebanese oppose Hezbollah's entanglement with Tehran.
While Hezbollah operates within Lebanon, the Lebanese government itself is not formally allied with Iran, though it faces deep, often forced, influence from Hezbollah. Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu says there is "no ceasefire" when it comes to Hezbollah, but Israel's repeated warning to residents of Beirut's southern suburbs to evacuate has yet to result in any further action.
US President Donald Trump says Israel's action in Lebanon will now be "a little more low key", and the US State Department says direct talks between Israel and Lebanon will take place in Washington next week. Apparently they were not low-key enough (among other things) to satisfy Iranian officials in Islamabad.
The five big sticking points in US-Iran talks — BBC News
Peace talks between the US and Iran are taking place in Pakistan.
Trump says US to start blockading the Strait of Hormuz immediately — Reuters
President Donald Trump on Sunday said the U.S. Navy would immediately start blockading the Strait of Hormuz and would also interdict every vessel in international waters that had paid a toll to Iran.
McKnight explained that the overnight drop was a result of a 14-day ceasefire announced between the U.S. and Iran on Tuesday, which included reopening the Strait of Hormuz (sort of), a narrow waterway in the Middle East that was used to ship 20 per cent of the world’s oil before the joint U.S.-Israel military operation in Iran began in late February.
Gas prices in Toronto drop 13 cents overnight. Here’s when one analyst says prices could stabilize — CTV News
Toronto drivers welcomed a 13-cent drop in gas prices Friday morning, but one energy analyst says it will likely take months before the pain at the pumps brought on by the war in Iran subsides.
Trump made his remarks in a Truth Social post hours after U.S-.Iran peace talks ended without a deal. Trump said the meeting "went well, most points were agreed," (?) but added the two sides had not agreed on Iran's nuclear program.
"Effective immediately, the United States Navy, the Finest in the World, will begin the process of BLOCKADING any and all Ships trying to enter, or leave, the Strait of Hormuz," said Trump, who is strongly opposed to the idea of Iran charging ships a toll to pass through the strait.
"I have also instructed our Navy to seek and interdict every vessel in International Waters that has paid a toll to Iran. No one who pays an illegal toll will have safe passage on the high seas," he said. Good times.
Because US & Israel have only 20% air defense left and Iran has thousands of ballistic missiles and thousands of shaheeds.
It's called the upper hand Ron.
Ok. Now what happens? I’m not even talking about Trump, but all of Irans neighbours that use (also use) the Persian (or Arabian) Gulf? What happens with the mutual defence pact between Pakistan & Saudi Arabia (Pakistan has nukes)? Israel probably has nukes. America and Russia and China definitely have nukes & they’re involved in this in the background.
If Iran lashes out at Turkey, who is a member of NATO, there will be a real actual article 5 situation potentially, & only the second time of this of ever being used aside from after 9/11.
What happens? Buck-O-Barrel happens.
It's Israel who will attack Turkey. Why do you think Trump wants out of NATO?
Pakistan, Saudi Arabia sign mutual defense pact | DW News
Pakistan and Saudi Arabia signed a mutual defense pact, vowing to come to the other's aid if one of them is attacked.#dwnewsshorts For more news go to: http:...
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Because US can't and it makes a triune(YouTube & Pakistan, Saudi Arabia sign mutual defense pact)Pakistan, Saudi Arabia sign mutual defense pact | DW News
Pakistan and Saudi Arabia signed a mutual defense pact, vowing to come to the other's aid if one of them is attacked.#dwnewsshorts For more news go to: http:...
So…With Trumps Blockade on the sort of Blockade…what happens when:
China (37.7%), India (14.7%), South Korea (12.0%), and Japan (10.9%) are the top destinations. Major exporters using this route include Saudi Arabia, Iraq, UAE, Iran, and Kuwait.
When China & India send their own Navies into escort their own tankers out through that strait?
Major Exporting Countries (Originating in the Persian Gulf) according to Visual Capitalist, the primary exporters, often referred to by the IEA – International Energy Agency as relying on this route, are:
- Saudi Arabia (37.2%): Largest exporter, with limited ability to bypass via the East-West pipeline, with the Houthis choking the waterway at the bottom of that pipeline still cutting off India & China.
- Iraq (22.8%): Relies heavily on this route.
- United Arab Emirates (12.9%): Can divert roughly half of its daily exports via the Habshan-Fujairah pipeline.
- Iran (10.6%): Utilizes the strait for exports.
- Kuwait (10.1%): Relies on the strait.
All Trump can do is try to blow smoke up the asses of his now dead MAGA crowd.
He's powerless. He has to kiss Persian ass while petro dollar falls through the floor.
Trump says US to blockade ships crossing Strait of Hormuz | AJ #shorts
US President Donald Trump says the US Navy will immediately blockade the Strait of Hormuz and intercept ships that pay tolls to Iran - after talks in Islamab...
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Trump with his middle of the night toilet tweets on truth social is also saying that other countries aside from America are going to be blockading that Strait without saying who they are. That’s curious all by itself.
Xi will send his navy to control the strait long before Trump gets any control.(YouTube & Trump says US to blockade ships crossing Strait of Hormuz)Trump says US to blockade ships crossing Strait of Hormuz | AJ #shorts
US President Donald Trump says the US Navy will immediately blockade the Strait of Hormuz and intercept ships that pay tolls to Iran - after talks in Islamab...
Trump with his middle of the night toilet tweets on truth social is also saying that other countries aside from America are going to be blockading that Strait without saying who they are. That’s curious all by itself.
The US didn't protect the GCC, they're looking elsewhere now.
India too I’m assuming, & both of them are nuclear powers…even to escort their own ships (tankers & cargo both). India & Pakistan had their recent kerfuffle and Pakistan & Saudi Arabia with their recent mutual defence pact. America blowing their wad of missiles in the last 6-7 weeks that’ll need to be replaced & replenished. I’m assuming Taiwan is also watching this closely…as is Ukraine & Russia…& Russia will make out like a bandit here and has even offered to mediate between Iran and Trump overnight.
Trump has American Forces there now does he not? Not sure how china could beat them there.
The United States has heavily reinforced its military presence across the Middle East outside the immediate Persian Gulf, with over 50,000 troops and significant air and naval assets focused on Iran. Major deployments include carriers in the Arabian Sea, air strike wings in Jordan, and thousands of personnel in Kuwait, Iraq, and Saudi Arabia.
Key U.S. military forces currently outside the Persian Gulf include:
- Naval Forces (Arabian Sea & Region): The USS Abraham Lincoln Carrier Strike Groupand the USS Gerald R. Ford are operating in the Arabian Sea. Numerous destroyers and combat ships are stationed in the Red Sea and Eastern Mediterranean.
- Air Power (Regional Bases):
- Jordan: A major buildup of F-15E Strike Eagle fighters is located at Muwaffaq Salti Air Base.
- Qatar: Al Udeid Air Base hosts advanced air defense systems (Patriot and THAAD) and aircraft, alongside allied RAF Typhoon jets.
- Turkey: Incirlik Air Base remains a major hub.
- Ground and Special Forces (Regional Bases):
- Kuwait: Over 13,500 personnel, including troops at Camp Buehring, act as a staging post.
- Iraq & Syria: Approximately 2,500 troops in Iraq and 2,000 in Syria, operating at locations such as Ain al-Asad and Erbil.
- Saudi Arabia: Approximately 2,700 personnel supporting air defense.
- Jordan: Roughly 3,800 troops, excluding Air Force personnel.
With the mountains in Iran to the north of the strait, Iran will (at least initially, & that might be all it needs) have the high ground…until jets arrive. If Iran is willing to sacrifice (one use and dispose of) whatever it throws at the Strait of Hormuz, repeatedly a few times, it’ll “probably” make the insurance companies veto any passage of the strait.