Trumpian Trump Class Battleships

[Ron in Regina]

You would think, diplomatically, threats & stupidity about the “51st State” would then be something that wouldn’t exist if this was actually part of a negotiation…& the whole fentanyl/immigration/whatever type excuses would never have happened if this was “really” what the negotiations where over… instead of the cluster fuck that we’ve witnessed for the last six months.

In hindsight, this is so Venezuelan Greenlandish.

Never show your hand is his style of negotiation. Canadians should be told what is being negotiated. We know the whole golden shower dome thing is coming so what involved in that and Greys Bay/NWP.

Sort of like a modern future Panama Canal?

Funny how the liberals couldn't find a business case to export Canadian energy to Europe, despite European leaders practically begging for our products, the US all of a sudden becomes a major supplier. Almost like it was paid for.

Trump is Always showing his hand, all eleventeen of them, from every angle, and then he takes them back and then he throws them out and then he flips them over, and then it’s his feet, as he throws shit at the wall to see what sticks, and how gullible and stupid people really are.

That could just be my impression from the outside looking in though.

President Donald Trump announced on Monday plans to build a new “Trump-class” of battleships — larger, faster and “100 times more powerful” than any before — aimed at cementing U.S. naval dominance, starting with two vessels as part of an expanded “Golden Fleet.” Bigly.

He said the project would eventually be expanded to encompass 20 to 25 new vessels.

The planned build-out of warships will ultimately result in "more tonnage and firepower under construction than at any time in history," U.S. Navy Secretary John Phelan said, adding that components would be built in every U.S. state. A U.S. chicken in every pot, & a Volkswagen something American-ish in every garage.
He said the battleships would not only feature the "biggest guns" ever carried on a U.S. warship but also would carry nuclear-armed, sea-launched cruise missiles. The first of the new battleships will be christened the USS Donald Trump Defiant.

In addition to the new battleship class, the Golden Fleet envisions an increase in the number of other types of war vessels, including a smaller, more nimble frigate class previously announced by the U.S. Navy, Trump said.

Trump unveils plan for 'Trump-class' battleships to boost US sea power — Reuters

President Donald Trump announced on Monday plans to build a new “Trump-class” of battleships — larger, faster and “100 times more powerful” than any before — aimed at cementing U.S. naval dominance, starting with two vessels as part of an expanded “Golden Fleet.”

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[Tecumsehsbones]

Battleships? Like the Yamato?

Well, they make good targets. Not cheap though.

 

[Ron in Regina]

Battleships? Like the Yamato?

Well, they make good targets. Not cheap though.

Like the Yamato, but larger, faster and “100 times more powerful” than any before, and covered in gold leaf…well not covered, but tastefully accentuated like a golden fleet of huge targets navel supremacy for 1000 years, etc…& I’m still waiting for someone to make the connection and start calling these Argonauts.

(YouTube & Trump unveils ‘Trump-class’ battleships for US Navy’s ‘Golden Fleet’)

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Like the Yamato, but larger, faster and “100 times more powerful” than any before

Yeah, and modern fighter-bombers are larger, faster, and 100 times more powerful than the Grumman F6Fs that took Yamato off the board.

 

[Ron in Regina]

Yeah, and modern fighter-bombers are larger, faster, and 100 times more powerful than the Grumman F6Fs that took Yamato off the board.

And there’s probably gonna be some low-(or not so low) tech, comparatively low cost, something or another coming down the pipe, defence against these things, because technology and innovation accelerates dramatically during times of war it seems, but we’re gonna have to wait and see. Something like a rubber boat with a suitcase nuke, etc…but time will tell.

I wonder how much rare earth minerals & elements will go into a golden fleet Trumpian battleship and where they’ll come from, or be refined, before their use in these things?

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

And there’s probably gonna be some low-(or not so low) tech, comparatively low cost, something or another coming down the pipe, defence against these things, because technology and innovation accelerates dramatically during times of war it seems, but we’re gonna have to wait and see. Something like a rubber boat with a suitcase nuke, etc…but time will tell.

I wonder how much rare earth minerals & elements will go into a golden fleet Trumpian battleship and where they’ll come from, or be refined, before their use in these things?

Hyper-velocity missiles might do it.

We had a plan on the boards a while back for semi-submersible arsenal ships. Wonder what happened to those?

Not Trumpy enough, I guess.

 

[Ron in Regina]

Not Trumpy enough, I guess.

Trump unveils plans for 'Golden Fleet' battleships named after himself — BBC News

The US president has vowed to revive American shipbuilding after lagging behind China in naval capacity.

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President Donald Trump has announced that the US will commission a new series of heavily armed Navy "battleships" named after himself, as part of a revamped "Golden Fleet".

 

[Ron in Regina]

Hyper-velocity missiles might do it.

We had a plan on the boards a while back for semi-submersible arsenal ships. Wonder what happened to those?

Not Trumpy enough, I guess.

(YouTube & Longer than Yamato, the Navy's new $15B Super Battleships sets a new record and is the Most Genius, etc…)

{YouTube & The Trump Class "Battleship" is a Lie (But It's Railgun Isn't)}

If the Golden Trump Fleet of Battleships are going to be gas turbine and diesel powered…where would the sheer volume of electricity needed for a rail-gun come from?

{YouTube & sharks with laser beams attached to their heads}

 

[petros]

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(YouTube & Longer than Yamato, the Navy's new $15B Super Battleships sets a new record and is the Most Genius, etc…)
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{YouTube & The Trump Class "Battleship" is a Lie (But It's Railgun Isn't)}

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{YouTube & sharks with laser beams attached to their heads}

What are the reasons not to update the fleet?

Are we expecting an outbreak of peace anytime soon?

 

[Ron in Regina]

What are the reasons not to update the fleet?

Are we expecting an outbreak of peace anytime soon?

I think there’s a matter of “updating the fleet” & “updating the fleet with useable and functional items that are militarily useful” sorta thing. Again, I’m from the prairies and I’m totally on the outside of nautical everything, but that’s the general impression I’m receiving from several directions.

The Trump-class battleship (specifically the proposed USS Defiant BBG-1) is a 2025 proposal for a massive, 30,000–40,000 ton surface combatant designed to carry hypersonic missiles, electromagnetic railguns, lasers, and nuclear-capable cruise missiles.

While proposed to serve as a flagship for a new "Golden Fleet" in the 2030s, experts and military analysts are highly skeptical of its utility in a modern navy for the following reasons:

• Vulnerability to Modern Weapons: Unlike WWII-era battleships designed to withstand armor-piercing shells, the Trump-class would be susceptible to low-cost drone swarms, stealthy submarines, and advanced anti-ship ballistic missiles.
• Contravenes Current Doctrine: The U.S. Navy is moving toward a "distributed firepower" model (using many smaller, cheaper, dispersed ships). A small number of massive, $9–$15 billion ships would concentrate risk and provide a massive target.
• Technical Challenges: The integration of unproven technologies like railguns and advanced lasers on a single platform is considered highly complex. Furthermore, the planned 128 vertical launch cells is relatively low for a ship of its massive size.
• Budgetary and Logistics Obstacles: The projected $9 to $15 billion per ship cost is considered excessive, and the U.S. shipbuilding industrial base currently lacks the capacity to build such a vessel while maintaining current demands.
• The proposed design is meant to act as a command-and-control platform for manned and unmanned systems, providing long-range strike capabilities (80x the range of previous battleships, that haven’t been built in more than 80 years) and area denial. Despite this, many analysts believe the program will never sail due to its contravention of modern operating concepts and extreme cost.

Other than those and other obstacles, objections, and factors, it’s the perfect something something.

America's last built battleship was the USS Missouri (BB-63), completed in 1944 for World War II, though the Iowa-class battleships were kept active until the 1990s, serving in the Korean War, Vietnam War, and Gulf War for their powerful shore bombardment, with the last decommissioned in 1992.

They were built because battleships were the ultimate capital ships, powerful gun platforms for projecting force and winning decisive fleet engagements, a role they filled from the age of sail to the age of aircraft carriers, though eventually superseded by air power and missiles, and there’s still air power and missiles, so…