The New York Declaration.

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What is it?


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The "New York Declaration" refers to the New York Declaration on the Peaceful Settlement of the Question of Palestine and the Implementation of the Two-State Solution, adopted on July 29, 2025, at a United Nations High-Level International Conference in New York.

Co-chaired by France and Saudi Arabia, with working groups led by Brazil, Canada, Egypt, Indonesia, Ireland, Italy, Japan, Jordan, Mexico, Norway, Qatar, Senegal, Spain, Türkiye, the United Kingdom, the European Union, and the League of Arab States, it emerged amid escalating tensions in the Middle East following the October 7, 2023, Hamas attacks and the ensuing Gaza conflict.

The declaration outlines a roadmap for ending the Israeli-Palestinian conflict through a two-state solution, emphasizing immediate ceasefires, humanitarian aid, and long-term peace mechanisms.

On September 12, 2025, the UN General Assembly endorsed the declaration via Resolution A/80/L.1/Rev.1, with 142 votes in favor, 10 against (including Israel and the United States), and 12 abstentions.

This endorsement marks a significant multilateral push for Palestinian statehood but has faced criticism from Israel and the U.S. as a "publicity stunt" that undermines direct negotiations and benefits Hamas.

Key Commitments and Provisions

The 42-paragraph declaration, supported by an annex from eight working groups, addresses immediate crises and structural reforms.

Core elements include:

Immediate Humanitarian and Security Measures:

Calls for an immediate and unconditional ceasefire in Gaza, the release of all hostages held by Hamas, and the end to Israeli military operations.

Demands unrestricted humanitarian access to Gaza, including the lifting of the blockade, and condemns settler violence in the West Bank.

Urges protection of civilians, journalists, and aid workers, with accountability for violations of international humanitarian law.

Political and Governance Reforms:

Welcomes Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas's pledge for democratic elections across the Occupied Palestinian Territory (including East Jerusalem) within one year, under international oversight, adhering to the PLO platform, UN resolutions, and the principle of "One State, One Government, One Law, and One Gun."

Supports Palestinian unity and the establishment of a single, reformed Palestinian Authority with inclusive governance.

Economic and Access Reforms:

Demands removal of movement and access restrictions, release of withheld Palestinian tax revenues, and revision of the 1994 Paris Protocol on Economic Relations.

Advocates for Palestinian integration into the global financial system, including sustainable banking relations and ownership over taxation.

Two-State Solution Framework:

Reaffirms UN resolutions (e.g., 242, 338) for a sovereign Palestinian state on 1967 borders with East Jerusalem as its capital, alongside Israel's security.

Commits to halting settlement expansion, addressing Jerusalem's status, and ensuring refugee rights (including references to the "right of return," which Israel views as existential threat).

Outlines a timeline for negotiations, with international guarantees for implementation.

The declaration positions itself as an "actionable framework" to revive stalled peace processes, building on prior initiatives like the Oslo Accords and Arab Peace Initiative.

Reactions and Implications
Supporters: Proponents, including France and Arab states, hail it as a "bold, comprehensive" step toward justice and stability, filling gaps in international responsibility.

Critics:

Israel called it "theatre" and a misuse of the UN, arguing it ignores Hamas's role and weakens direct talks. The U.S. echoed this, labeling it a "gift to Hamas" that prolongs the war and includes unacceptable provisions like refugee returns.

Broader Context:

Adopted just weeks before the current date (September 23, 2025), the declaration's conference resumes in late September, with ongoing debates on enforcement amid continued violence in Gaza and the West Bank.

This document represents a rare consensus among diverse stakeholders but its success hinges on implementation amid geopolitical divides. For the full text, see the UN's official document A/CONF.243/2025/1.
 
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This is huge. It stymies illegal actions without going through the UN or US approval. If any co-signator that acts against US or Israeli hegemony they can do so without impunity. If Canada want to cut Israel off, we can with support of the alliance. Its also a mini NATO.

Have a nice day!
 

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Ok, things are starting to quiet down so…so how is this gonna work? For this thread to work, someone has to be the contrarian, and I volunteer, time permitting, etc…

Does Palestine meet the criteria to form statehood? The international legal criteria for statehood require that a nascent state have:
a) a permanent population;
b) a defined territory;
c) a government with effective control over that population and territory; and
d) capacity to enter into relations with other states.

Four criteria for statehood are listed in the 1933 Montevideo Convention. Palestine can justifiably lay claim to two: a permanent population (although the war in Gaza started 10.07.2023 has put this at enormous risk) and the capacity to enter into international relations - there’s gotta be someone to speak for Palestinians that’s not a current or former terrorist organization, so I’m sure they can come up with that. I have faith!

“Palestine” doesn't yet fit the requirement of a "defined territory" & with no agreement on final borders (and no actual peace process), it's difficult to know with any certainty what is meant by Palestine.

(The European Council (EC) added several additional non-binding criteria in its 1991 guidelines for recognizing new states in Eastern Europe and the former Soviet Union. These include prospective states providing their citizens “the rule of law, democracy, and human rights” but that’s probably neither here nor there)

Then there’s the whole government with effective control over its population and territory? Do you even want me to touch this one?

I remember way back when about…oh, August 1st, 2025 or so, when Mark Carney said that Canada (did Canada, or even the Canadian Parliament representing Canadians get a say in this?) would recognize Palestinian statehood with prerequisites (the key part of that word is that “pre” in prerequisites).
1758675967810.jpegThen, Mr Carney threw that out the window (did Canada, or even the Canadian parliament representing Canadians get a say in this either?), his prerequisites I mean, so that he could state his claim on the Jewish New Year’s holiday eve because…why not?
I mean, it keeps with the theme of Hamas attacking Israel on the Simchat Torah jewish holiday because…why not?
Either or might be (but probably isn’t) a coincidence, but both? That’s a hell of a coincidental coincidence, ain’t it?

Then some of the rhetoric coming out of this? Not sure how that could be reconciled with reality. Here’s an example:
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Contiguous? What does Mr Carney, on behalf of all Canadians and without asking them to the best of my knowledge, mean?
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Is Mr Carney in 2025 envisioning some land swaps much like Mr Obama in 2011? Mutually agreed upon land swaps??
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Now, somewhere in recent memory, surely less than two years ago, I think I mentioned land swaps (mutually agreed upon of course) & I was Poo-Poo’d ‘cuz “damn dirty apes!” or something…but maybe that was a movie I was watching? I think it went something like this:
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And in response I think this question brought up by B.Obama & greasily without actually mentioning the words by M.Carney of mutually agreed-upon land swaps, I believe the response was in the negative…🤔
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But maybe that’s neither here nor there at this point either.

How will Palestine, whatever its borders end up being, function? Who will actually govern it? With Gaza & the area being called the West Bank since 1948 (when Jordan annexed it, until Israel took it away from Jordan) being physically (among other ways) separated for more than 3/4 of a century, are these two areas even compatible with each other other?
This is huge. It stymies illegal actions without going through the UN or US approval. If any co-signator that act against US or Israeli hegemony they can do so without impunity.

Have a nice day!
Are you referring to the video posted about eight hours previous (?) or to the situation in general? I’m still playing catch-up here.
 

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Ok, things are starting to quiet down so…so how is this gonna work? For this thread to work, someone has to be the contrarian, and I volunteer, time permitting, etc…

Does Palestine meet the criteria to form statehood? The international legal criteria for statehood require that a nascent state have:
a) a permanent population;
b) a defined territory;
c) a government with effective control over that population and territory; and
d) capacity to enter into relations with other states.

Four criteria for statehood are listed in the 1933 Montevideo Convention. Palestine can justifiably lay claim to two: a permanent population (although the war in Gaza started 10.07.2023 has put this at enormous risk) and the capacity to enter into international relations - there’s gotta be someone to speak for Palestinians that’s not a current or former terrorist organization, so I’m sure they can come up with that. I have faith!

“Palestine” doesn't yet fit the requirement of a "defined territory" & with no agreement on final borders (and no actual peace process), it's difficult to know with any certainty what is meant by Palestine.

(The European Council (EC) added several additional non-binding criteria in its 1991 guidelines for recognizing new states in Eastern Europe and the former Soviet Union. These include prospective states providing their citizens “the rule of law, democracy, and human rights” but that’s probably neither here nor there)

Then there’s the whole government with effective control over its population and territory? Do you even want me to touch this one?

I remember way back when about…oh, August 1st, 2025 or so, when Mark Carney said that Canada (did Canada, or even the Canadian Parliament representing Canadians get a say in this?) would recognize Palestinian statehood with prerequisites (the key part of that word is that “pre” in prerequisites).
View attachment 31234Then, Mr Carney threw that out the window (did Canada, or even the Canadian parliament representing Canadians get a say in this either?), his prerequisites I mean, so that he could state his claim on the Jewish New Year’s holiday eve because…why not?
I mean, it keeps with the theme of Hamas attacking Israel on the Simchat Torah jewish holiday because…why not?
Either or might be (but probably isn’t) a coincidence, but both? That’s a hell of a coincidental coincidence, ain’t it?

Then some of the rhetoric coming out of this? Not sure how that could be reconciled with reality. Here’s an example:
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Contiguous? What does Mr Carney, on behalf of all Canadians and without asking them to the best of my knowledge, mean?
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Is Mr Carney in 2025 envisioning some land swaps much like Mr Obama in 2011? Mutually agreed upon land swaps??
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Now, somewhere in recent memory, surely less than two years ago, I think I mentioned land swaps (mutually agreed upon of course) & I was Poo-Poo’d ‘cuz “damn dirty apes!” or something…but maybe that was a movie I was watching? I think it went something like this:
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And in response I think this question brought up by B.Obama & greasily without actually mentioning the words by M.Carney of mutually agreed-upon land swaps, I believe the response was in the negative…🤔
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But maybe that’s neither here nor there at this point either.

How will Palestine, whatever its borders end up being, function? Who will actually govern it? With Gaza & the area being called the West Bank since 1948 (when Jordan annexed it, until Israel took it away from Jordan) being physically (among other ways) separated for more than 3/4 of a century, are these two areas even compatible with each other other?

Are you referring to the video posted about eight hours previous (?) or to the situation in general? I’m still playing catch-up here.
Read the entire document linked. Its a UUUGE step away from the US. Saudis and French went to town on this one.
 

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You posted was unquoatable without heavy editing.

Start with it being Sept 23 2025 and not 80 years ago.

This is more than something Carney did yesterday. If youre disappointed you've had since (1988 I believe) to complain.

Ramallah is the current Capital.

Borders needs to be established and respected by Israel.

Palestine has a trade network.

It has International political ties through recognized embassys and offices globally.

Palestine maintains a network of embassies, consulates, and general delegations worldwide, with locations including Tirana (Albania), Algiers (Algeria), Baku (Azerbaijan), Minsk (Belarus), Beijing (China), Prague (Czech Republic), Paris (France), Rome (Italy), Kuala Lumpur (Malaysia), Managua (Nicaragua), Oslo (Norway), Doha (Qatar), Riyadh (Saudi Arabia), Ankara (Turkey), Abu Dhabi (United Arab Emirates), and London (United Kingdom). These missions represent the State of Palestine and promote its interests abroad, serving diplomatic, cultural, and developmental roles in countries where they are established.

Examples of Palestinian diplomatic missions:

Europe:Albania, Austria, Belarus, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Bulgaria, Cyprus, Czech Republic, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Hungary, Ireland, Italy, Malta, Montenegro, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Russia, Slovakia, Sweden, Switzerland.

Asia:Azerbaijan, China, India, Indonesia, Iran, Iraq, Japan, Jordan, Kazakhstan, North Korea, Kuwait, Lebanon, Malaysia, Oman, Pakistan, Philippines, Saudi Arabia, Sri Lanka, Syria, Tajikistan, Turkey, Turkmenistan, United Arab Emirates, Uzbekistan, Vietnam.

Africa:Algeria, Angola, Djibouti, Egypt, Ethiopia, Gabon, Libya, Mali, Mauritania, Morocco, Mozambique, Nigeria, South Africa, Sudan, Tanzania, Tunisia, Zambia, Zimbabwe.

Americas:Argentina, Brazil, Canada, Chile, Colombia, Cuba, Mexico, Nicaragua, Peru, Spain, United States.

What do these missions do?

Promote interests:They advance Palestine's economic, cultural, and political interests in their host countries.

Provide consular services:These missions offer a range of consular services to Palestinian and international citizens.

Facilitate communication:They serve as a point of contact for information on Palestinian affairs and citizenship processes.

Support diaspora communities:They play a crucial role in engaging with and supporting the large Palestinian communities living abroad.


I have no idea how you never knew they didnt have.

Start with their Declaration of Independence in 1988.
 

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Read the entire document linked. Its a UUUGE step away from the US. Saudis and French went to town on this one.
Yeah, time permitting. My better half is out still this evening and I’m ahead of the game on chores after work tonight, so I’ve had some time, and I’ve just made it through the 20 minute video above in post 2 while doing other things.
You posted was unquoatable without heavy editing.
Then feel free to rebut piecemeal, or not. Your call.
This is more than something Carney did yesterday. If youre disappointed you've had since (1988 I believe) to complain.
Yeah, I was pretty busy in 1988, & since.
Borders needs to be established and respected by Israel.
Don’t they need to be established and respected by both parties involved? Aren’t there two? Well, at least two? Maybe only two assuming that Gaza & the West Bank are even compatible with each other at this point. Even the “From the River to the Sea” crowd would have to respect these borders once they are “agreed” upon, right?
With Gaza & the area being called the West Bank since 1948 (when Jordan annexed it, until Israel took it away from Jordan) being physically (among other ways) separated for more than 3/4 of a century, are these two areas even compatible with each other other?
Palestine maintains a network of embassies, consulates, and general delegations worldwide…
Which Palestine? The one governed by Hamas, or the one governed by the Palestinian Authority? Aren’t these two separate entities at this point? I’m assuming you mean the Palestinian Authority’s embassies, etc…& not the Hamas controlled Gaza Embassies above? You’re talking about them as if they’re one thing, but they really haven’t been for almost 80 years…
Start with it being Sept 23 2025 and not 80 years ago.
Yes, exactly. This is not the early days of the Arab League. This is now.

If the PA, that’s currently in it’s 20th year of its four year term since it’s last election, were to hold an election tomorrow, or next week, or next month, or next year…would they win? Aren’t they beyond being a politically dead horse, unless you claim otherwise I guess? After the first ‘Palestinian’ election, who governs ‘Palestinian’ and what’s their charter state?
Start with their Declaration of Independence in 1988.
Sure, why not? So in 1988, was it the Hamas Government, or the Palestinian Authority Government, or a third entity that didn’t even have control over either Gaza or the West Bank (?) declare this independence of Palestine (?) and if so, which Palestine were they speaking for (?) and who gave them the authority to do so? The Palestinians? If so, which ones? With which ‘national’ capital (?) and why?

(Do you want to answer the above questions or shall I (?) ‘cuz I’ll just pull up a quick and dirty wiki, because it’s fast and convenient)
Will Israel agree to a ceasefire and honour it?
Will Hamas allow one to happen by releasing the Holocaustages, disarming, disbanding, and generally bugger off, and will they honour it…in order for a ceasefire to happen after those prerequisites?

Isn’t this one of those loaded questions, eh? Thus my qualified response, because what would it take to bring a ceasefire to the table in the first place with respect to Israel? What has Israel been stating is necessary to happen first before a ceasefire is considered?

Wouldn’t this have been sooo much easier if Israel had lost just one war since its own declaration of independence back in 1948, because if it had, it would no longer exist today.
1758682845662.jpegOf coarse, if Israel had lost any of most of those wars, I’m pretty sure Palestine wouldn’t exist either, but perhaps that’s also neither here nor there. Without Israel, Palestine wouldn’t have had a reason to exist.
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Yeah, time permitting. My better half is out still this evening and I’m ahead of the game on chores after work tonight, so I’ve had some time, and I’ve just made it through the 20 minute video above in post 2 while doing other things.

Then feel free to rebut piecemeal, or not. Your call.

Yeah, I was pretty busy in 1988, & since.

Don’t they need to be established and respected by both parties involved? Aren’t there two? Well, at least two? Maybe only two assuming that Gaza & the West Bank are even compatible with each other at this point. Even the “From the River to the Sea” crowd would have to respect these borders once they are “agreed” upon, right?


Which Palestine? The one governed by Hamas, or the one governed by the Palestinian Authority? Aren’t these two separate entities at this point? I’m assuming you mean the Palestinian Authority’s embassies, etc…& not the Hamas controlled Gaza Embassies above? You’re talking about them as if they’re one thing, but they really haven’t been for almost 80 years…

Yes, exactly. This is not the early days of the Arab League. This is now.

If the PA, that’s currently in it’s 20th year of its four year term since it’s last election, were to hold an election tomorrow, or next week, or next month, or next year…would they win? Aren’t they beyond being a politically dead horse, unless you claim otherwise I guess? After the first ‘Palestinian’ election, who governs ‘Palestinian’ and what’s their charter state?

Sure, why not? So in 1988, was it the Hamas Government, or the Palestinian Authority Government, or a third entity that didn’t even have control over either Gaza or the West Bank (?) declare this independence of Palestine (?) and if so, which Palestine were they speaking for (?) and who gave them the authority to do so? The Palestinians? If so, which ones? With which ‘national’ capital (?) and why?

(Do you want to answer the above questions or shall I (?) ‘cuz I’ll just pull up a quick and dirty wiki, because it’s fast and convenient)

Will Hamas allow one to happen by releasing the Holocaustages, disarming, disbanding, and generally bugger off, and will they honour it…in order for a ceasefire to happen after those prerequisites?

Isn’t this one of those loaded questions, eh? Thus my qualified response, because what would it take to bring a ceasefire to the table in the first place with respect to Israel? What has Israel been stating is necessary to happen first before a ceasefire is considered?

Wouldn’t this have been sooo much easier if Israel had lost just one war since its own declaration of independence back in 1948, because if it had, it would no longer exist today.
View attachment 31238Of coarse, if Israel had lost any of most of those wars, I’m pretty sure Palestine wouldn’t exist either, but perhaps that’s also neither here nor there. Without Israel, Palestine wouldn’t have had a reason to exist.
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This ends Hamas. The only "river to the sea" is Israel and the terrorist Likud and psycho JKK friends.

Keep trying.
 

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Hamas got what they wanted. Israel wouldn't accept time and time again.

Look to the JKK for this dragging out. They've been bragging about it and now have no choice.
So if they got what they wanted, then they’ve already released the remaining holocaustages, laid down their arms, disbanded, etc…(?)…to end this and let Gaza/Palestine move forward then?
 

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So if they got what they wanted, then they’ve already released the remaining holocaustages, laid down their arms, disbanded, etc…(?)…to end this and let Gaza/Palestine move forward then?
That requires Israel to do the same. I doubt they will so Hamas will persist. 3577 Palestinians are being held without charges. 112 are children.

Expect another "Islamist terror attack" staged by Israel shortly. Canada hasn't been hit yet and guess who has a flight booked Oct 7?
 

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That requires Israel to do the same. I doubt they will so Hamas will persist. 3577 Palestinians are being held without charges. 112 are children.
Release the ones that aren’t being held on terrorism charges. Figure it out from there. A cascade of countries offering recognition to a Palestinian state, mounting accusations of genocide, high-level rebukes over humanitarian conditions in Gaza and growing trade threats have left Israel increasingly isolated as Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu prepares to address the United Nations General Assembly in New York this week.
Expect another "Islamist terror attack" staged by Israel shortly. Canada hasn't been hit yet and guess who has a flight booked Oct 7?
Can you expand upon this, please? You’re expecting Canada to have its own 9/11 because….?
 

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Release the ones that aren’t being held on terrorism charges. Figure it out from there. A cascade of countries offering recognition to a Palestinian state, mounting accusations of genocide, high-level rebukes over humanitarian conditions in Gaza and growing trade threats have left Israel increasingly isolated as Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu prepares to address the United Nations General Assembly in New York this week.

Can you expand upon this, please? You’re expecting Canada to have its own 9/11 because….?
So release the 3577 held without charges? What a great idea Ron. I'm glad you thought of that. It has never been an obstruction to peace or part of the reason for 10-07.

Why would I suspect? Do you have any plausible reasons why I should trust the JKK not to? Desperation leads to desperate acts. I don't even trust them to return library books on time.
 
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Maybe he did make them smoke the whole pack or is Trump being made to smoke the whole pack? A carton of BRICS?

Trump administration presented Gaza peace plan to Arab leaders

Updated 3 hr ago

NEW YORK, NEW YORK - SEPTEMBER 24:

The Trump administration proposed a 21-point peace plan to end the war in Gaza to Arab leaders on Tuesday, which led to an exchange of ideas among the leaders over how to agree on a final proposal that could potentially drive an end the conflict, according to a senior administration official and regional sources familiar with the matter.

On Wednesday US Special Envoy Steve Witkoff expressed confidence that there would be “some sort of breakthrough” in the coming day but did not go into details.

“We had a very productive session,” Witkoff said of the meeting between President Donald Trump and the US delegation and the Arab leaders.

“We presented what we call the Trump 21-point plan for peace in the Mideast, in Gaza,” Witkoff said at the Concordia summit in New York.

“I think it addresses Israeli concerns, as well as the concerns of all the neighbors in the region,” Witkoff added. “And we’re hopeful, and I might say even confident, that in the coming days, we’ll be able to announce some sort of breakthrough.”

The plan that the US proposed included a number of points that the administration has made publicly, including the release of all hostages and a permanent ceasefire, according to a separate source briefed on the matter. It also outlined a framework for how Gaza can be governed without Hamas and included a proposal for Israel gradually withdrawing from the Gaza strip, the source said.

The regional leaders endorsed large parts of Trump’s plan but made suggestions on provisions they want added, according to two regional diplomats. They made a series of points that they wanted to be included in any final plan for Gaza, including: no annexation of the West Bank by Israel, maintaining the current status quo for Jerusalem, ending the war in Gaza and bringing back all the hostages held by Hamas, increased humanitarian aid to Gaza and addressing Israeli’s illegal settlements, one of the regional sources explained.

“The meeting was super useful,” said one of the diplomats, explaining that details were addressed.

The new momentum comes after Israel carried out a deadly strike against Hamas in Doha, which halted all ongoing talks through intermediaries between Hamas and Israel. During a trip to the region following that strike, Secretary of State Marco Rubio injected some urgency into the need for a negotiated settlement, saying “time is running out” to reach a deal to end the war.

The Qataris significantly offered this week in the meeting with Trump to continue playing a mediating role if they received assurances that there would not be any future Israeli strikes in their country following Israel’s strike earlier this month, one of the regional sources said.

The leaders agreed that they would meet again with the Trump administration to address the ongoing efforts, and that meeting took place with Rubio on Wednesday. Rubio said at the beginning of that meeting that “very important work is ongoing, even as we speak” with regard to a future for Gaza and the Palestinian people.

European governments received a readout of the general plan that the Trump administration put forward and two European diplomats told CNN they believed it represented an authentic renewed effort to drive an end to the conflict. One of those officials added that the overall plan could prevent Israel from further annexing the West Bank, citing that action as something that would make it virtually impossible to expand the Abraham accords, which is a cited goal of the Trump administration.

The new Trump administration proposal was put on the table with Gulf partners just the day after Saudi Arabia and France hosted a two-state solution conference which the US boycotted, citing opposition to the recognition of a Palestinian state which Trump has said would reward Hamas.