Have You Been Polled?

Ron in Regina

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Well, it is weird, and interesting, & just over two weeks until the actual election…
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Poilievre is campaigning for Canada, & Carney is campaigning against Trump, but when Trump hasn’t done something boneheaded in the media in a few days (it has happened a few times now), Carney retreats from media exposure ‘cuz he might have to talk about something other than Trump….

If Trumps focus is elsewhere than Canada, Carney doesn’t have anything to say or campaign against, so media might ask him about….oh….Brookfield, or China, or Chinese tariffs against Canada, or Carney’s actual Non-Trump platform looking for details, or Carneys own finances, etc…& none of those are things Carney or Libs want talked about.
1744530874399.jpegPoilievre has announced some new policy, and Carney (& Team Butts/Telford) need a couple days to figure out how to steal the ideas and water them down and add caveats so it sounds like there’s a liberal option to the same…that they’d never actually have to implement if they win.

Poilievre announced his platform towards crime, bail, & parole…so Liberals huddled, said it was about Trump, & this now?:
So now Liberals will do more of the same that hasn’t worked, but harder and faster ‘cuz YouTube &…”Liberals doubling down on gun buyback program” but they neglect to mention that Canada is already had effective legislation towards this since the same year that Star Wars first came out.
 
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spaminator

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Couple behind mystery banner asking important question
Shara and Paul Micucci created some intrigue with their "Do you believe the polls" banner but now realize others were also curious


Author of the article:Joe Warmington
Published Apr 16, 2025 • Last updated 10 hours ago • 4 minute read

Shara and Paul Micucci were the couple behind the "Do You Believe in the Polls" signs and banner that caused an on-line stir this week -- Joe Warmington photo
Shara and Paul Micucci were the couple behind the "Do You Believe in the Polls" signs and banner that caused an online stir this week -- Joe Warmington photo
Turns out Woodward and Bernstein were not needed to solve this mystery.


Count this investigation closed thanks to intrepid social media reporters who have become so important in this election campaign. But in doing their good work, they sometimes remind us why it’s necessary to keep some old mainstream newshounds around, too.

Sometimes you need to get to the bottom of the story – online independent reporters to dig one out and traditional reporters to do the “five Ws” that often does not happen with digital scoops.

This is one of those times.

After sign-trashing operations and just before Buttongate, came the banner mystery: Who was holding that banner asking whether people in Canada believe what the opinion polls are telling them?

Like a lot of Canadians during the first two weeks of this federal election campaign, Paul and Shara Micucci wondered whether polls showing Liberal Leader Mark Carney with a big lead were accurate?


And what was the methodology being used by these polling companies?

Out of that came the idea to ask the public: “Do you believe the polls?”

“We got some shirts, hats, signs and a banner made up at the mall and decided to go to the Pierre Poilievre rally in Brampton last week and see what happens,” said Paul Micucci.


They couple, who have a small property business and manage a charity gaming location, didn’t expect what happened next. Their six T-shirts, hats, two signs and one banner, as shown on canadianrealpolls.ca on Instagram, went viral.

“It started with 15 followers, and in 24 hours, we have 150,000 views and in one week we had 369,000 views of one video alone,” said Shara.

They noticed “over 1 million impressions on a single Instagram account” and very soon after, a “heated discussion on the topic of polls.”


A lot of that started when a reporter asked Poilievre if he would respect the election outcome?

With that came people thinking all of this was being orchestrated by political operatives who have an agenda.

Suddenly, just like that, Paul and Shara and some of their friends found themselves under fire on social media for allegedly being operatives — “ratf—ers” and “dirty tricks” players — working with Premier Doug Ford and his former campaign manager, Kory Teneycke, to harm the Poilievre campaign.



That, they promised, was never their intention, insisting suggestions of a conspiracy are not even remotely true.

“I have never met Kory Teneycke,” Paul said with a laugh over a coffee at Kettleman’s Bagels on Brown’s Line Wednesday.

Suddenly, a picture dropped of the couple posing with Ford, and the legend got bigger.

“But no one in the media called us to ask,” he said.

They would have told any reporter they got their picture with the premier at a political event.

“I have never had a conversation with Premier Ford about politics at any level,” said Paul.

They helped organize the Meadowvale Business Association breakfast on March 7 (I was there) where Ford spoke. Other than voting for him, they say, they don’t have any connection.


They are, however, federal Conservative Party members who support Poilievre, and want him to win the election. And they were curious about these poll results.

“After weeks of listening to outlandish narratives from the media based on polls done on who knows” what questions and methodology, said Paul, “my wife and I decided to make shirts, hats and a banner. This is no big movement or charge or association of people. It’s just a frustrated couple who believe people should vote on policies of the party they believe will make Canada into the country they would like to live in.”

They decided to stand outside the hall in Brampton before and after the Poilievre rally and talk to people, admitting to being naive as to what could occur.


“It was just a question,” said Paul. “It was a social experiment.”



Since then, they have opened up a lot of dialogue with people and their friends have taken the banner to Montreal and Ottawa and plan to hit other locations in the GTA before election day.

“We are not questioning the electoral process or legitimacy,” said Paul. “We are talking about polling narratives.”

Fair question to ask.

Why do media cover polls like they are an accurate score of a game underway?

I agree with what the Micuccis did here. I have questions about the polling industry, too.

And if polling companies can poll the public, so can the Micuccis. They are nice people who took all of the intrigue in stride in a quest to clarify the matter while reminding us polls are not supposed to set a trend as much as reflect one.

It wasn’t difficult to learn what this enigma was.

Just one cup a coffee and this mysterious message was decoded. There will be no Pulitzer or movie. But there may more people asking the question of questions: Do you believe the polls?
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Couple behind mystery banner asking important question
Shara and Paul Micucci created some intrigue with their "Do you believe the polls" banner but now realize others were also curious


Author of the article:Joe Warmington
Published Apr 16, 2025 • Last updated 10 hours ago • 4 minute read

Shara and Paul Micucci were the couple behind the "Do You Believe in the Polls" signs and banner that caused an on-line stir this week -- Joe Warmington photo
Shara and Paul Micucci were the couple behind the "Do You Believe in the Polls" signs and banner that caused an online stir this week -- Joe Warmington photo
Turns out Woodward and Bernstein were not needed to solve this mystery.


Count this investigation closed thanks to intrepid social media reporters who have become so important in this election campaign. But in doing their good work, they sometimes remind us why it’s necessary to keep some old mainstream newshounds around, too.

Sometimes you need to get to the bottom of the story – online independent reporters to dig one out and traditional reporters to do the “five Ws” that often does not happen with digital scoops.

This is one of those times.

After sign-trashing operations and just before Buttongate, came the banner mystery: Who was holding that banner asking whether people in Canada believe what the opinion polls are telling them?

Like a lot of Canadians during the first two weeks of this federal election campaign, Paul and Shara Micucci wondered whether polls showing Liberal Leader Mark Carney with a big lead were accurate?


And what was the methodology being used by these polling companies?

Out of that came the idea to ask the public: “Do you believe the polls?”

“We got some shirts, hats, signs and a banner made up at the mall and decided to go to the Pierre Poilievre rally in Brampton last week and see what happens,” said Paul Micucci.


They couple, who have a small property business and manage a charity gaming location, didn’t expect what happened next. Their six T-shirts, hats, two signs and one banner, as shown on canadianrealpolls.ca on Instagram, went viral.

“It started with 15 followers, and in 24 hours, we have 150,000 views and in one week we had 369,000 views of one video alone,” said Shara.

They noticed “over 1 million impressions on a single Instagram account” and very soon after, a “heated discussion on the topic of polls.”


A lot of that started when a reporter asked Poilievre if he would respect the election outcome?

With that came people thinking all of this was being orchestrated by political operatives who have an agenda.

Suddenly, just like that, Paul and Shara and some of their friends found themselves under fire on social media for allegedly being operatives — “ratf—ers” and “dirty tricks” players — working with Premier Doug Ford and his former campaign manager, Kory Teneycke, to harm the Poilievre campaign.



That, they promised, was never their intention, insisting suggestions of a conspiracy are not even remotely true.

“I have never met Kory Teneycke,” Paul said with a laugh over a coffee at Kettleman’s Bagels on Brown’s Line Wednesday.

Suddenly, a picture dropped of the couple posing with Ford, and the legend got bigger.

“But no one in the media called us to ask,” he said.

They would have told any reporter they got their picture with the premier at a political event.

“I have never had a conversation with Premier Ford about politics at any level,” said Paul.

They helped organize the Meadowvale Business Association breakfast on March 7 (I was there) where Ford spoke. Other than voting for him, they say, they don’t have any connection.


They are, however, federal Conservative Party members who support Poilievre, and want him to win the election. And they were curious about these poll results.

“After weeks of listening to outlandish narratives from the media based on polls done on who knows” what questions and methodology, said Paul, “my wife and I decided to make shirts, hats and a banner. This is no big movement or charge or association of people. It’s just a frustrated couple who believe people should vote on policies of the party they believe will make Canada into the country they would like to live in.”

They decided to stand outside the hall in Brampton before and after the Poilievre rally and talk to people, admitting to being naive as to what could occur.


“It was just a question,” said Paul. “It was a social experiment.”



Since then, they have opened up a lot of dialogue with people and their friends have taken the banner to Montreal and Ottawa and plan to hit other locations in the GTA before election day.

“We are not questioning the electoral process or legitimacy,” said Paul. “We are talking about polling narratives.”

Fair question to ask.

Why do media cover polls like they are an accurate score of a game underway?

I agree with what the Micuccis did here. I have questions about the polling industry, too.

And if polling companies can poll the public, so can the Micuccis. They are nice people who took all of the intrigue in stride in a quest to clarify the matter while reminding us polls are not supposed to set a trend as much as reflect one.

It wasn’t difficult to learn what this enigma was.

Just one cup a coffee and this mysterious message was decoded. There will be no Pulitzer or movie. But there may more people asking the question of questions: Do you believe the polls?
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Chinese bots can take online polls but they can't vote.

Votebot

A votebot is a software automation built to fraudulently participate in online polls, elections, and to upvote and downvote on social media.

Simple votebots are easy to code and deploy, yet they are often effective against many polls online, as the developer of the poll software must take this kind of attack into account and do extra work to defend against it.

 

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Poll Bots: Faking Poll Results With Bots
March 9, 2025

A critical presidential election will happen in the United States in 2024 where voters will encounter a deluge of polls. It’s important to be aware that many of these, particularly online, might be influenced by automated bots.

These bots are programmed to sway public opinion on various topics or political candidates and are prevalent on platforms like X (formerly Twitter), Discord, Reddit, and others. Their results are often picked up and circulated by news organizations across the country, amplifying their impact.

With advancements in AI, poll bots are increasingly able to replicate human voting behaviors, making them more challenging to detect. This article aims to shed light on the nature of these bots, their operational mechanisms, and the steps you can take to identify and mitigate their influence. Understanding poll bots is crucial for maintaining an informed perspective in the face of potential manipulation in online polls and surveys.

What is a poll bot?
A “poll bot” is a software program or bot designed to automatically participate in online polls. These bots can be programmed to cast votes repeatedly in an online poll, usually to sway the results in favor of a particular option. Poll bots are often used in situations where the outcome of an online poll is seen as significant or beneficial to certain groups or individuals.

They can skew the results of a poll, making it unreliable as a measure of genuine public opinion or preference. In some cases, their use can also be illegal, especially if they are used to manipulate public opinion or for fraudulent purposes.

The technology behind these bots can vary, but they typically operate by simulating human interactions with a website, such as clicking on a specific option or filling out a form. Advanced poll bots might use techniques to bypass security measures like CAPTCHAs or IP address checks, which are designed to prevent automated voting.

How do poll bots work?
To make multiple votes possible, poll bots often employ tactics to bypass common online poll security measures. These measures might include CAPTCHA tests, which are designed to distinguish between humans and bots, or systems that track IP addresses to limit the number of votes per user. Advanced poll bots might use optical character recognition to solve CAPTCHAs, or they might employ a network of proxy servers or VPNs to mask and change their IP addresses, allowing them to vote repeatedly without being detected.

In some cases, poll bots are part of larger networks called botnets, which use many computers to generate a high volume of votes. This scalability makes them particularly effective at swaying poll results. However, as online polling systems evolve and implement stricter security measures, poll bot programmers must continuously update their bots to navigate these new defenses.

Example of a poll bot
Below is a poll bot in action. In this case it’s being used to automatically vote on any poll using PollDaddy’s leading polling platform (now “CrowdSignal”). This polling software is used by BBC, Microsoft, Forbes, and others.

6 Example uses of poll bots
here are some example scenarios where poll bots might be used, keeping in mind that these uses are typically unethical and often violate the terms of service of websites:

Influence Public Opinion for Elections: This is a big one. Poll bots can be used to manipulate the results of online polls related to political or social issues. By artificially inflating the support for a particular viewpoint or candidate, the results can give a misleading impression of public opinion.
Win Marketing Promotions: Companies or individuals might use poll bots to win online contests or polls where the results can lead to promotional benefits, like winning awards, gaining visibility, or receiving endorsements.
Boost Popularity Contests: In the entertainment industry, poll bots may be used to influence votes in contests like online music charts, movie awards, or TV show polls, creating a false perception of popularity or fan base size.
Sway Social Media Influence: On Instagram, X (formerly Twitter) and other social media platforms, poll bots can be deployed to sway the results of polls posted by influencers, brands, or media outlets, potentially affecting the perceived popularity or reception of products, services, or ideas.
Manipulate Research Results: In some cases, poll bots might be used to skew online surveys or research polls, affecting the data collected and potentially leading to incorrect conclusions or insights.
Create a False Consensus: Poll bots can be used to create a sense of false consensus around specific issues, products, or beliefs, influencing public perception and discussion.
How to detect if a poll bot has voted
Detecting if a poll bot has voted in an online poll can be challenging, but there are several indicators and methods you can use:

Unusual voting patterns: Sudden surges in votes, especially in a short time frame, can be a red flag. If a particular option in a poll receives an unusually high number of votes in a brief period, it might indicate bot activity.

Consistent voting intervals: Poll bots often vote at regular intervals, which can be more consistent than human voting patterns. Look for patterns in the time stamps of votes.

Similar IP addresses: Multiple votes from the same IP address, or from IP addresses that are known to be proxies or part of a VPN, can suggest bot activity. However, sophisticated bots might use a range of IP addresses to avoid detection.

Votes from unusual geographic locations: If the poll is intended for a specific geographic audience and you receive a large number of votes from outside that region, this might indicate bot activity.

Completion of a hidden form fields: Honeypots are hidden fields that only bots see. Learn more about Honeypots.

Strange CAPTCHA effectiveness: If you have a CAPTCHA in place and still receive an unusually high number of votes, it might suggest that bots are successfully bypassing it.

Behavior that isn’t human-like: Bots often lack the complex behavior patterns of human users, such as navigating through other pages on the site or spending time reading content before voting.

Low engagement rates: Low engagement or interaction rates compared to the number of votes (like comments or shares) can be another sign of bot activity.

Use web analytics tools: Web analytics tools can provide insights into traffic patterns and user behavior that may indicate bot activity.

Consider AI tools: Advanced detection might involve using AI and machine learning algorithms that can analyze voting patterns and identify anomalies that suggest bot activity.
 

bob the dog

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If polls are true it'll be minority Govt for one of the two. Well be back at the polls within 9 months.
A Western party with 50 seats would hold a lot of power and would need to be catered to. For some reason election after election we don't bother to find out.

All for One and the One for themselves only works for a few hundred years. It's been downhill since 1965 and is as close to rock bottom as it has ever been imo.
 

petros

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A Western party with 50 seats would hold a lot of power and would need to be catered to. For some reason election after election we don't bother to find out.

All for One and the One for themselves only works for a few hundred years. It's been downhill since 1965 and is as close to rock bottom as it has ever been imo.
Canada as we know it will end within our lifetimes. 5-10 years.