Omnibus Russia Ukraine crisis

Jinentonix

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We tried for change when we created the Reform Party . How did that work ?
I dunno, maybe because the Reform Party was primarily concerned with Western Canada. So basically just another party that favoured a specific region. It's why the BQ don't get any votes outside of Quebec.
And the Reform Party blew its chance. They crowed about how they were going to take pay cuts, until no one else in Parliament wanted to go along with it. So, instead of leading by example, they just lined up at the trough. All they did was prove they had the same greedy, selfish mentality as every other party MP.
If you wanna try to reform something, you actually have to act.
 
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Jinentonix

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I know, right? I surely do miss the good ol' days of plague, war, famine, and lesser legal status for anybody not a straight White Christian man.
Fuck, you really are clueless. The decline also includes countries like Japan, China, South Korea. It's economic decline, population decline, a decline in standards, societal decline, got nothing to do with religion of any sort ya mealy mouthed fuckwit.
 

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Former President of Poland Lech Walesa wrote the following letter to Trump.

Your Excellency, Mr. President,

We watched the report of your conversation with the President of Ukraine, Volodymyr Zelensky, with fear and distaste. We find it insulting that you expect Ukraine to show respect and gratitude for the material assistance provided by the United States in its fight against russia. Gratitude is owed to the heroic Ukrainian soldiers who shed their blood in defense of the values of the free world. They have been dying on the front lines for more than 11 years in the name of these values and the independence of their homeland, which was attacked by Putin’s russia.

We do not understand how the leader of a country that symbolizes the free world cannot recognize this.

Our alarm was also heightened by the atmosphere in the Oval Office during this conversation, which reminded us of the interrogations we endured at the hands of the Security Services and the debates in Communist courts. Prosecutors and judges, acting on behalf of the all-powerful communist political police, would explain to us that they held all the power while we held none. They demanded that we cease our activities, arguing that thousands of innocent people suffered because of us. They stripped us of our freedoms and civil rights because we refused to cooperate with the government or express gratitude for our oppression. We are shocked that President Volodymyr Zelensky was treated in the same manner.

The history of the 20th century shows that whenever the United States sought to distance itself from democratic values and its European allies, it ultimately became a threat to itself. President Woodrow Wilson understood this when he decided in 1917 that the United States must join World War I. President Franklin Delano Roosevelt understood this when, after the attack on Pearl Harbor in December 1941, he resolved that the war to defend America must be fought not only in the Pacific but also in Europe, in alliance with the nations under attack by the Third Reich.

We remember that without President Ronald Reagan and America’s financial commitment, the collapse of the Soviet empire would not have been possible. President Reagan recognized that millions of enslaved people suffered in Soviet russia and the countries it had subjugated, including thousands of political prisoners who paid for their defense of democratic values with their freedom. His greatness lay, among other things, in his unwavering decision to call the USSR an “Empire of Evil” and to fight it decisively. We won, and today, the statue of President Ronald Reagan stands in Warsaw, facing the U.S. Embassy.
Mr. President, material aid—military and financial—can never be equated with the blood shed in the name of Ukraine’s independence and the freedom of Europe and the entire free world. Human life is priceless; its value cannot be measured in money. Gratitude is due to those who sacrifice their blood and their freedom. This is self-evident to us, the people of Solidarity, former political prisoners of the communist regime under Soviet russia.

We call on the United States to uphold the guarantees made alongside Great Britain in the 1994 Budapest Memorandum, which established a direct obligation to defend Ukraine’s territorial integrity in exchange for its relinquishment of nuclear weapons. These guarantees are unconditional—there is no mention of treating such assistance as an economic transaction.

Signed,

Lech Wałęsa, former political prisoner, President of Polandand



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pgs

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I dunno, maybe because the Reform Party was primarily concerned with Western Canada. So basically just another party that favoured a specific region. It's why the BQ don't get any votes outside of Quebec.
And the Reform Party blew its chance. They crowed about how they were going to take pay cuts, until no one else in Parliament wanted to go along with it. So, instead of leading by example, they just lined up at the trough. All they did was prove they had the same greedy, selfish mentality as every other party MP.
If you wanna try to reform something, you actually have to act.
Revitionist history is always so funny . We acted but let squishes like you convince our back room thar we needed to be a national entity and allowed the disaffected liberal progressives to swamp our movement . We did at least realize some gains with Harper until the squishes got his ear .
The most effective party in Parliment these last twenty or so years is the regional Québécois .
 
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Ron in Regina

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Well, this shines "a new light" on the Oval Office spat on Friday between Zelensky and the US president and vice-president, which Merezhko called "an attempt to find justification" to stop the military aid.

"It was a show, you know, deliberately played," he added.
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petros

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Well, this shines "a new light" on the Oval Office spat on Friday between Zelensky and the US president and vice-president, which Merezhko called "an attempt to find justification" to stop the military aid.

"It was a show, you know, deliberately played," he added.
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Europe is going to make this a NATO war. France Germany UK and Canada (huge NATO leadership role) are ramping up and have been since before the MAGA Circus set up the tents 6 weeks ago.

Is it Don Jr and Elon investing in European arms manufacturing? Its been doing well.

They are hiring in Canada.


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Will Trump walk away from NATO Article 5 obligations? Take a backseat role? Go along fully while repeating "I didnt start this. Im a peacenik. I tried to stop all the dieing" the entire time?
 

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Some saying it was all planned for Zelensky to walk into a trap with Trump and JD. Conspiracy theory thinking says maybe Zelensky was in on it as well and his role was to play the victim in order for Trump to gain trust with Putin. Stay tuned to your Bat channel for more developments.
 

petros

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Some saying it was all planned for Zelensky to walk into a trap with Trump and JD. Conspiracy theory thinking says maybe Zelensky was in on it as well and his role was to play the victim in order for Trump to gain trust with Putin. Stay tuned to your Bat channel for more developments.
Europe want to finish Russia off and move NATO and French nukes into Ukraine.
 

Taxslave2

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If either Trump or poo tin wind up dead, there will be a significant change in the outcome.
If western Europe actually cared about Eastern Europe, besides cheap fuel, this war would have been long over.
 

Ron in Regina

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…But it's clear what the White House wants from Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelensky in return.

‘Would that be, “Surrendering another 20% of its nation, after already having a chunk annexed in 2014, & $500,000,000,000.00-ish of its resources to America” for $200 Alex?’
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