The Tarriff Hype.

[petros]

Why? Did we stop China from using us as a 3rd country exporter to avoid US tariffs and bans on various Chinese products? Have we clamped down on the fentanyl bullshit? Because if I recall that was Trump's original complaint and it's a fucking valid one.

I dunno where his rambling about a $200 billion trade deficit comes from (it's actually more like $43 billion) or why he keeps confusing deficit with subsidy. Hell, when it comes to America's trading partners, we don't even crack the top 5 when it comes to America's deficit trade gap.

And we do have one thing the US needs; oil. He basically admitted it in his first term when he signed onto the Keystone XL. We account for something like 60% of America's oil imports. A sizable portion of their refining industry is set up to refine heavy Canadian crude. 10's of thousands of American jobs depend on Canadian crude. We have 1/9 the population of the US while holding more than 7x the proven oil reserves than the US. It's a nice, safe, blood-free supply where the US doesn't have to heavily invest in a military presence to keep it securely in trusted hands. That's gotta be worth a few billion a year in savings for them right there.

How does China fit into the Trump threat beyond fentanyl precursors? What shit is being funneled through Canada. Maybe your stuck on that from 8 years ago during the last Trump term?

It took a month for Canadian media to finally do a story on the $1.3B border and fentanyl cash that came into reality on Dec 17th. Homan was happy. If Homan is happy, Trump is happy.

Did you miss it? I first heard of it from BBC back in Mid Dec. CTV just did a story a few days ago. I posted both in this thread AND GoC website outlining the ins and outs. Is the cash cow for media waning?

Canada announces new border rules following Trump tariff threat

Dec 17, 2024 — The government has pledged a joint "strike force" and 24/7 aerial surveillance, as well as a host of other measures


Canada.ca
https://www.canada.ca › 2024/12
significant investments to strengthen border security and our immigration system

Dec 18, 2024 — Canada is investing $1.3 billion to bolster security at the border and strengthen the immigration system, all while keeping Canadians safe.

Canada highlights new helicopters, border measures amid Trump concerns​

Published: January 15, 2025 at 10:21AM EST

The federal government took steps Wednesday to roll out measures on protecting the Canada-U.S. border, addressing a key demand from Donald Trump.

The Canadian government has laid out a suite of new measures it says will reduce the flow of illegal migrants and illicit drugs over the border, with just days to go before U.S. president-elect Donald Trump’s inauguration.

The announcement came amid Trump’s looming threat of imposing blanket 25 per cent tariffs on all imports from Canada, and just ahead of the first in-person meeting between Canada’s premiers and Prime Minister Justin Trudeau in nearly two years.

Why did they wait a month?

 

[Ron in Regina]

With parliament being prorogued Jan 6th, did that kill the above pledge to join this “strike force?”

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

With parliament being prorogued Jan 6th, did that kill the above pledge to join this “strike force?”

Oh dear. Are we already down to using Hugh Jackman-movie tough-guy talk?

This won't go well. Point of fact, it probably won't go at all.

 

[petros]

Then what’s all the sabre rattling about? Trudeau and 12 of 13 premiers agreed on Wednesday to form a united front and get behind a pledge that "everything" is on the table in Ottawa's effort to fight a potential tariff war, including restrictions on or higher costs for Canadian oil and gas shipped to the U.S.

Its called cutting popularity and posturing hay when the sun is shining.

You already read the linked quotes of Homan being happy. Did you forget?

Its also in our media that 5 million people have to leave Canada within the next 346 days. Trump and Homan know this and dont want them coming to the US. Its expected only 1 in 10 will leave voluntarily.

 

[petros]

With parliament being prorogued Jan 6th, did that kill the above pledge to join this “strike force?”

No. Its a done deal as posted, quoted and linked.

From GoC dated Dec 16

The Government of Canada’s Border Plan: significant investments to strengthen border security and our immigration system - Canada.ca

Canada is investing $1.3 billion to bolster security at the border and strengthen the immigration system, all while keeping Canadians safe.

www.canada.ca

 

[Jinentonix]

How does China fit into the Trump threat beyond fentanyl precursors? What shit is being funneled through Canada. Maybe your stuck on that from 8 years ago during the last Trump term?

Uh, no. China exports goods to Canada to be repackaged as "Product of Canada" and exports those goods from Canada to the US to evade tariffs and bans on various Chinese goods. The practice continues to this day.

 

[petros]

Uh, no. China exports goods to Canada to be repackaged as "Product of Canada" and exports those goods from Canada to the US to evade tariffs and bans on various Chinese goods. The practice continues to this day.

And where is that on "Grumpy Don's I Hate Canada list"? Before border security and fenty or after? One its own maybe?

Trump vows new Canada, Mexico, China tariffs that threaten global trade​

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Nov 25 (Reuters) - President-elect Donald Trump on Monday pledged big tariffs on the United States' three largest trading partners - Canada, Mexico and China - detailing how he will implement campaign promises that could trigger trade wars.​

Trump, who takes office on Jan. 20, said he would impose a 25% tariff on imports from Canada and Mexico until they clamped down on drugs, particularly fentanyl, and migrants crossing the border, in a move that would appear to violate a free-trade deal.

Trump separately outlined "an additional 10% tariff, above any additional tariffs" on imports from China. It was not entirely clear what this would mean for China as he has previously pledged to end China's most-favored-nation trading status and slap tariffs on Chinese imports in excess of 60% - much higher than those imposed during his first term.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-promises-25-tariff-products-mexico-canada-2024-11-25/

 

[petros]

RCMP leases Blackhawk helicopters, buys more drones to boost surveillance on Canada-U.S.

Cuz tariffs are inevitable woop woop woop woop. Did they lease these for shits and giggles?

RCMP leases Blackhawk helicopters, buys more drones to boost surveillance on Canada-U.S. border

Marie Woolf
Ottawa

Published January 15, 2025

The RCMP is set to deploy two Blackhawk military helicopters it has leased from a private company to patrol the U.S.-Canada border, and is mobilizing 60 more drones to help catch people crossing illegally, the force announced Wednesday.

The twin-engine military helicopters, leased from an Ottawa company to supplement the nine helicopters already used by the RCMP to patrol the border, are due to start patrols on Friday, said senior deputy commissioner Bryan Larkin at an Ottawa press conference.

Mr. Larkin said the lease of the Blackhawk helicopters would cost $5.3-million. The RCMP is also investing in surveillance towers, as well as counterdrone surveillance systems, to enhance the work of RCMP border patrols on the ground.

He said the Blackhawks will allow the RCMP to move officers swiftly between provinces, unlike some other helicopters in its existing fleet. “The addition of the two helicopters will give us significant coast to coast to coast coverage,” he said.

Quebec is ready to deploy 300 officers at border if illegal crossings into U.S. rise

Erin O’Gorman, president of Canada Border Services Agency, said the agency was using money allocated this fiscal year from a six-year, $1.3-billion package announced by the government last month to buy more scanning equipment for use at regular border crossings, including X-ray machines and equipment capable of detecting illegal drugs.

Public Safety Minister David McGuinty said at the press conference: “We have deployed 60 new drones along our border with the United States, and we will be deploying additional surveillance towers. We are acquiring new technology such as X-rays, mobile X-rays, and handheld chemical analyzers. As of this week, we are deploying new helicopters at the Canada-U.S. border.”

The reinforcement of Canada’s border follows a threat by president-elect Donald Trump to impose 25-per-cent tariffs on all imports from Canada unless the country does more to stop drug smuggling and illegal immigrants.

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RCMP leases Blackhawk helicopters, buys more drones to boost surveillance on Canada-U.S. border

The reinforcement of the border follows a threat by president-elect Donald Trump to impose tariffs on all imports from Canada unless the country does more to stop drug smuggling and illegal immigrants

www.theglobeandmail.com

 

[Taxslave2]

He talks a lot. Not much follow-through. Trump doesn't have policies, he has applause lines. All along the theme of "You've been cheated/hurt/robbed, and I'm gonna get vengeance for you!" He'll probably impose some tariffs and claim victory, but it'll be a small fraction of what he's threatening.

It is called negotiating. The proper response from Canada would have been 100% export tax on all natural resources and 100% import tax on all dairy products.

 

[Taxslave2]

I understand that your local potentate has a significant impact on your life, but he hardly compares to the once-and-future most powerful man on Earth.

Legal question. Does Trump have the authority to override trade agreements and impose a new tax on imports? Or is he just stirring the pot?

 

[Taxslave2]

How does China fit into the Trump threat beyond fentanyl precursors? What shit is being funneled through Canada.

Aluminum and steel was being bought by Canadian companies from China and exported to the US. I don’t know if it still is or not.

 

[Ron in Regina]

RCMP leases Blackhawk helicopters, buys more drones to boost surveillance on Canada-U.S.

Cuz tariffs are inevitable woop woop woop woop. Did they lease these for shits and giggles?

RCMP leases Blackhawk helicopters, buys more drones to boost surveillance on Canada-U.S. border

Marie Woolf
Ottawa

Published January 15, 2025

The RCMP is set to deploy two Blackhawk military helicopters it has leased from a private company to patrol the U.S.-Canada border, and is mobilizing 60 more drones to help catch people crossing illegally, the force announced Wednesday.

The twin-engine military helicopters, leased from an Ottawa company to supplement the nine helicopters already used by the RCMP to patrol the border, are due to start patrols on Friday, said senior deputy commissioner Bryan Larkin at an Ottawa press conference.

Mr. Larkin said the lease of the Blackhawk helicopters would cost $5.3-million. The RCMP is also investing in surveillance towers, as well as counterdrone surveillance systems, to enhance the work of RCMP border patrols on the ground.

He said the Blackhawks will allow the RCMP to move officers swiftly between provinces, unlike some other helicopters in its existing fleet. “The addition of the two helicopters will give us significant coast to coast to coast coverage,” he said.

Quebec is ready to deploy 300 officers at border if illegal crossings into U.S. rise

Erin O’Gorman, president of Canada Border Services Agency, said the agency was using money allocated this fiscal year from a six-year, $1.3-billion package announced by the government last month to buy more scanning equipment for use at regular border crossings, including X-ray machines and equipment capable of detecting illegal drugs.

Public Safety Minister David McGuinty said at the press conference: “We have deployed 60 new drones along our border with the United States, and we will be deploying additional surveillance towers. We are acquiring new technology such as X-rays, mobile X-rays, and handheld chemical analyzers. As of this week, we are deploying new helicopters at the Canada-U.S. border.”

The reinforcement of Canada’s border follows a threat by president-elect Donald Trump to impose 25-per-cent tariffs on all imports from Canada unless the country does more to stop drug smuggling and illegal immigrants.

More

RCMP leases Blackhawk helicopters, buys more drones to boost surveillance on Canada-U.S. border

The reinforcement of the border follows a threat by president-elect Donald Trump to impose tariffs on all imports from Canada unless the country does more to stop drug smuggling and illegal immigrants

www.theglobeandmail.com

It’s nice to see steps towards this being taken seriously.

It is called negotiating. The proper response from Canada would have been 100% export tax on all natural resources and 100% import tax on all dairy products.

With several exceptions, for the most part, American is the dog, & Canada is the tail. We’re physically connected to one nation, , across oceans from all others, with our economy intertwined with the US’s after more than a century of previous trade, & we’re 1/10-ish the population.

 

[Ron in Regina]

Aluminum and steel was being bought by Canadian companies from China and exported to the US. I don’t know if it still is or not.

I think that was kiboshed due to tariffs.

 

[petros]

Aluminum and steel was being bought by Canadian companies from China and exported to the US. I don’t know if it still is or not.

That was 10 years ago. It was shitty steel from Vietnam and China. Aluminum came and went.

 

[petros]

It is called negotiating. The proper response from Canada would have been 100% export tax on all natural resources and 100% import tax on all dairy products.

There wont be any tariffs but you can expect shiny new pipelines.

A word to get used to;

noun
noun: isolationism
a policy of remaining apart from the affairs or interests of other groups, especially the political affairs of other countries.
"the country chose a policy of isolationism that made it a secondary player in world political events"

 

[Taxslave2]

I’m good with new pipelines. Lots of them. Currently, there are about 600 union operators on the board in BC. Some, naturally are working none union, and some are enjoying a winter off. But right now BC has no major projects in the works.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Legal question. Does Trump have the authority to override trade agreements and impose a new tax on imports? Or is he just stirring the pot?

Depends on the form the trade agreement took. If it was an Executive Order, he can rescind it with the stroke of a pen. If it's part of a treaty, he'd have to undo the treaty. Longer process, and needs Congress to agree. But even within trade treaties, the level of tariffs is largely within the discretion of the President.

So the short answer is "Yes, with some limits and politicking."

 

[Ron in Regina]

“Federal government officials continue to publicly and privately float the idea of cutting off energy supply to the U.S. and imposing export tariffs on Alberta energy and other products to the United States,” Ms. Smith said in a post on X following the first ministers’ meeting in Ottawa.

“Until these threats cease, Alberta will not be able to fully support the federal government’s plan in dealing with the threatened tariffs. Alberta will simply not agree to export tariffs on our energy or other products, nor do we support a ban on exports of these same products,” she said.

Smith says No to Team Canada and this unleashes a cross-country temper tantrum, appearing to be mostly people who hate conservatives and hate Smith already. So selfish says Trudeau. Not a team player. The premier is trying to explain why she is doing what she is doing and why many Albertans feel the way they do.

For those from outside Alberta, the NEP, though it was decades ago, is a symbol of how Ottawa, how the folks down east, screwed Alberta royally.

Smith outlines all the wreckage of the NEP, or as she puts it, the last time a Trudeau slapped an export tax on Alberta energy.

Jobs gone, Homes lost. Bankruptcies through the roof, people leaving the province, a multi-year recession. Ugliness brought about at the hands of our own country, via Ottawa Liberals.

The premier now vows not to sell out Albertans to another Trudeau export tax on energy, the very tax Team Canada, under the leadership of Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, agrees might have to be rolled out in the trade war with Trump. It is the very reason Smith would not join Team Canada.

“His dad crushed the lives of thousands in our province. We won’t let his son do it to our people again. Never,” says Smith. Pierre Trudeau. Justin Trudeau. Father and son. Strong stuff. The stuff you still hear around coffee shops in Alberta. “We will not sacrifice the livelihoods and futures of tens of thousands of Albertans to another Trudeau’s attack on our province in order to appease eastern elites and politicians losing their collective minds over our refusal to sell out our own people.”

“Not … going … to … happen.”

Bell: Smith vows she will never sell out Albertans to a Trudeau tax on oil — Calgary Herald

Alberta Premier Danielle Smith will not be retracting her latest comments, she'll be saying more. Just wait.

apple.news

Smith wants Alberta oil and Albertans to get some respect. Get pipelines built. Get more oil and gas to places beyond the U.S. Kill all the anti-oilpatch laws the province and the industry have had to endure at the hands of hostile politicians. Recognize the hundreds of billions of Alberta dollars transferred to others in Canada as part of “Team Canada” over the decades, not just the last couple of days like Liberal accusations.

Trudeau is such a putz. Danielle Smith wanting to secure the border and build bridges rather than tear them down? So not a team player.

 

[petros]

There w

Smith says No to Team Canada and this unleashes a cross-country temper tantrum, appearing to be mostly people who hate conservatives and hate Smith already. So selfish says Trudeau. Not a team player. The premier is trying to explain why she is doing what she is doing and why many Albertans feel the way they do.

For those from outside Alberta, the NEP, though it was decades ago, is a symbol of how Ottawa, how the folks down east, screwed Alberta royally.

Smith outlines all the wreckage of the NEP, or as she puts it, the last time a Trudeau slapped an export tax on Alberta energy.

Jobs gone, Homes lost. Bankruptcies through the roof, people leaving the province, a multi-year recession. Ugliness brought about at the hands of our own country, via Ottawa Liberals.

The premier now vows not to sell out Albertans to another Trudeau export tax on energy, the very tax Team Canada, under the leadership of Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, agrees might have to be rolled out in the trade war with Trump. It is the very reason Smith would not join Team Canada.
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“His dad crushed the lives of thousands in our province. We won’t let his son do it to our people again. Never,” says Smith. Pierre Trudeau. Justin Trudeau. Father and son. Strong stuff. The stuff you still hear around coffee shops in Alberta. “We will not sacrifice the livelihoods and futures of tens of thousands of Albertans to another Trudeau’s attack on our province in order to appease eastern elites and politicians losing their collective minds over our refusal to sell out our own people.”

“Not … going … to … happen.”

Bell: Smith vows she will never sell out Albertans to a Trudeau tax on oil — Calgary Herald

Alberta Premier Danielle Smith will not be retracting her latest comments, she'll be saying more. Just wait.

apple.news

Smith wants Alberta oil and Albertans to get some respect. Get pipelines built. Get more oil and gas to places beyond the U.S. Kill all the anti-oilpatch laws the province and the industry have had to endure at the hands of hostile politicians. Recognize the hundreds of billions of Alberta dollars transferred to others in Canada as part of “Team Canada” over the decades, not just the last couple of days like Liberal accusations.

What will they do when tariffs dont happen as advertised for the past 10 weeks?

 

[Ron in Regina]

There w

What will they do when tariffs dont happen as advertised for the past 10 weeks?

React in hindsight like always? 25% on everything will turn into 10% on some things. One of those “some things” isn’t going to be the petroleum industry, but it’s gonna be drawn in to firewall ON & QB.