Course it wasn't rigged then! It's never rigged when the Cons are in power.
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Course it wasn't rigged then! It's never rigged when the Cons are in power.
No it wouldn’t. You live in a tiny Province. You have no idea what a large rural riding is. The entire North half of Vancouver Island has ONE MP, while Victoria area has several. Seeing the disparity yet?
It has been rigged since Confederation. Moreover many laws regarding commerce are rigged in favour of Central Canada. Up until around the 1970s there was no real difference between the two parties, other than who got the graft. Dairy farmers in BC are forced to dump excess milk on the ground to protect cheese manufacturers in Quebec due to supply side management. They are not allowed to sell to a local cheese producer of their choice. It is illegal to buy a case of beer in one province for consumption in another province. For about 100 years we had a mandatory freight rate known as the Crow Rate that stipulated a higher rate to ship manufactured goods East on the same rail cars that brought OntatiOWE and Quebec goods Wst.Stupid shit like this.
So you'll hate Poilievre because he was put into power by the "rigged" system?
What a fucked-up country you have. But I suppose most of you like that. Either that or you're singularly ineffectual in doing anything about it.
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Sure, it's "tiny", even by population standards, but that doesn't make us less "rural".
That doesn't change the fact that just because a place is rural doesn't mean it should somehow get more, without the numbers of people to legitimize the extra representation.
So what's the breakdown of Vancouver Island into it's districts/ridings, by population, vs that of Victoria?
Break it down.
According to Stat's Can, the total population for Van. Island is 864,864 as of 2021. ~400,000 live in/around Victoria.
Break it down more:
Vancouver Island - Wikipedia
The majority of Vancouver Island's population lives in the Capital Regional District, more specifically in the primate city and the provincial capital of Victoria. With a population of 397,237 (2021), Greater Victoria is the island's largest population centre and one of its two census metropolitan areas. The island's other metropolitan area is Nanaimo, which has a population of 115,459 as of 2021.[36] There are also five census agglomeration areas (Alberni Valley, Campbell River, Comox Valley, Cowichan Valley, and Oceanside) as defined by Statistics Canada.
Okay, so with that cleared up.
The electoral districts on the Island.
So I take it when you talk of North Vancouver Island, you mean North Island/Powell River?
Break that down:
Last Census was 2021 and it recorded 111,825 people living in the district.
(But just in case, gonna throw in Courtenay-Alberni too, with 125,116 as of 2021)
Now, what 'bout that "Victoria" area (I'm going to assume you mean Victoria itself, and the other districts surrounding it?)
First the need to point out that yes, the south DOES have more people, that's a fact.
What's ALSO a fact is it's not all just one combined area, but the region is broken up into its own districts. Each of those have an MP of their own.
The numbers of people in those districts:
Victoria itself: 91,867 (oh shit, looks like this district should be re-zoned! It's actually underrepresented compared to all others)
The Saanich-Gulf Island: 113,541
Esquimalt-Saanich-Sooke: 128,644
Now that's the Immediate Victoria "area".
But what the hell, let's throw in the other districts.
Nanimo-Ladysmith: 134,509
Cowichan-Malahaj-Langford: 124,247
Note that in 2022 there was a look at redistricting in BC.
https://redecoupage-redistribution-2022.ca/com/bc/prop/othaut/int_e.aspx
FYI, here's how things are broken up by Elections Canada:
House of Commons Seat Allocation by Province 2022–2032
Information on the readjustment of electoral boundaries and representation in the House of Commons of Canada.
www.elections.ca
NB has 7 total seats for our population. Guess how many just Van. Island has on its own?
7.
But it's only PART of the Province. You still have 36 seats left to fill from the mainland. 7 is ALL NB gets. So yeah, we're tiny, but we're RURAL. So is NS, so is PEI, so is NL.
Add it all up, our pitiful 23 voices get squashed by your 43. Hell, the Maritimes only beat Saskatchewan and Manitoba combined only by 1. Individually, NS beats us out by 2, thanks to their population growth.
After all that, the only thing to say is...
No, the North does NOT need any further representation, as what it currently has is EQUAL to what is already in the South, per population.
What the issue is, is that those voting in the south are voting for the parties YOU don't like, and that has you butthurt and thinking that they're over-represented.
Again, you want more people to represent a region, bring in more people to live there, drive up the numbers, get more districts made and push for the party you want in, to be in.
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It is and always has been tilted in favour of one part of the country . But even our natural governing liberals piss enough people off to swing elections .
Yet another totally clueless post. But thanks for confirming what I posted. Half the island has 1 MP, while the other half has 6. Exactly that large rural ridings are underrepresented, and indeed dicktated to by small multiple ridings in overpopulated areas. This is called mob rule, not democracy.Sure, it's "tiny", even by population standards, but that doesn't make us less "rural".
That doesn't change the fact that just because a place is rural doesn't mean it should somehow get more, without the numbers of people to legitimize the extra representation.
So what's the breakdown of Vancouver Island into it's districts/ridings, by population, vs that of Victoria?
Break it down.
According to Stat's Can, the total population for Van. Island is 864,864 as of 2021. ~400,000 live in/around Victoria.
Break it down more:
Vancouver Island - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
The majority of Vancouver Island's population lives in the Capital Regional District, more specifically in the primate city and the provincial capital of Victoria. With a population of 397,237 (2021), Greater Victoria is the island's largest population centre and one of its two census metropolitan areas. The island's other metropolitan area is Nanaimo, which has a population of 115,459 as of 2021.[36] There are also five census agglomeration areas (Alberni Valley, Campbell River, Comox Valley, Cowichan Valley, and Oceanside) as defined by Statistics Canada.
Okay, so with that cleared up.
The electoral districts on the Island.
So I take it when you talk of North Vancouver Island, you mean North Island/Powell River?
Break that down:
Last Census was 2021 and it recorded 111,825 people living in the district.
(But just in case, gonna throw in Courtenay-Alberni too, with 125,116 as of 2021)
Now, what 'bout that "Victoria" area (I'm going to assume you mean Victoria itself, and the other districts surrounding it?)
First the need to point out that yes, the south DOES have more people, that's a fact.
What's ALSO a fact is it's not all just one combined area, but the region is broken up into its own districts. Each of those have an MP of their own.
The numbers of people in those districts:
Victoria itself: 91,867 (oh shit, looks like this district should be re-zoned! It's actually underrepresented compared to all others)
The Saanich-Gulf Island: 113,541
Esquimalt-Saanich-Sooke: 128,644
Now that's the Immediate Victoria "area".
But what the hell, let's throw in the other districts.
Nanimo-Ladysmith: 134,509
Cowichan-Malahaj-Langford: 124,247
Note that in 2022 there was a look at redistricting in BC.
https://redecoupage-redistribution-2022.ca/com/bc/prop/othaut/int_e.aspx
FYI, here's how things are broken up by Elections Canada:
House of Commons Seat Allocation by Province 2022–2032
Information on the readjustment of electoral boundaries and representation in the House of Commons of Canada.www.elections.ca
NB has 7 total seats for our population. Guess how many just Van. Island has on its own?
7.
But it's only PART of the Province. You still have 36 seats left to fill from the mainland. 7 is ALL NB gets. So yeah, we're tiny, but we're RURAL. So is NS, so is PEI, so is NL.
Add it all up, our pitiful 23 voices get squashed by your 43. Hell, the Maritimes only beat Saskatchewan and Manitoba combined only by 1. Individually, NS beats us out by 2, thanks to their population growth.
After all that, the only thing to say is...
No, the North does NOT need any further representation, as what it currently has is EQUAL to what is already in the South, per population.
What the issue is, is that those voting in the south are voting for the parties YOU don't like, and that has you butthurt and thinking that they're over-represented.
Again, you want more people to represent a region, bring in more people to live there, drive up the numbers, get more districts made and push for the party you want in, to be in.
Powell River ( my hometown) is currently North Island, but is like a redhaired stepchild. It gets moved around whenever someone 2500 miles away fiddles with riding size. At one point, it was even included with Chilcotin, a complete mountain range away with no direct transportation other than air.
No true. I think all areas should have equal representation. Rep by pop only works when all ridings are roughly the same size. One MP representing 20 or more distinct communities is not the same as one MP representing 20 square blocks.
Yes, why do you keep posting them?
Actually, I countered what you posted.
No.
Half the Island has 2 if you want to go that route.
No.
The other half has five other districts, each with one MP.
That's how the system works all over Canada.
Perhaps you need to look at the post again. As of 2021, Victoria's district has the LEAST population compared to even your area of BC.
That's not under-representation, that's what it should be (or was, as noted there is redistricting going on)
Well you're the dick that's saying this so...
Again, look at the population numbers.
Not small; all within a relatively similar range. But sure, there could be some movement to add/remove people, though I'm sure you'd probably throw a fit about that?
It's called get the fuck over it, it's like that all across Canada.
But I could agree that this isn't really democracy.
Then move.
Again, move.
Or don't move, instead push to get better redistricting.
Whine, whine, whine...
My area? My home town is a small English town, surrounded by a LOT of French. Even if Federally someone did want to vote PC, it's a snowball's chance in hell of happening, because in NB, French = Liberal. Even provincially, if you're not Con or Lib, you're fucked for anything.
But Federally, short of something huge changing, we're stuck in a mostly French district. And it sucks. Fact is, we've only had ONE non-Liberal MP once; voted in as an NDP, she flipped to Con and as payback, it went Lib.
You wanna complain about "Fair", none of that is.
What you won't get an argument from me on is that we need electoral reform. But what kind is the issue.
Giving random numbers of extra seats to places because you think they're somehow 'under represented' isn't the way. Because in the end, it's still the VOTER who will decide who gets in.
Yes, they all are, and they all talk about proportional representation until they're elected.
As, for Trump, looks like Biden made the call, but the shooter was cross eyed.
As, for Trump, looks like Biden made the call, but the shooter was cross eyed.
Well, they did warn ya if ya don't stop it, you'll go blind.
And she'll be reversed on Appeal.
But this wasn't a shock to anyone paying attention.
Special councils have been lawful for a century.
Her doing this though... it might just get her removed from the case. Which would lead to an actual Impartial Judge being put in.