Supreme Court Ruling on if a sitting president can be charged.

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

Allow me: the Court held that there are three categories of immunity for a President's actions:

Absolute immunity for any acts that fall within the exclusive Constitutional purview of the President. Examples would be negotiating treaties and ordering the armed forces.

Presumptive immunity (but the presumption can be overcome upon a sufficient showing that the act was not "in his official capacity") for other acts where the President shares responsibility with Congress (i.e,, the President is subject to laws passed by Congress in how the Pres carries out the duties). For example, spending allocated funds for purposes outside the allocation.

No immunity for "purely private" conduct, even though he's the Pres. An example would be if he finds someone's wife at a state dinner attractive and "grabs her by the pussy."

There's about a gazillion shades of grey in there, and it will no doubt play out for the next several decades.

Thanks.
I always thought you folks would have mechanisms in place to keep a felon from running for president.
Big win for felons.

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

Why , it is obvious that gunning down people in the street is not in the Presidents job description . Over the top scenarios do not foster serious discussion . Sorry if it seems like I am targeting you , but only because I feel you are too smart yet allow vested interests to inform your opinion .

Sorry, I didn't realize that I wasn't being smart enough by letting others form my opinions instead of yours?
Are you for fucking real?

 

[pgs]

Sorry, I didn't realize that I wasn't being smart enough by letting others form my opinions instead of yours?
Are you for fucking real?

Yes . Very real . Evil orange man , such a disgrace that he was the only president in your life that didn’t send soldiers off to die . History will remember the Donald far more favourably then you will .

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Thanks.
I always thought you folks would have mechanisms in place to keep a felon from running for president.
Big win for felons.

For better or for worse, the Supreme Court long ago ruled that the list of qualifications for Federal government positions in the Constitution is exclusive, and can only be added to by Constitutional amendment. For President, that's:

35 or older
Natural-born citizen
14 consecutive years of residency in the U.S. prior to election.

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

Yes . Very real . Evil orange man , such a disgrace that he was the only president in your life that didn’t send soldiers off to die . History will remember the Donald far more favourably then you will .

History will remember it as the time America abandoned its standards for president.

So when he gave the order to march on the Capital on Jan6th and got people killed he wasn't acting as president.
Perfect.
Throw fuckhead in jail.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

History will remember it as the time America abandoned its standards for president.

So when he gave the order to march on the Capital on Jan6th and got people killed he wasn't acting as president.
Perfect.
Throw fuckhead in jail.

We don't know. Again. . .

"Core Constitutional powers" - absolute immunity. Probably not that.

"Within the outer perimeter of his official responsibility" - rebuttable presumption of immunity. "At a minimum, the President must be immune from prosecution for an official act unless the Government can show that applying a criminal prohibition to that act would pose no 'dangers of intrusion on the authority and functions of the Executive Branch.'"

"As for a President’s unofficial acts, there is no immunity."

To decide which this is. . .

"The first step in deciding whether a former President is entitled to immunity from a particular prosecution is to distinguish his official from unofficial actions. . . Determining whether an action is covered by immunity thus begins with assessing the President’s authority to take that action. But the breadth of the President’s 'discretionary responsibilities' under the Constitution and laws of the United States frequently makes it 'difficult to determine which of [his] innumerable ‘functions’ encompassed a particular action.' The immunity the Court has recognized therefore extends to the 'outer perimeter' of the President’s official responsibilities, covering actions so long as they are 'not manifestly or palpably beyond [his] authority. . ."

Personally, I'd call exhorting (ordering?) a crowd of violent morons to attack the Congress "unofficial." But I'm not a bought-and-paid-for lackey in a black robe.

 

[Taxslave2]

Allow me: the Court held that there are three categories of immunity for a President's actions:

Absolute immunity for any acts that fall within the exclusive Constitutional purview of the President. Examples would be negotiating treaties and ordering the armed forces.

Presumptive immunity (but the presumption can be overcome upon a sufficient showing that the act was not "in his official capacity") for other acts where the President shares responsibility with Congress (i.e,, the President is subject to laws passed by Congress in how the Pres carries out the duties). For example, spending allocated funds for purposes outside the allocation.

No immunity for "purely private" conduct, even though he's the Pres. An example would be if he finds someone's wife at a state dinner attractive and "grabs her by the pussy."

There's about a gazillion shades of grey in there, and it will no doubt play out for the next several decades.

The purpose of the court is to ensure paycheques for lawyers.

 

[Taxslave2]

For better or for worse, the Supreme Court long ago ruled that the list of qualifications for Federal government positions in the Constitution is exclusive, and can only be added to by Constitutional amendment. For President, that's:

35 or older
Natural-born citizen
14 consecutive years of residency in the U.S. prior to election.

Age discrimination.

 

[pgs]

History will remember it as the time America abandoned its standards for president.

So when he gave the order to march on the Capital on Jan6th and got people killed he wasn't acting as president.
Perfect.
Throw fuckhead in jail.

Yup not at all allowing corrupt media to form your opinion . There are none so blind .

 

[pgs]

We don't know. Again. . .

"Core Constitutional powers" - absolute immunity. Probably not that.

"Within the outer perimeter of his official responsibility" - rebuttable presumption of immunity. "At a minimum, the President must be immune from prosecution for an official act unless the Government can show that applying a criminal prohibition to that act would pose no 'dangers of intrusion on the authority and functions of the Executive Branch.'"

"As for a President’s unofficial acts, there is no immunity."

To decide which this is. . .

"The first step in deciding whether a former President is entitled to immunity from a particular prosecution is to distinguish his official from unofficial actions. . . Determining whether an action is covered by immunity thus begins with assessing the President’s authority to take that action. But the breadth of the President’s 'discretionary responsibilities' under the Constitution and laws of the United States frequently makes it 'difficult to determine which of [his] innumerable ‘functions’ encompassed a particular action.' The immunity the Court has recognized therefore extends to the 'outer perimeter' of the President’s official responsibilities, covering actions so long as they are 'not manifestly or palpably beyond [his] authority. . ."

Personally, I'd call exhorting (ordering?) a crowd of violent morons to attack the Congress "unofficial." But I'm not a bought-and-paid-for lackey in a black robe.

Can you show where and when Trump exhorted a crowd of violent morons to attack congress . There must be video and audio of this . I didn’t think so .

 

[Taxslave2]

Can you show where and when Trump exhorted a crowd of violent morons to attack congress . There must be video and audio of this . I didn’t think so .

Lefties have never let facts stand in the way of dogma.

 

[pgs]

Lefties have never let facts stand in the way of dogma.

Yes , but they are great at getting otherwise intelligent people to buy their BS .

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Age discrimination.

And discrimination based on national origin. Just our way of saying "Fuck you" to Canadians.

Like Ted Cruz.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

The purpose of the court is to ensure paycheques for lawyers.

You're so oppressed. Run and tell mommy how oppressed you are.

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

Sorry, I didn't realize that I wasn't being smart enough by letting others form my opinions instead of yours?
Are you for fucking real?

So when he gave the order to march on the Capital and got people killed he wasn't acting as president.
Perfect.
Throw fuckhead in jail.

Yup not at all allowing corrupt media to form your opinion . There are none so blind .

You almost sound like one of Charlie's girls.

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

Lefties have never let facts stand in the way of dogma.

I'm not a lefty. Full blood conservative, but then Trump's not right, he's a cult. The only thing that influenced me was what I saw. I watched it happen, saw Trump tell them to head for the capital, heard him lie about the election being stolen, and fan the flames that caused the riot of the retarded.
Just like five zillion other people.

 

[petros]

I'm not a lefty. Full blood conservative, but then Trump's not right, he's a cult. The only thing that influenced me was what I saw. I watched it happen, saw Trump tell them to head for the capital, heard him lie about the election being stolen, and fan the flames that caused the riot of the retarded.
Just like five zillion other people.

Is that what you really heard or what you thought you were told you heard.

Answer this mystery....why is the guy with the horns a free man?

 

[pgs]

So when he gave the order to march on the Capital and got people killed he wasn't acting as president.
Perfect.
Throw fuckhead in jail.

You almost sound like one of Charlie's girls.

Hey they were hot .

 

[pgs]

I'm not a lefty. Full blood conservative, but then Trump's not right, he's a cult. The only thing that influenced me was what I saw. I watched it happen, saw Trump tell them to head for the capital, heard him lie about the election being stolen, and fan the flames that caused the riot of the retarded.
Just like five zillion other people.

I would sure like to see the video you saw for some reason it does not lead on any news media . Please I would really like to see it . Of course I will be waiting till the end of my time , because you can not produce what isn’t there . Like I say you let others form your opinion to such an extent that you see and hear things that did not happen . Eighty one million votes , lol for a guy that couldn’t even garner 10% of the primary votes . Must be fun living so far from reality .

 

[Jinentonix]

I'm not a lefty. Full blood conservative, but then Trump's not right, he's a cult. The only thing that influenced me was what I saw. I watched it happen, saw Trump tell them to head for the capital, heard him lie about the election being stolen, and fan the flames that caused the riot of the retarded.
Just like five zillion other people.

Wow, you mean after 4 years of Democrats and their media lapdogs pushing the false "collusion" narrative (among others) and trying to get him removed, Donald decided to try and play dirty too? That bastard.
Let's not forget the riotS of the retarded in the summer of 2020 where Democrats did little to stop idiots from and in some cases encouraged them to burn, loot, assault and forcibly take over entire neighbourhoods while declaring autonomy. How many people were killed during that bullshit? Oh that's right, they were mostly peaceful rio...I mean protests. Those deaths don't count. And just like 5 zillion other people, I watched it happen.

And then America ran out and voted for the guy who was in whole and in part responsible for some of the most racist legislation in the US since the Civil Rights Act became law. Ya know, because Trump is such a "racist".