About 4000W for heat pump and blowe but they run on a cyclical basis so there wouldnt be a constant load on a genny.
Cost? Waaaaaay waaaaay less than what youd need for baseboard heaters or space heaters but still more than gas.
Trudeau’s Newest New Carbon Tax
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Cost? Waaaaaay waaaaay less than what youd need for baseboard heaters or space heaters but still more than gas.
Baseboard heaters are the most expensive way to heat. We have a small minisplit does about half our heating. A propane furnace does the rest. Still not the cheapest to run, but reasonable and uses very little power. Did away with wood heat about 4 years back. Saved $200 a year on insurance, which is about a third of the winter heat bill. Bonus is no smoke in the house and no more cutting wood. Diesel generator can run well pump and hot water,
Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre has a simple message for Atlantic Canadians after Prime Minister Justin Trudeau announced plans to pull the carbon tax from home heating oil: Don’t be fooled by Trudeau’s “panicked flip flop.”
Speaking in St. John’s, N.L., on Friday Poilievre accused the prime minister of being in “total panic mode” as his numbers are plunging in Atlantic Canada.
“What caused Justin Trudeau to freak out yesterday and hold a sudden press conference to announce that he was going to pause the carbon tax on home heating oil? The answer is that he was plummeting in the polls,” Poilievre told reporters at a news conference.
“Justin Trudeau’s not worried about the cost of living. He’s worried about the cost of votes, and that’s what caused his panicked flip flop,” he said.
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The announcement (The Trudeau NDP/Liberals) represents a partial climbdown on one of Trudeau’s signature climate policies. The governing Liberals have been sinking in the polls — partly because of the rising cost of living — and energy costs are one reason it appears politically vulnerable in Atlantic Canada, where the federal carbon price “just” came into effect this summer.
Trudeau’s announcement “coincidentally” coincided with the start of his chief political rival’s tour of Liberal ridings in Atlantic Canada. Poilievre started his series of “Axe the Tax” rallies in Liberal MP Kody Blois’ Nova Scotia riding on Thursday evening.
Speaking in St. John’s, N.L., on Friday Poilievre accused the prime minister of being in “total panic mode” as his numbers are plunging in Atlantic Canada.
“What caused Justin Trudeau to freak out yesterday and hold a sudden press conference to announce that he was going to pause the carbon tax on home heating oil? The answer is that he was plummeting in the polls,” Poilievre told reporters at a news conference.
“Justin Trudeau’s not worried about the cost of living. He’s worried about the cost of votes, and that’s what caused his panicked flip flop,” he said.
Don't be fooled by Trudeau's 'flip flop' on the carbon tax, Poilievre tells Atlantic Canadians — National Post
It 'is a scam designed to trick oil-heated households into voting for him one more time before he can hit them with his big tax hike,' Poilievre said in St. John’s
Trudeau’s announcement “coincidentally” coincided with the start of his chief political rival’s tour of Liberal ridings in Atlantic Canada. Poilievre started his series of “Axe the Tax” rallies in Liberal MP Kody Blois’ Nova Scotia riding on Thursday evening.
I have one of these in the garage. 30,000 BTU ventless. Works fanastic. Its NG or propane. 20lb tank will last 3 days.
I’m not religious but, “Oh Thank Christ!”…
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The federal Conservatives are promising to unanimously approve fast-tracking of any government legislation that would give Canadians who use natural gas to heat their homes the same carbon tax break that Prime Minister Justin Trudeau extended late last week to those who heat their homes with oil.
In the wake of the federal government announcing changes to the carbon tax, a former Liberal Party strategist is predicting that the carbon price might not be part of the Liberals’ plan when the next election rolls around.
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This will help us get to the next election in October of 2025 unless Jagmeet wakes up and calls it sooner…so that we can get some fiscal sanity (somewhere back towards the political centre for Canada) imposed on the dumpster fire of the last eight years.
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“Conservatives are offering our full cooperation to pass an emergency bill [Monday] to axe the carbon tax on all forms of heat before winter heat bills hit Canadians next month,” Poilievre writes in a letter to Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, a copy of which was provided Sunday to Global News.
The government, though, does not appear to be ready to take Poilievre up on his offer.
“Unlike Pierre Poilievre’s Conservatives, we know that climate change is real and it cannot be free to pollute. That’s why we put a price on carbon pollution across Canada,” Katherine Cuplinskas, a spokesperson for Deputy Prime Minister and Finance Minister Chrystia Freeland wrote in an e-mail. “The federal government’s announcement last week is a recognition more time and new support is needed to help Canadians, in particular those who live in Atlantic Canada, transition to cleaner, more affordable home heating options.”
Ugh….& if Jagmeet backs the Trudeau/Freeland leaning….nexts weeks seat projection will show a larger decimation of the tangents veering away from the political center.
“I think this is just the first of a lot of shaving off the edge of the carbon tax,” Herle told CTV’s Vassy Kapelos in regards to the news.
He referred to the carbon price as a “big policy mistake,” adding that they may have to “chip away at it.”
“I think that there's actually a reasonable supposition the carbon tax itself is off the table by the time of the next election.”
Conservatives promise unanimous support for national carbon tax pause — Global News
Federal Conservative leader Pierre Poilievre is challenging the minority Liberal government to remove federal surcharges on all home heating energy.
In the wake of the federal government announcing changes to the carbon tax, a former Liberal Party strategist is predicting that the carbon price might not be part of the Liberals’ plan when the next election rolls around.
Carbon price could be 'off the table' by the next election after rollback for heating oil: Liberal strategist — CTV News
In the wake of the federal government announcing changes to the carbon tax, a former Liberal Party strategist is predicting that the carbon tax might not be part of the Liberals’ plan when the next election rolls around.
This will help us get to the next election in October of 2025 unless Jagmeet wakes up and calls it sooner…so that we can get some fiscal sanity (somewhere back towards the political centre for Canada) imposed on the dumpster fire of the last eight years.
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The government, though, does not appear to be ready to take Poilievre up on his offer.
“Unlike Pierre Poilievre’s Conservatives, we know that climate change is real and it cannot be free to pollute. That’s why we put a price on carbon pollution across Canada,” Katherine Cuplinskas, a spokesperson for Deputy Prime Minister and Finance Minister Chrystia Freeland wrote in an e-mail. “The federal government’s announcement last week is a recognition more time and new support is needed to help Canadians, in particular those who live in Atlantic Canada, transition to cleaner, more affordable home heating options.”
Ugh….& if Jagmeet backs the Trudeau/Freeland leaning….nexts weeks seat projection will show a larger decimation of the tangents veering away from the political center.
“I think this is just the first of a lot of shaving off the edge of the carbon tax,” Herle told CTV’s Vassy Kapelos in regards to the news.
He referred to the carbon price as a “big policy mistake,” adding that they may have to “chip away at it.”
“I think that there's actually a reasonable supposition the carbon tax itself is off the table by the time of the next election.”
WW3 is getting in the way of climate in the news cycle.I’m not religious but, “Oh Thank Christ!”…
The federal Conservatives are promising to unanimously approve fast-tracking of any government legislation that would give Canadians who use natural gas to heat their homes the same carbon tax break that Prime Minister Justin Trudeau extended late last week to those who heat their homes with oil.Conservatives promise unanimous support for national carbon tax pause — Global News
Federal Conservative leader Pierre Poilievre is challenging the minority Liberal government to remove federal surcharges on all home heating energy.
In the wake of the federal government announcing changes to the carbon tax, a former Liberal Party strategist is predicting that the carbon price might not be part of the Liberals’ plan when the next election rolls around.
Carbon price could be 'off the table' by the next election after rollback for heating oil: Liberal strategist — CTV News
In the wake of the federal government announcing changes to the carbon tax, a former Liberal Party strategist is predicting that the carbon tax might not be part of the Liberals’ plan when the next election rolls around.
This will help us get to the next election in October of 2025 unless Jagmeet wakes up and calls it sooner…so that we can get some fiscal sanity (somewhere back towards the political centre for Canada) imposed on the dumpster fire of the last eight years.
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“Conservatives are offering our full cooperation to pass an emergency bill [Monday] to axe the carbon tax on all forms of heat before winter heat bills hit Canadians next month,” Poilievre writes in a letter to Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, a copy of which was provided Sunday to Global News.Welcome to 338Canada
The government, though, does not appear to be ready to take Poilievre up on his offer.
“Unlike Pierre Poilievre’s Conservatives, we know that climate change is real and it cannot be free to pollute. That’s why we put a price on carbon pollution across Canada,” Katherine Cuplinskas, a spokesperson for Deputy Prime Minister and Finance Minister Chrystia Freeland wrote in an e-mail. “The federal government’s announcement last week is a recognition more time and new support is needed to help Canadians, in particular those who live in Atlantic Canada, transition to cleaner, more affordable home heating options.”
Ugh….& if Jagmeet backs the Trudeau/Freeland leaning….nexts weeks seat projection will show a larger decimation of the tangents veering away from the political center.
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“I think this is just the first of a lot of shaving off the edge of the carbon tax,” Herle told CTV’s Vassy Kapelos in regards to the news.
He referred to the carbon price as a “big policy mistake,” adding that they may have to “chip away at it.”
“I think that there's actually a reasonable supposition the carbon tax itself is off the table by the time of the next election.”
Cabinet ministers to push Ottawa so federal carbon-tax break also applies to B.C. Prime Minister Trudeau announced a three-year pause on the federal carbon tax on home-heating oil in Atlantic Canada, Ontario and the Prairie provinces. B.C. ministers didn't elaborate on how the province will answer the measure.
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B.C. cabinet ministers to push Ottawa for joint rebate on electric heat pumps being offered elsewhere
Prime Minister Justin Trudeau hit pause on the carbon tax for heating oil in Atlantic Canada, Ontario and the Prairies, leaving B.C. out.
Did Trudeau mention the diesel, jet and heating oil shortages and prices that are going to skyrocket?Cabinet ministers to push Ottawa so federal carbon-tax break also applies to B.C. Prime Minister Trudeau announced a three-year pause on the federal carbon tax on home-heating oil in Atlantic Canada, Ontario and the Prairie provinces. B.C. ministers didn't elaborate on how the province will answer the measure.
B.C. cabinet ministers to push Ottawa for joint rebate on electric heat pumps being offered elsewhere
Prime Minister Justin Trudeau hit pause on the carbon tax for heating oil in Atlantic Canada, Ontario and the Prairies, leaving B.C. out.
The US relied on Russia for heavy distilates after cutting Venezuela out. Now Russia is out and Venezuela in.
Koo Koo bananas.
Of coarse not. Hearing on the radio the Saskatchewan Premier stating that if the Liberal/NDP’s under Trudeau don’t match what they’re doing for the Maritime provinces onto our cleaner Natural Gas, then effective January 1st 2024 SaskEnergy will stop collecting the Carbon Taxes on heating, etc…
The Maritime Provinces almost paid a Carbon Tax for the privilege of heating their homes, and here’s where Saskatchewan lays on it so far:
(That’s not SaskPower, or other drains by the Carbon Tax(s) or the GST charged on the Carbon Tax(s)).
The Maritime Provinces almost paid a Carbon Tax for the privilege of heating their homes, and here’s where Saskatchewan lays on it so far:
(That’s not SaskPower, or other drains by the Carbon Tax(s) or the GST charged on the Carbon Tax(s)).
Saskatchewan Premier Scott Moe says his province is to stop collecting the carbon tax if Ottawa doesn’t offer a break.
Moe said Monday that starting Jan. 1, the provincial gas utility SaskEnergy won’t collect or submit the tax to the federal government unless Ottawa provides the province an exemption.
“The federal government may say that’s illegal,” Moe said in a video on the X platform, formerly known as Twitter.
“In most cases I would agree with that, but it’s the federal government that has created two classes of taxpayers by providing an exemption for heating oil, an exemption that really only applies in one part of the country and effectively excludes Saskatchewan.”
Moe and Alberta Premier Danielle Smithhave asked Trudeau to extend that exemption to cover all other forms of heating, including natural gas.
“As premier, it’s my job to ensure Saskatchewan residents are treated fairly and equally with our fellow Canadians in other parts of the country,” he said.
“Of course, the real solution would be for the federal government to scrap the entire carbon tax on everyone and everything.”
Trudeau has denied the decision was about saving Liberal seats, but he did acknowledge it was something voters wanted. (those voters anyway)
Last week, Rural Economic Development Minister Gudie Hutchings told CTV that people in Western and Prairie provinces should elect more Liberals if they want to have conversations around potential exemptions.
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Moe said Monday that starting Jan. 1, the provincial gas utility SaskEnergy won’t collect or submit the tax to the federal government unless Ottawa provides the province an exemption.
“The federal government may say that’s illegal,” Moe said in a video on the X platform, formerly known as Twitter.
“In most cases I would agree with that, but it’s the federal government that has created two classes of taxpayers by providing an exemption for heating oil, an exemption that really only applies in one part of the country and effectively excludes Saskatchewan.”
Moe and Alberta Premier Danielle Smithhave asked Trudeau to extend that exemption to cover all other forms of heating, including natural gas.
“As premier, it’s my job to ensure Saskatchewan residents are treated fairly and equally with our fellow Canadians in other parts of the country,” he said.
“Of course, the real solution would be for the federal government to scrap the entire carbon tax on everyone and everything.”
Trudeau has denied the decision was about saving Liberal seats, but he did acknowledge it was something voters wanted. (those voters anyway)
Last week, Rural Economic Development Minister Gudie Hutchings told CTV that people in Western and Prairie provinces should elect more Liberals if they want to have conversations around potential exemptions.
Saskatchewan threatens to withhold carbon fees on natural gas
Premier Scott Moe hopes to pressure Ottawa into dropping all levies on heating fuels with natural-gas plan
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So many questions….”’FREE’ Heat Pumps”? How so….Free? Seriously? Free how? Even if they’re paid for out of Justin Trudeau’s trust fund, they aren’t free…
“Canadians who live in jurisdictions were the ‘price on pollution’ applies get over $1000 a year?” Really? From Where? $1000? Really? Wow…$1000 from the Canadian government who gets that from where again?
The West has been asking for Ottawa to reduce or eliminate the carbon tax for years. Western provinces even took the feds to court over the constitutionality of the tax only to have to put up with a Supreme Court decision that said the tax probably was unconstitutional, but saving the planet was so urgent and important the Constitution be damned.
For most of those years, Atlantic Canada wasn’t paying the federal carbon tax. The four Atlantic provinces had their own carbon-pricing schemes that were considerably cheaper. But this past July 1, the Trudeau government said enough is enough and imposed the substantially higher federal scheme plus a second carbon tax known as the clean fuel regulations.
On that day, gasoline prices jumped as much as 14 cents a litre in Nova Scotia, New Brunswick, P.E.I. and Newfoundland and Labrador. So Atlantic Canadians have been living with the federal carbon tax for just four months compared to four years for Westerners.
GUNTER: 'Vote Liberal' comment by cabinet minister shows federal party's disdain for Alberta — Edmonton Sun
It’s hard to believe she really said it. On CTV’s Question Period on Sunday, federal Rural Economic Development Minister Gudie Hutchings said if Western Canadians and Prairie premiers would like carve-outs in the federal government’s carbon tax similar to the carve-outs given to Atlantic...
It’s pretty obvious the Trudeau government, which has widespread popularity problems, cannot win the next election without a sizeable chunk of Atlantic seats.
The Trudeau Liberals have cancelled pipelines (Northern Gateway and Energy East), obstructed a $21-billion oilsands development (Teck Resources’ Frontier project), banned tankers full of Alberta oil from the West Coast (but not tankers full of Saudi oil from Atlantic Canada and Quebec), attempted to regulate future pipelines to death, promised a cap on oil and gas emissions double the cap imposed on central Canada’s auto industry, and proposed net-zero goals on electricity generation that would cripple Alberta.
To balance that scale, so while Westerners have been accused of not being good Canadians and not being concerned about the environment because they won’t get behind the carbon tax, within mere weeks of Atlantic Canadians showing disgust for the Liberals, the Trudeau government was falling all over itself to give Atlantic Canada relief — a three-year holiday from the carbon tax on home heating fuel, plus up to $15,000 per home for heat pumps — while also pretending they were not weakening their crusade to stop climate change.
Then along comes Gudie Hutchings who says Westerners shouldn’t expect their own concession unless we vote Liberal. Sounds about Right…I mean Left. What has Jagmeet Singh to say about this? I’ve no idea & Ive been looking…& he’s been silent.
With any luck, the Tories can rationalize your tax system.
Assuming they even want to try.
Assuming they even want to try.
Cabinet ministers are facing heat from premiers and the federal opposition over exempting home heating oil from the carbon price for the next three years, a policy that primarily benefits residents in Atlantic Canada.
Despite that, Natural Resources Minister Jonathan Wilkinson says the federal pollution price will remain in place for other forms of home heating.
“There will be no more carve-outs coming,” Wilkinson said on his way into cabinet on Tuesday.
At the same time, Manitoba MP and Prairie Economic Development Minister Dan Vandal said the government would have “good discussions on this” when asked about a carve-out for Manitoba as he entered cabinet.
NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh says the approach is one that divides the country.
“It provides help to those that live in the ridings where the Liberals are worried about losing their seats and doesn’t provide help across the country. It’s a divisive approach,” Singh said. Will you continue to prop up the liberal government? I think we all know the answer to that one…
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Despite that, Natural Resources Minister Jonathan Wilkinson says the federal pollution price will remain in place for other forms of home heating.
“There will be no more carve-outs coming,” Wilkinson said on his way into cabinet on Tuesday.
At the same time, Manitoba MP and Prairie Economic Development Minister Dan Vandal said the government would have “good discussions on this” when asked about a carve-out for Manitoba as he entered cabinet.
NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh says the approach is one that divides the country.
“It provides help to those that live in the ridings where the Liberals are worried about losing their seats and doesn’t provide help across the country. It’s a divisive approach,” Singh said. Will you continue to prop up the liberal government? I think we all know the answer to that one…
Trudeau rules out more carbon price carve-outs: 'Absolutely not' — Global News
Natural Resource Minister Jonathan Wilkinson says there will be 'no more carve-outs coming' as premiers call for more carbon price exemptions.
Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is standing firm that his government will not make any further exemptions to the carbon tax after announcing a three-year break on heating oil.
"There will absolutely not be any other carve-outs or suspensions of the price on pollution," Trudeau told reporters on his way into Tuesday's question period.
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Trudeau says there will 'absolutely not' be further carbon tax exemptions — CBC News
Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is standing firm that his government will not make any further exemptions to the carbon tax after announcing a three-year break on heating oil.
Non-Liberals. Thought that had become clear?
The Federal Liberal Rural Economic Development Minister Gudie Hutchings’ comments made on CTV’s Question Period on Sunday, where she said that “Western and Prairie provinces should vote Liberal if they want to secure some extra carve-outs in the federal carbon pricing policy” because democracy and unity.
Conservatives, NDP mock minister's suggestion to elect more Liberals to get carbon tax exemptions
One Conservative MP alluded to George Orwell"s “Animal Farm," saying the PM thinks "some Canadians are more equal than other Canadians."
Conservatives go hard in the House on minister's 'elect more Liberals' carbon pricing comment
The federal government's handling of carve-outs to its carbon pricing plan dominated question period on Monday, seeing the Conservatives go hard at the Liberals over Rural Economic Development Minister Gudie Hutchings' weekend comment about Western and Prairie provinces electing 'more Liberals'...
Vote Liberal. Or twist in the wind.
GUNTER: 'Vote Liberal' comment by cabinet minister shows federal party's disdain for Alberta
It is second nature for Liberals to antagonize Westerners every time they open their mouths.
Instead, it has become a divisive force in Confederation because the Liberals have applied it unequally, for partisan reasons.
In September, Environment Minister Steven Guilbeault rejected a special deal for Alberta, where the Liberals hold only two seats compared to 30 for the Conservatives, because of the added costs it faces in implementing Ottawa’s clean electricity regulations, intended to achieve net zero emissions in the electricity sector by 2035.
“How fair would it be for … the rest of the federation if we started carving out exceptions for provinces?” Guilbeault said in rejecting the idea.
Despite that, a month later, Trudeau announced a special deal for the Atlantic provinces.
EDITORIAL: Time for Trudeau to kill the carbon tax — Toronto Sun
It’s time for Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and the Liberals to admit their carbon tax is a costly, failed and divisive policy and scrap it. It has not, as the Liberals promised, lowered Canada’s greenhouse gas missions effectively. The United States doesn’t have a national carbon tax and has...