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Mississippi church fighting coronavirus restrictions burned to the ground

Mississippi Gov. Tate Reeves said he's "heartbroken and furious" after a fire this week at a church that has challenged coronavirus restrictions. The fire is being investigated as arson.
The fire Wednesday in Holly Springs destroyed the First Pentecostal Church, and investigators found graffiti in the church parking lot that reads, “Bet you stay home now you hypokrits," NBC affiliate WMC of Memphis reported.
The church was "burned to the ground" and had been trying to open services, Reeves tweeted Thursday.
First Pentecostal filed a lawsuit last month against the city over its public health order on in-person worship services, the station reported.
"This is not who we are," the governor said at a daily news conference on the coronavirus epidemic and the state's response.
"Obviously, we have to ensure that this investigation is done and that it is completed," Reeves said. "But if this is in fact what it looks like, I want you to know that we're going to do everything in our power to find whomever burned this church down."
Stephen Crampton, attorney for the church, told WMC that he has no doubt that the fire was connected to the lawsuit.
"To find that that graffiti is spray painted in there — 'I bet you stay home now, you hypocrites,' right — seems very clearly directed at this particular lawsuit and the church's stand for its own Constitutional rights," he said.
The lawsuit deals with alleged police disruption of a Bible study and Easter service.
Holly Springs City Attorney Shirley Byers told The Associated Press the church was issued a violation on April 10 after about 40 people had gathered inside and were not social distancing. The city amended its local order in late April to allow drive-thru church services. The lawsuit says social distancing is practiced inside and that services are held indoor only when weather prohibits outdoor services.
Reeves has never outright prohibited worship services and has classified places like churches as "essential" in state stay-at-home orders.
But, he has encouraged churches to use alternatives like online and parking lot services.
Earlier this week, Reeves released guidance on resuming in-person faith gatherings, which include cleaning and disinfection, holding separate services for vulnerable populations and creating a 6-foot buffer between household groups.
Holly Springs is a community of around 7,600 in the northern part of the state near the Tennessee border, a little more than 40 miles southeast of Memphis.
Mississippi has begun reopening other parts of its economy and activities. On Tuesday, Reeves signed an order allowing places that include tattoo parlors and dance studios to reopen.
As of the end of the business day Wednesday, Mississippi had confirmed 12,222 COVID-19 cases and had had 580 deaths, according to the state health department.
 

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Britain’s chilling slide into totalitarianism

The arrest of peaceful anti-lockdown protesters heralds a new era of authoritarianism.


JAMES MCSWEENEY
22nd May 2020
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Piers Corbyn

On Saturday, Hyde Park’s Speakers’ Corner was host to an unusual scene. As onlookers booed, police officers dragged 19 activists from the scene in handcuffs. Ten people were fined. Their crime? Refusing to disband their small protest in contravention of lockdown measures.

The protesters, who included Piers Corbyn (eccentric sibling of Jeremy Corbyn), were an odd conglomeration of anti-vaxxers and anti-lockdown preachers. Piers, who makes his brother look like a yuppie sell-out, was determined to warn his audience about what he saw as the virus-spreading horrors of 5G. Most people greeted the news of the protest with a mixture of bemusement and irritation. ‘Mad as box badgers’ and ‘The police have enough to do without this extra nonsense’ were typical of the comments on Twitter.

True, the protesters’ assertions that Bill Gates was the mastermind behind this crisis probably have not added much to the public discourse. The weirdness of the display aside, there is something deeply unsettling about non-disruptive peaceful protesters being bundled into police vans. For the first time in my lifetime, a British government has drawn a utilitarian line in the sand and declared that no peaceful protest can be tolerated.

Well, not utilitarian in a strictly calculated sense. We still don’t know what the effect of lockdown has actually been, or exactly how the disease spreads. In New York, for example, 66 per cent of the people hospitalised were ‘sheltering in place’ – that is, obeying the rules of the lockdown – when they caught the disease. Sweden, which never locked down, has just 60 per cent of the confirmed cases per capita of Ireland, which did.

Nor do we know what the ultimate stacking of lives saved versus lives lost due to lockdown will be. Cancer referrals in the UK are down by 76 per cent and there has been an alarming drop in hospitalisations for strokes and heart attacks. Perhaps, then, the British government’s reasoning behind banning protest can be best summed up as: ‘We are not sure it is worth the risk, but we could be wrong.’

This ‘better safe than sorry’ authoritarianism hasn’t been limited to the government. In lieu of a scientific consensus on the merits of any particular policy direction, Facebook has nonetheless decided to stick its neck out and remove posts that contradict official lockdown advice (presumably while crossing its fingers that such dissenters don’t have any valid observations). Facebook has even taken down posts promoting protests against the lockdowns in certain US states.

Unsurprisingly, lots of authoritarian leaders see merit in this approach. President Erdogan of Turkey, for example, is so concerned about the risk of misinformation being spread about the virus that he has taken to going after journalists suspected of spreading it. Ever vigilant of threats to the health of his countrymen, prime minister Hun Sen of Cambodia has awarded himself emergency powers to ban opposition gatherings and declare martial law. Wary of the contagion risk of marches, China’s benevolent central planners have been forced to round up known trouble-makers in Hong Kong. According to Journalists Without Borders, 38 countries have introduced emergency measures to restrict journalistic freedom in the wake of coronavirus.

Is it facetious to make such comparisons? Seen from abroad, probably not. If Britain is to abandon its principles by banning protest on the basis of an uncertain estimation of the potential for infection, on what basis can we condemn authoritarian regimes which do the same?

The truth is, however much self-interest feeds into the calculation, the operators of many authoritarian regimes genuinely believe their actions are needed to avoid catastrophe. If law and order are the overriding concern, then this is not unreasonable. When protests toppled Egypt’s Hosni Mubarak in 2011, the immediate consequence was violence and economic collapse. Last year’s deposition of Sudanese president Omar al-Bashir was followed by a massacre and unchecked pillaging by armed gangs.

Even when, in 1819, British MPs voted through the Six Acts to restrict gatherings following the Peterloo Massacre, most did so in the sincere belief that they were saving their country from a violent French-style revolutionary terror. The nature of principles like freedom of expression is that they are easily diminished if short-term considerations take precedence – that is why they must be principles which we defend regardless.

This brings us back to lockdown Britain. Say it turns out that the government is sticking to the restrictions, even if a consensus was emerging that lockdown could be killing more people than it is saving, would you still be happy that ministers get the final say on your right to protest or that Facebook could be preventing you from organising one?

All of this is worth bearing in mind the next time you find yourself getting angry at an idiot with a placard.

James McSweeney is a freelance writer and videographer. Follow him on Twitter: @maccyjames1


https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/05/22/britains-chilling-slide-into-totalitarianism/
 
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Blackleaf

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Roflmfao, well there goes their claim for oldest democracy. I just LOVE it.

Yep. Well, if things continue like this for much longer.

The way things are going right now, soon the world's oldest surviving democracy will be Burkina Faso - which is currently the world's youngest democracy.

Even China didn't lock down its citizens for as long as we have.
 

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Yep. Well, if things continue like this for much longer.
The way things are going right now, soon the world's oldest surviving democracy will be Burkina Faso - which is currently the world's youngest democracy.
Even China didn't lock down its citizens for as long as we have.


I really couldn't care less, unless CBS starts letting idiots like you in.
 

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In New York, for example, 66 per cent of the people hospitalised were ‘sheltering in place’ – that is, obeying the rules of the lockdown – when they caught the disease

Hmmmmmm, interesting. Very interesting.

Although I have long said the US lockdown isn't working.

Seems I'm right... again.
 

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Nope, sorry. Bolded part is a lie.

https://www.oldest.org/politics/democracies/

Isle of Man and Iceland have had it longer than the UK


Also interesting...

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2019/08/countries-are-the-worlds-oldest-democracies


And...


https://www.history.com/news/what-is-the-worlds-oldest-democracy


Which has this little tidbit: Some historians suggest that the Native American Six Nations confederacy (Iroquois), which traces its consensus-based government tradition across eight centuries, is the oldest living participatory democracy.


I'm sure you'll argue that though, eh Blackie?
Some historians suggest . Okay .
 

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Yep. Well, if things continue like this for much longer.

The way things are going right now, soon the world's oldest surviving democracy will be Burkina Faso - which is currently the world's youngest democracy.

Even China didn't lock down its citizens for as long as we have.




And they're locking them down again due to a resurgence.
 

Blackleaf

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And they're locking them down again due to a resurgence.
Oh, well maybe we will end up following totalitarian China's lead again later in the year, like we did this time around.

What other diktats do you want us to adopt from totalitarian China? Being racist towards black people or imposing a cultural genocide upon Muslims, perhaps.

Or is it just authoritarian China's totalitarian lockdown you wish to adopt?
 

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I love this. A group of around 100 freedom-loving youngsters attended an outdoor rave and inhaled "hippy crack", ignoring the lockdown, in the wilds of Lancashire near Barnoldswick on Wednesday in 80F heat.



The large hill in the background with the masts on top is Winter Hill. It looms right over my town Bolton as Vesuvius looms over Naples. Bolton is on the opposite side of the hill.
 
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Wet Wet Wet frontman Marti Pellow gives us a lockdown session of the band's 1987 hit Angel Eyes:

Here’s another wee Lockdown Session for you, I’m sure you’ll know this one… ANGEL EYES is for the wonderful girls from my hometown of Clydebank who are raising money for PPE for our NHS angels. If you would like to donate that would be amazing, visit https://www.justgiving.com/crowdfundi... Thanks for listening, stay safe love to love Marti x



And here's how it was performed originally:

 

Serryah

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Oh, well maybe we will end up following totalitarian China's lead again later in the year, like we did this time around.

What other diktats do you want us to adopt from totalitarian China? Being racist towards black people or imposing a cultural genocide upon Muslims, perhaps.

Or is it just authoritarian China's totalitarian lockdown you wish to adopt?


Of course you would miss the point, whether on purpose or not.


I wonder if there will ever be a day that you are right about something and if you will ever act like a human being instead of the... questionable entity that you are.


Likely not.
 

Blackleaf

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Of course you would miss the point, whether on purpose or not.
I wonder if there will ever be a day that you are right about something and if you will ever act like a human being instead of the... questionable entity that you are.
Likely not.

 

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Of course you would miss the point, whether on purpose or not.


I wonder if there will ever be a day that you are right about something and if you will ever act like a human being instead of the... questionable entity that you are.


Likely not.
I wonder if there will ever be a day when you will stop quoting this ignorant POS.

Probably not.
 

Blackleaf

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Officer Crabtree from classic British sitcom 'Allo 'Allo! clarifies lockdown instructions for us.

 

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This is dedicated to Professor Neil Ferguson, the scaremongering architect of the British lockdown who think the rules don't apply to him as he goes and doinks his mistress: