COVID-19 'Pandemic'
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European leaders warn coronavirus could lead to the breakup of their union
Might the death toll from covid-19 be higher than the official fatalities attributed to it so far? Data emerging from the worst-hit places in Europe suggest so.
A common way to quantify deaths in a severe health crisis is to look at “excess mortality”: the total number of people who have passed away in an area, compared to usual. Journalists in Italy, Spain and France have started doing this.
EuroMOMO, a group of researchers from 24 countries, gives national weekly estimates of all deaths. But, for various reasons, that data cannot yet be directly compared to regional covid-19 fatalities. (For Italy, it aggregates a selection of cities.)
So local researchers and reporters are gathering data. In Italy
foresti
and Inve
have worked with mayors of small comunes in Bergamo province. They have found that, so far, “excess mortality” is double the official covid-19 death toll.
An article in El País showed a similar discrepancy in total deaths and covid-19 deaths for several regions in Spain, based on figures from the government’s health research centre.
And in France manach
has noticed that the covid-19 death toll in Haut-Rhin, the most affected department, is growing less quickly than the number of obituaries published in local newspapers.
There are many reasons why these discrepancies could exist. Data on total deaths and covid-19 deaths often come from different sources. Sometimes it takes a few days to establish the cause of death.
But the gap between official covid-19 deaths and total deaths could also represent people who died outside of hospitals (as seems likely in Bergamo), or who were killed by other diseases that might normally have been treated.
It may take several months before we know what explains this pattern. But at the very least, it seems like the grim death tolls we receive each day understate the damage that has already occurred.
Courtesy of James Tozer.
European leaders warn coronavirus could lead to the breakup of their union
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So it was OK to skip the chain of command and leak his letter to the newspaper?
So it was OK to skip the chain of command and leak his letter to the newspaper?
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What were they doing for their paycheck sitting at home locked down?
What were they doing for their paycheck sitting at home locked down?
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Good for him. Risked his career for his crew and subsequently cheered by them as he left his ship.
Good for him. Risked his career for his crew and subsequently cheered by them as he left his ship.
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SecNav Modly admits in the article that he doesn't.
Do you have the first shred of evidence Capt. Crozier did that?
SecNav Modly admits in the article that he doesn't.
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That what happens when the government tells everyone to close up shops to SAVE LIVES
Although some just aint worth saving.. from this thread.
That what happens when the government tells everyone to close up shops to SAVE LIVES
Although some just aint worth saving.. from this thread.
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What an idiot.. but he's been removed after leaking the info to 20 or 30 emails..
Hope they send him to pasture dishonorable discharge and lose his pension, the fukking prick.
What an idiot.. but he's been removed after leaking the info to 20 or 30 emails..
Hope they send him to pasture dishonorable discharge and lose his pension, the fukking prick.
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44% of Canadian households have suffered job losses or reduced income.
I don't get you OB. Why the hell do you ONLY post about American shit in a Canadian forum. Do you think that Canada is somehow sailing through this? I hate to break it to you, but Canada is in a really shitty position right now. When this pandemic finally goes into hibernation, unlike the US, Canada is NOT in much of a position to recover well or quickly from this. In fact before this is all over, the "experts" are predicting WW2 levels of unemployment in Canada. That's 13.5%.
And yet their unemployment rate is still LOWER than ours. US unemployment rate at of end of March- 4.4%. Canadian unemployment rate at end of March- 5.9%
44% of Canadian households have suffered job losses or reduced income.
I don't get you OB. Why the hell do you ONLY post about American shit in a Canadian forum. Do you think that Canada is somehow sailing through this? I hate to break it to you, but Canada is in a really shitty position right now. When this pandemic finally goes into hibernation, unlike the US, Canada is NOT in much of a position to recover well or quickly from this. In fact before this is all over, the "experts" are predicting WW2 levels of unemployment in Canada. That's 13.5%.
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That’s what happens when governors tell you that you can’t go to werk.
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His sailors cheered him off the ship. I don't imagine SecNav Modly has ever been cheered for anything.
Yep, speculation = actionable evidence.
His sailors cheered him off the ship. I don't imagine SecNav Modly has ever been cheered for anything.
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Walt does the same thing and it doesn't bother you but this does. Interesting.
Must be Trump Stockholm syndrome.
Walt does the same thing and it doesn't bother you but this does. Interesting.
Must be Trump Stockholm syndrome.