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Parnas used access to Trump��s world to help push shadow Ukraine effort, new documents show


Documents and text messages released by House Democrats on Wednesday show how Lev Parnas, the former associate of Rudolph W. Giuliani, used the extensive entree he had to President Trump��s world to help put in motion Giuliani��s shadow Ukraine campaign.
The materials were released shortly before Parnas said in an interview with MSNBC��s Rachel Maddow that the president knew about his activities. ��He was aware of all my movements,�� Parnas said.

source: WAPO


Will see if the McConnel gang will call him as a witness.;
 

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Looks like Trump got his wish. The Ukraine announced that they are going to open an investigation, although it may not be the one that Trump was hoping for:

https://www.politicususa.com/2020/0...of-giuliani-for-yovanovitch-surveillance.html
indeed. They are investigating the fact that the ambassador was followed , (under surveillance) and made to feel threatened......in the shadow operation done by Giuliani and gang. as they worked to oust her. She stood in the way of the Trump extortion scheme

BTW: Holding back that money as Trump did.....is ILLEGAL. So he actively broke the law as well.

Interesting that trump wanted only the announcement of an investigation into Biden..........not the real thing. Shows what he thinks of his gullible followers. Shows how superficial , shallow and manipulative he is. Smoke andmirros.......is his expertise.
 

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indeed. They are investigating the fact that the ambassador was followed , (under surveillance) and made to feel threatened......in the shadow operation done by Giuliani and gang. as they worked to oust her. She stood in the way of the Trump extortion scheme
BTW: Holding back that money as Trump did.....is ILLEGAL. So he actively broke the law as well.
Interesting that trump wanted only the announcement of an investigation into Biden..........not the real thing. Shows what he thinks of his gullible followers. Shows how superficial , shallow and manipulative he is. Smoke andmirros.......is his expertise.
The money was sent within the legal time limit.
 

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indeed. They are investigating the fact that the ambassador was followed , (under surveillance) and made to feel threatened......in the shadow operation done by Giuliani and gang. as they worked to oust her. She stood in the way of the Trump extortion scheme
BTW: Holding back that money as Trump did.....is ILLEGAL. So he actively broke the law as well.
Interesting that trump wanted only the announcement of an investigation into Biden..........not the real thing. Shows what he thinks of his gullible followers. Shows how superficial , shallow and manipulative he is. Smoke andmirros.......is his expertise.

Yep he held back funds that were approved by congress, and according to Parnas not only would the funds have been held back but all future aid to Ukraine was being used for leverage.

From the article:

Parnas said Trump put all aid on the chopping block. “It wasn’t just military aid. It was all aid,” Parnas told Maddow. He said Giuliani told him, after meeting with Trump, to inform Serhiy Shefir, a top aide to Zelensky, that Washington would cut all aid unless the Ukrainian government announced an investigation into Biden.

https://www.kyivpost.com/ukraine-po...ion-of-ukraine-corruption-in-white-house.html
 

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BBBBBBBut he performs well in the things that count...………..Jobs, the economy, the stock markets, National security - I don't care too much if he's a little crude or embellishes his personal attributes. There's a Pope in Rome for that stuff! :)






BLESS YOU MY SON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


It is hugely unfortunate that LIE-berals have never wanted to discuss JUST WHAT IT IS...........................


that Trump WANTED INVESTIGATED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



In related news................JOE BIDEN HAS REFUSED TO TESTIFY...........................


in any sort of impeachment trial!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


ONE MUST ASK WHY HE WOULD NOT ANSWER QUESTIONS?????????????????????????


UNLESS THERE IS SOMETHING SERIOUSLY WRONG WITH THE SORT OF ANSWERS...............................


HE MIGHT HAVE TO GIVE UNDER OATH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




Here is an article illustrating how poorly the Witch Hunt against Trump is going!! With some comments of my own in brackets):

Biden says he won't comply with Senate subpoena in Trump's impeachment trial

By Louis Casiano Fox News

Published December 28, 2019

Former Vice President Joe Biden said Friday that he would not comply with a subpoena to testify in the Senate impeachment trial against President Trump, should one be issued to him.

(And WHY would Biden senior REFUSE TO SPEAK?? Is he afraid that damaging questions will be asked either about him or about his son Hunter - who is at the heart of the Trump request for a Ukrainian investigation of Biden Corporate activities in Eastern Europe????????????????????????)

Any testimony from the 2020 Democratic contender for the White House before the Senate would draw attention away from Trump's alleged wrongdoing and would effectively let the president off the hook, Biden claimed in an interview with the editorial board of the De Moines Register in Iowa.

(Oh- sounds like weasel words trying to detract from Biden personal issues!!!!!)

Also watch: PI firm claims Hunter Biden is subject of criminal probes, whistleblower was on ex-VP's secret Ukraine flight

(Should we assume that the Biden gang does not want to discuss that alleged secret flight- or discuss WHY they were travelling secretly at all??????????????)

"What are you going to cover?” Biden said to Register Executive Editor Carol Hunter in response to a question about the possibility of his participation in the trial. “You guys are going to cover for three weeks anything that I said. And (Trump’s) going to get away."

(Oh my- Biden refuses to consider that news media whores FOLLOW THE MOST JUICY stories and is Biden trying to avoid becoming a scandalous headline?? And HOW will “”Trump get away” if Biden gets questioned?? HOW MUCH is Biden hiding that might take legal attention away from Trump”??????????????????????)

"You guys buy into it all the time. Not a joke …" he added. "Think what it’s about. It's all about what he does all the time, his entire career. Take the focus off. This guy violated the Constitution. He said it in the driveway of the White House. He acknowledged he asked for help.”

(It is TRUE that our media whores are PRO LIE-beral - but they DO ENJOY telling a scandalous true story - so what “story” is Biden hiding?? How much does LIE-beral Biden NEED TO HIDE from LIE-beral media reporters?????????????)

The Democrat-controlled House impeached Trump earlier this month for "abuse of power" and "obstruction of Congress" related to his dealings with Ukraine. But House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has yet to deliver the articles of impeachment to the Senate.

READ THE PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR REPORT ON BIDEN'S ALLEGED 'CRIMINAL' INVOLVEMENT

Democrats have accused Trump of planning to withhold military aid from Ukraine until he could secure the promise of a public announcement from the country that it would investigate the business dealings there of Biden and his son Hunter Biden. Trump has denied that his July phone conversation with Ukraine's president involved any such quid pro quo.

(LIE-berals want us to believe Trump would be dumb enough to make hugely damaging phone calls while a HORDE of White House flacks and hacks LISTEN IN!! That Trump spoke so freely in such a public forum suggests HE BELIEVES THERE IS SOMETHING that needs investigating!! And Biden IS NOT SAYING ANYTHING that would refute the Trump view!! Refusing to speak at all as Biden is doing reminds many of us of the kind of NON response accused Mafia Dons resorted to in court !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! )

Trump and the Republicans, meanwhile, have asserted that Biden and his son have largely escaped scrutiny for their past involvement in Ukraine, and have accused the American media of downplaying the Bidens' story.

(WE KNOW that western news media is PRO LIE-beral and thus THEY WILL MINIMIZE anti LIE-beral stories - though they will not entirely hide such news - they will report anti LIE-beral stories ONCE ONLY and then BURY THEM FOREVER MORE - while trumpeting the smallest and lamest pro LIE-beral crap to the skies - so why is Biden fearful of speaking at all !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

Biden rejected that argument during a public appearance last weekend.

"No one’s taken as much heat and as many lies thrown at them as I have," Biden said during a campaign stop in Ottumwa on Dec. 20, "but again, this is not about me. It’s not about my family. It’s about the nation. And we have to reach out and unify this country."

(Apparently Biden DOES NOT FOLLOW the massive news media mud slinging contest with Trump as prime target!! Biden makes himself sound like Tony Soprano pretending to be a simple business man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

Biden said any attempts to subpoena him would be on “specious” grounds, adding that he expected it wouldn't happen.

(Uh huh- and who knows where all this impeachment crap will lead?? Thus far ALL the LIE-berals involved look sleazy, underhanded and unprepared!! LIE-berals appear to be pinning their election hopes on impeachment since they have NO POLITICAL POLICIES acceptable to the Yankee voting majority!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
 

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If he were just talking with nothing to back it up I would agree with you, but with texts, voice mails, e-mails etc to back up his claims well, that proof can't be dismissed. And is he trying to deal? Absolutely he is because that's what crooked thugs like him do and Trump and Giulaini should have known that from the get go.
Don't waste your breath. Moosie will just ignore the existence of the documentary evidence.

Just like when he swallowed the lie that Donny Dodger's tax cuts would pay for themselves. Then when the budget projections came in at trillion-dollar deficits, he said "those are just projections. Hasn't happened yet." Then since it did happen, he doesn't say anything at all.

Mexico paying for the wall? Cheers, followed by silence.

The best, cheapest health care in the world? Cheers, followed by silence.

Such is the alleged mind of a Trumplicker.
 

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Don't waste your breath. Moosie will just ignore the existence of the documentary evidence.
Just like when he swallowed the lie that Donny Dodger's tax cuts would pay for themselves. Then when the budget projections came in at trillion-dollar deficits, he said "those are just projections. Hasn't happened yet." Then since it did happen, he doesn't say anything at all.
Mexico paying for the wall? Cheers, followed by silence.
The best, cheapest health care in the world? Cheers, followed by silence.
Such is the alleged mind of a Trumplicker.


I don't get it, in the face facts mean nothing.... I just don't get it.
 

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I don't get it, in the face facts mean nothing.... I just don't get it.
It's called "the cult of personality." Somebody manages to grab onto the Zeitgeist and runs with it. He acknowledges and validates the fears of the most fearful half of the population, and gives them an object upon which to focus their hate.

Hitler and the Jews. George Wallace and blacks. Cromwell and Catholics.

Pathologically needy, terrified people will deny facts before their eyes and reasoning a five-year-old could master as long as the Dear Leader tells them they're wonderful, and the reason they're not kings of the world is because of the treachery of THAT identifiable group ("Mexicans takin' our jobs!") and the evil, perfidious traitors who enable them (Jews, liberals, educated people, whatever).

It's not even about intelligence. It's about emotional needs and chronic insecurity.

Religion works the same way.
 

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It's called "the cult of personality." Somebody manages to grab onto the Zeitgeist and runs with it. He acknowledges and validates the fears of the most fearful half of the population, and gives them an object upon which to focus their hate.
Hitler and the Jews. George Wallace and blacks. Cromwell and Catholics.
Pathologically needy, terrified people will deny facts before their eyes and reasoning a five-year-old could master as long as the Dear Leader tells them they're wonderful, and the reason they're not kings of the world is because of the treachery of THAT identifiable group ("Mexicans takin' our jobs!") and the evil, perfidious traitors who enable them (Jews, liberals, educated people, whatever).
It's not even about intelligence. It's about emotional needs and chronic insecurity.
Religion works the same way.

Spot on summation, well done.
 

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It's the difference between a conservative and a right-wing nutcase.

And to be fair, left-wing nutcases are just as bad, just as irrational, and just as needy.

The hope and enthusiasm of liberals and caution and realization that things are pretty good now of conservatives can work together to produce sound, well-considered progress. But it gets derailed, time and again, buy demagogues either promising to take people back to a past that never existed, or forward to a future that never will.
 

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: Trump administration violated the law by withholding Ukraine security assistance, nonpartisan congressional watchdog finds

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/tr...tability-office-n1117031?cid=eml_nbn_20200116


Let's face it ......the laws apply only to democrats ............... Trump's Rep........can do as they wish........and "justify" it later. It is astonishing. Two parties........two sets of legal perimeters. One being very selectively legal as it suits them.
 

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So with everything new coming out:
Trump knew.
Pence knew.
He still will get off of course, he has to because the Republicans don't have the balls to say "oh my god he did do this and we have to remove him"
But the public will know.
In the end, it'll be interesting to see how this affects Trump after it's over.


Barr knew, Nunes knew.... they all knew. Sadly he likely will get off because as you said not one Republicans has the balls or lady balls to step up and say enough.
 

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: Trump administration violated the law by withholding Ukraine security assistance, nonpartisan congressional watchdog finds
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/tr...tability-office-n1117031?cid=eml_nbn_20200116
Let's face it ......the laws apply only to democrats ............... Trump's Rep........can do as they wish........and "justify" it later. It is astonishing. Two parties........two sets of legal perimeters. One being very selectively legal as it suits them.

Can you IMAGINE if Trump was a Democrat amid this whole circus, how the Republicans would be reacting?
 

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It's the difference between a conservative and a right-wing nutcase.

And to be fair, left-wing nutcases are just as bad, just as irrational, and just as needy.

The hope and enthusiasm of liberals and caution and realization that things are pretty good now of conservatives can work together to produce sound, well-considered progress. But it gets derailed, time and again, buy demagogues either promising to take people back to a past that never existed, or forward to a future that never will.
so even "nut cases" are aligned along party lines.?? ;-) Interesting phenomena.

IMHO........a so called "nut case " is just that........and warrants psychological care and attention.

Now Political extremism........might be another story. Any fanatical ideology should be questioned.

Now Trup is a "nut case"..........We don't need a party affiliation to see that.
 

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so even "nut cases" are aligned along party lines.?? ;-) Interesting phenomena.

IMHO........a so called "nut case " is just that........and warrants psychological care and attention.

Now Political extremism........might be another story. Any fanatical ideology should be questioned.

Now Trup is a "nut case"..........We don't need a party affiliation to see that.
Kaboom!