Joe Biden
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I did. I also read the fact checker. You know, the one you posted without reading.
President Trump and his allies have made a barrage of allegations and insinuations — some legitimate, others fabricated — about the activities of Joe Biden and his son Hunter in Ukraine.
Why it matters: The president’s defenders and opponents have used a similar set of facts to shape wildly different narratives on this issue. As a result, there has been much confusion over whether Trump’s leading 2020 challenger is being unfairly maligned or has something to answer for.
Hunter Biden’s work:
True: Beginning in 2014, Hunter Biden served on the board of a Ukrainian energy company, Burisma, that faced allegations of corruption. He was paid "as much as $50,000 per month," per the NYT.
False: His work for Burisma was being investigated by a Ukrainian prosecutor.
The investigation didn't involve Hunter, and was not being actively pursued at the time in question.
Joe Biden’s intervention:
True: Joe Biden was the Obama administration's point man on Ukraine while his son was working for Burisma, visiting the country several times from 2014 to 2016.
True: The then-vice president did tell Ukrainian leaders they had to fire Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin to get $1 billion in U.S. aid, according to a version of the story Biden himself told in 2018.
False: Biden pushed for Shokin's ouster to protect his son.
European countries and international bodies had accused Shokin of failing to pursue corruption, including in the Burisma case, and wanted him fired.
Biden was also not freelancing for personal reasons — he was pursuing the Obama administration's policy.
The bottom line:
True: Hunter Biden’s role with Burisma raised conflict-of-interest concerns at the time.
The State Department claimed in 2014 that there was no conflict, noting the younger Biden was a “private citizen.”
False: There's evidence Joe Biden committed "corruption" of any sort in Ukraine, as Trump alleges.
Go deeper: Adam Entous' deep look at Hunter Biden in the New Yorker
https://www.axios.com/joe-hunter-bi...ump-1b031c30-3173-4a45-a6a7-2e551759063c.html
So is the deposition fake? No? Then I guess the fact checker must be wrong in the eyes of the Ukrainian court.
By the way I never posted the fact checker OB did
By the way I never posted the fact checker OB did
You think that a deposition is a decision of a court?
You continue to amaze with the depth of your ignorance.
Name one Impeachable offense from the Whitehouse transcript, not the hearsay leaker transcript
We know that your cultural background is from a totalitarian culture but we DO NOT demand that our security forces investigate the political opposition in Western countries. Hiring a foreign government who were under the duress of having already approved aid withheld in exchange for spying on Trump's political opposition borders on treason on a few levels.
As I’ve said, if you are aware of the transcript, it’s obvious. Are you in denial or just stupid?
For those of you that aren’t morons...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_in_the_United_States#Impeachable_offenses
“Congress has identified three general types of conduct that constitute grounds for impeachment, although these categories should not be understood as exhaustive:
(1) improperly exceeding or abusing the powers of the office;
(2) behavior incompatible with the function and purpose of the office; and
(3) misusing the office for an improper purpose or for personal gain”
It’s an open and shut case. Only idiots and liars will try and defend Trump
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_in_the_United_States#Impeachable_offenses
“Congress has identified three general types of conduct that constitute grounds for impeachment, although these categories should not be understood as exhaustive:
(1) improperly exceeding or abusing the powers of the office;
(2) behavior incompatible with the function and purpose of the office; and
(3) misusing the office for an improper purpose or for personal gain”
It’s an open and shut case. Only idiots and liars will try and defend Trump
He has been abusing his powers for sometime........since he took office.
All three items fit his behavior for Impeachment inquiry.....at the very least.
the way he is reacting........is a continuing pattern for him.......and has been since his mother caught him with his hand int he cookie jar. Lying obfuscation......distraction.
Why on earth is he asking other nations for infor / dirt on people in the US .......and his competitors. He is decompensating (mentally) and that is concerning.
and his language is so unbecoming of anyone........let alone the POTUS.
He should be focusing on the job........but is ranting like a lunatic for the world to see. What a display in front of the leader from Finland.totally cringe worthy.
Y'all do understand there ain't a chance he'll be convicted, right? They would need twenty Republican senators.
Ain't. . . gonna. . . happen.
Ain't. . . gonna. . . happen.
then the system is highly questionable. or the characters at play are highly unprofessional.
So you think his verbosity/ er defense / lies, misinformation, buffoonery and hostile tactics is going to work for him??
Nope. He won’t get re-elected. He just won’t get impeached. Too many Republicans care about party politics than ethics.
No, what works for him is the fanaticism of the Republican base.
If you're a Republican, and you don't kiss Donny Dipshit's lardiferous ass, you don't have to worry about the next general election. You'll be taken out by a drooling MAGAhat in the Republican primary.
“So one thing that is really important right now is to deny this president to change the subject, and the subject is that the president confessed on national television to an abuse of power. Let’s deal with that and not get caught in the shiny objects he’s going to throw out,” - Pete Buttigieg