It's Climate Change I tell'ya!! IT'S CLIMATE CHANGE!!

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Evidence suggests the oceans are warming. Care to produce anything that says they aren't?
Care to post how much heat the Atlantic Rift adds to the Gulf Stream or is Norway getting the heat the water picked up in the month it took to travel from Africa to the GOM?
The Pacific Blob is getting heat from the Pacific Rift that is off the coast of BC.


https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/climate-change-ocean-heat-content
Climate Change: Ocean Heat Content

The ocean is the largest solar energy collector on Earth. Not only does water cover more than 70 percent of our planet’s surface, it can also absorb large amounts of heat without a large increase in temperature. This tremendous ability to store and release heat over long periods of time gives the ocean a central role in stabilizing Earth’s climate system.
Increasing concentrations of greenhouse gases are preventing heat radiated from Earth’s surface from escaping into space as freely as it used to; most of the excess heat is being stored in the upper ocean. As a result, upper ocean heat content has increased significantly over the past two decades.


40,000 miles of Oceanic Rifts is not even mentioned, well researched or blowing smoke up the ass of John Q. Public??


Area = 0.63131313131313 miles2 wher the temp cools from moltem magma (2,000F - 70F) x 200M years equals 126,260,000‬sq mi)

Ocean surface area 139.7 million square miles / 200M years = 0.69 so they are pretty close to being the same The Pacific would have added a lot more heat to the water than the Atlantic.
 

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Evidence suggests the oceans are warming. Care to produce anything that says they aren't?
Anyways, my point stands/ Some species can't move quickly and so will become extinct. And it is due to climate change, which is contrary to your point.
As the climate always has and will animals , including humans that adapt will thrive those that cannot will be replaced . Palm trees used to grow in the artic .
 

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As the climate always has and will animals , including humans that adapt will thrive those that cannot will be replaced . Palm trees used to grow in the artic .
The "Arctic" used to be at the equator.

I hope that's not too difficult for you, pigs.
 

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The "Arctic" used to be at the equator.

I hope that's not too difficult for you, pigs.
So have you quit eating factory farmed meat and divested yourself of all oil derived products yet?



I also have a challenge for Greta and friends. If you're really serious and want to do something positive for the climate; no more phones, iPads, computers, game systems or TV's. No public transportation and no driving. No bicycles either,they need tires and lubricants. Learn to walk and enjoy the exercise, this includes going to school or work. No factory farmed animal products either. That's just for starters. There's more but if you can give up just those things on the list first, you'll have proven that you're serious and we can discuss more consumer products you should no longer purchase or own.



I have posted this several places on-line where I know there are envirotards. So far, no takers on the challenge. Can't say I'm the least bit surprised.
 

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So have you quit eating factory farmed meat and divested yourself of all oil derived products yet?
I also have a challenge for Greta and friends. If you're really serious and want to do something positive for the climate; no more phones, iPads, computers, game systems or TV's. No public transportation and no driving. No bicycles either,they need tires and lubricants. Learn to walk and enjoy the exercise, this includes going to school or work. No factory farmed animal products either. That's just for starters. There's more but if you can give up just those things on the list first, you'll have proven that you're serious and we can discuss more consumer products you should no longer purchase or own.
I have posted this several places on-line where I know there are envirotards. So far, no takers on the challenge. Can't say I'm the least bit surprised.
How big a car do YOU drive?
 

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Care to post how much heat the Atlantic Rift adds to the Gulf Stream or is Norway getting the heat the water picked up in the month it took to travel from Africa to the GOM?
The Pacific Blob is getting heat from the Pacific Rift that is off the coast of BC.


https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/climate-change-ocean-heat-content
Climate Change: Ocean Heat Content

The ocean is the largest solar energy collector on Earth. Not only does water cover more than 70 percent of our planet’s surface, it can also absorb large amounts of heat without a large increase in temperature. This tremendous ability to store and release heat over long periods of time gives the ocean a central role in stabilizing Earth’s climate system.
Increasing concentrations of greenhouse gases are preventing heat radiated from Earth’s surface from escaping into space as freely as it used to; most of the excess heat is being stored in the upper ocean. As a result, upper ocean heat content has increased significantly over the past two decades.


40,000 miles of Oceanic Rifts is not even mentioned, well researched or blowing smoke up the ass of John Q. Public??


Area = 0.63131313131313 miles2 wher the temp cools from moltem magma (2,000F - 70F) x 200M years equals 126,260,000‬sq mi)

Ocean surface area 139.7 million square miles / 200M years = 0.69 so they are pretty close to being the same The Pacific would have added a lot more heat to the water than the Atlantic.
Nope.
 

petros

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Example: warmer oceans causes a lot of sealife to migrate to cooler parts. Those that can't move that quickly will die off, like corals, for instance.On land, it would be vegetation dying off.
Corals have survived 7000ppm of CO2, several mass extinctions, far far warmer oceans and dozens of ice ages.

They aren't going anywhere.
 

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It would be a step up for the prisoners at Baffin Correctional Center as they are presently lab rats in medical experiments for the WHO. I can see why there would be a lot of resistance to losing that status with the World Bank, It shows quite clealy who should be in jail though. That would include you own mother wouldn't it pete??

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/jun/19/private-prison-companies-canada-lawsuits
Private prison companies look to Canada as industry faces lawsuits in US

US private prison firms are targeting Canada for fresh opportunities as pressure builds at home on the troubled multi-billion dollar industry from human rights groups and legal actions, and as more states look to scale back their reliance on them.
Two of the biggest operators in an industry once regarded as recession-proof, Geo Group and Management and Training Corporation (MTC), have been lobbying various government departments in the Canadian capital, Ottawa.
With a massive prison overhaul plan already underway – as well as the passage in March of Bill C-10, a suite of crime legislation that most observers agree will see more Canadians face prison time and keep those already locked up behind bars for longer – it seems the American industry's interest in its neighbour to the north could not come at a better time.
The private industry's lobbying of Canadian lawmakers has some Canadian prison watchers worried. "There is something unethical with having corporations seeking profits from locking people up," wrote a group of former high-ranking Canadian justice officials to the Kingston Whig-Standard newspaper in March.
Mike Murphy, marketing director for the Utah-based MTC, confirmed the company's interest in Canada. "When the conservative government came into play we saw some headlines that they may be looking at PPP's [private-public partnerships] and talking about doing some stuff with the private sector through their [corrections] infrastructure renewal," he said.
"If something does happen we'll be interested both on the design, build, finance, as well if there's any interest in private operations, which has been kind of controversial up in Canada versus the states, where it's pretty predominant," added Murphy.
While the Geo Group are second in the private prison business (after Corrections Corporation of America), with revenue of over $1bn in 2011, they have consistently been the subject of critical media reports due to a long line of legal actions against them for trouble and neglect at some of their facilities.
Perhaps the best known case of Geo's troubles at home was a class action suit brought forward by the Southern Poverty Law Center and the ACLU on behalf of the inmates of the Walnut Grove Youth Correctional Facility in Mississippi. The allegations spelled out in the lawsuit detail a culture of corruption and violence including staff setting up fights between inmates and betting on the outcome.
Sheila Bedi, the lead council for the current and former inmates in the class action, said Geo had a significant influence creating the need for the facility, "largely because of their priority of increasing their profits".
The state of Mississippi and the plaintiffs reached an agreement in February that will ensure that young offenders under 17 will no longer be housed in the private prison. Geo has since announced that they will be shutting down all of their operations in the state by July.
In March the Arizona Journal reported that the NAACP and a Quaker group are asking that the state prevent Geo and Management and Training Corporation from bidding on new prison beds because of a raft of issues they say come with the private providers, including cost-effectiveness and safety issues.
Geo was also found guilty last July in the wrongful death of inmate Ronald Sites in their Lawton Correctional facility in Oklahoma. Another inmate was killed at the facility in April.
"I was engaged basically to give them an overview of what the situation was in Canada and where it might go," said Patrick Gagnon, a managing partner with the influential Parliamentary Group and the registered lobbyist for the Geo Group in Canada. According to Gagnon his role was to highlight Geo's operations in the UK and Australia in meetings with Canadian officials.
In an emailed response to the Guardian a Public Service Canada spokesperson confirmed that in 2011 Geo offered to set up a tour of the company's Australian facilities but the offer was declined.
In January there was a riot and armed rooftop takeover of the Geo-run Fulham Correctional Centre near Sale, Australia, while in April staff at the facility were threatening to strike over pay and staffing issues.
'That is not the direction that Canada should be going'

Neither Geo nor Management and Training Corporation are strangers to Canada – nor to controversy here – as both companies have been connected to private prison projects in two provinces.
Management and Training Corporation was awarded the first-ever contract to operate a facility in Penetanguishene, Ontario, in the mid-1990s by the then-provincial conservative government. But the private contract was seen to be inefficient and beset with problems when compared to a nearby publically run facility. The contract wasn't renewed when the current Liberal government came to power.
While Geo – then known as Wackenhut – never left, it was protested out of the operating side of the private youth prison business in New Brunswick. It still has a "maintenance-only" contract for the Miramichi Youth Detention Facility there – a facility Geo financed and built – which the province has leased back from the company since 1998 for $1.8m a year.
"Private prisons have been tried and failed in Ontario and New Brunswick, and that is not the direction that Canada should be going," said Randall Garrison, the Public Safety Critic for the Official Opposition New Democratic Party (NDP) in Ottawa.
Adding to the speculation and handwringing about what the future of incarceration in Canada may look like was the surprise announcement in April by the public safety minister that the notorious 170-year-old Kingston Penitentiary would be closed, along with the multi-million-dollar mental health facility within its walls, and the Leclerc Institution in Laval, Quebec.
"We continue to ask: 'What is your plan? How are you going to relocate the number of inmates that you're talking about without the infrastructure?" said Jason Godin, a spokesperson for the Union of Correctional Officers. And while for Godin the government's prison plans may not be clear he's certain that safer communities won't come from privatising prisons.
"You don't hear any more [about Correctional Service of Canada's plans] until they're putting the shovels in the ground," said Justin Piché, an assistant professor at Memorial University and prison policy blogger.
Elizabeth Weir led the charge against Geo operating the youth prison in Mirimachi, New Brunswick, back in the 1990s while she was leader of the provincial New Democratic Party. For Weir it would not be wrong to ask if the federal conservative government's correctional plans include services provided by the private prison industry, given "this government's inclination".
In an emailed reply to questions from the Guardian a spokesperson for the public safety minister wrote: "We have no appetite to pursue fully privatised prisons."
"We shall see what the government position or policy framework might be. It's still early days," said Patrick Gagnon, the lobbyist for Geo Group in Ottawa. "Is there something that could perhaps be applied to Canada? That's the big question."


https://www.fraserinstitute.org/sites/default/files/PrivatizingCorrectionalServicesIntro.pdf
 

petros

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It would be a step up for the prisoners at Baffin Correctional Center as they are presently lab rats in medical experiments for the WHO. I can see why there would be a lot of resistance to losing that status with the World Bank, It shows quite clealy who should be in jail though. That would include you own mother wouldn't it pete??
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/jun/19/private-prison-companies-canada-lawsuits
Private prison companies look to Canada as industry faces lawsuits in US
US private prison firms are targeting Canada for fresh opportunities as pressure builds at home on the troubled multi-billion dollar industry from human rights groups and legal actions, and as more states look to scale back their reliance on them.
Two of the biggest operators in an industry once regarded as recession-proof, Geo Group and Management and Training Corporation (MTC), have been lobbying various government departments in the Canadian capital, Ottawa.
With a massive prison overhaul plan already underway – as well as the passage in March of Bill C-10, a suite of crime legislation that most observers agree will see more Canadians face prison time and keep those already locked up behind bars for longer – it seems the American industry's interest in its neighbour to the north could not come at a better time.
The private industry's lobbying of Canadian lawmakers has some Canadian prison watchers worried. "There is something unethical with having corporations seeking profits from locking people up," wrote a group of former high-ranking Canadian justice officials to the Kingston Whig-Standard newspaper in March.
Mike Murphy, marketing director for the Utah-based MTC, confirmed the company's interest in Canada. "When the conservative government came into play we saw some headlines that they may be looking at PPP's [private-public partnerships] and talking about doing some stuff with the private sector through their [corrections] infrastructure renewal," he said.
"If something does happen we'll be interested both on the design, build, finance, as well if there's any interest in private operations, which has been kind of controversial up in Canada versus the states, where it's pretty predominant," added Murphy.
While the Geo Group are second in the private prison business (after Corrections Corporation of America), with revenue of over $1bn in 2011, they have consistently been the subject of critical media reports due to a long line of legal actions against them for trouble and neglect at some of their facilities.
Perhaps the best known case of Geo's troubles at home was a class action suit brought forward by the Southern Poverty Law Center and the ACLU on behalf of the inmates of the Walnut Grove Youth Correctional Facility in Mississippi. The allegations spelled out in the lawsuit detail a culture of corruption and violence including staff setting up fights between inmates and betting on the outcome.
Sheila Bedi, the lead council for the current and former inmates in the class action, said Geo had a significant influence creating the need for the facility, "largely because of their priority of increasing their profits".
The state of Mississippi and the plaintiffs reached an agreement in February that will ensure that young offenders under 17 will no longer be housed in the private prison. Geo has since announced that they will be shutting down all of their operations in the state by July.
In March the Arizona Journal reported that the NAACP and a Quaker group are asking that the state prevent Geo and Management and Training Corporation from bidding on new prison beds because of a raft of issues they say come with the private providers, including cost-effectiveness and safety issues.
Geo was also found guilty last July in the wrongful death of inmate Ronald Sites in their Lawton Correctional facility in Oklahoma. Another inmate was killed at the facility in April.
"I was engaged basically to give them an overview of what the situation was in Canada and where it might go," said Patrick Gagnon, a managing partner with the influential Parliamentary Group and the registered lobbyist for the Geo Group in Canada. According to Gagnon his role was to highlight Geo's operations in the UK and Australia in meetings with Canadian officials.
In an emailed response to the Guardian a Public Service Canada spokesperson confirmed that in 2011 Geo offered to set up a tour of the company's Australian facilities but the offer was declined.
In January there was a riot and armed rooftop takeover of the Geo-run Fulham Correctional Centre near Sale, Australia, while in April staff at the facility were threatening to strike over pay and staffing issues.
'That is not the direction that Canada should be going'
Neither Geo nor Management and Training Corporation are strangers to Canada – nor to controversy here – as both companies have been connected to private prison projects in two provinces.
Management and Training Corporation was awarded the first-ever contract to operate a facility in Penetanguishene, Ontario, in the mid-1990s by the then-provincial conservative government. But the private contract was seen to be inefficient and beset with problems when compared to a nearby publically run facility. The contract wasn't renewed when the current Liberal government came to power.
While Geo – then known as Wackenhut – never left, it was protested out of the operating side of the private youth prison business in New Brunswick. It still has a "maintenance-only" contract for the Miramichi Youth Detention Facility there – a facility Geo financed and built – which the province has leased back from the company since 1998 for $1.8m a year.
"Private prisons have been tried and failed in Ontario and New Brunswick, and that is not the direction that Canada should be going," said Randall Garrison, the Public Safety Critic for the Official Opposition New Democratic Party (NDP) in Ottawa.
Adding to the speculation and handwringing about what the future of incarceration in Canada may look like was the surprise announcement in April by the public safety minister that the notorious 170-year-old Kingston Penitentiary would be closed, along with the multi-million-dollar mental health facility within its walls, and the Leclerc Institution in Laval, Quebec.
"We continue to ask: 'What is your plan? How are you going to relocate the number of inmates that you're talking about without the infrastructure?" said Jason Godin, a spokesperson for the Union of Correctional Officers. And while for Godin the government's prison plans may not be clear he's certain that safer communities won't come from privatising prisons.
"You don't hear any more [about Correctional Service of Canada's plans] until they're putting the shovels in the ground," said Justin Piché, an assistant professor at Memorial University and prison policy blogger.
Elizabeth Weir led the charge against Geo operating the youth prison in Mirimachi, New Brunswick, back in the 1990s while she was leader of the provincial New Democratic Party. For Weir it would not be wrong to ask if the federal conservative government's correctional plans include services provided by the private prison industry, given "this government's inclination".
In an emailed reply to questions from the Guardian a spokesperson for the public safety minister wrote: "We have no appetite to pursue fully privatised prisons."
"We shall see what the government position or policy framework might be. It's still early days," said Patrick Gagnon, the lobbyist for Geo Group in Ottawa. "Is there something that could perhaps be applied to Canada? That's the big question."
https://www.fraserinstitute.org/sites/default/files/PrivatizingCorrectionalServicesIntro.pdf
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