Why Britain decided to leave the EU – but other countries haven’t

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Why us? Why is the UK the first – and only – country to decide to leave the EU? Greenland, Algeria (when it was part of the French empire) and the French Caribbean island of St Barthélemy have all been in the EU and are no more, but the UK is the first full member country to hold a referendum and decide ‘enough’. Why us, and not one of the many other members nursing doubts about the EU?

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Why Britain decided to leave the EU – but other countries haven’t

Anthony Browne


EU members’ flags displayed at the start of a summit in June 2018. Photo: BEN STANSALL/AFP/Getty Images

Anthony Browne
29 December 2018
The Spectator

Why us? Why is the UK the first – and only – country to decide to leave the EU? Greenland, Algeria (when it was part of the French empire) and the French Caribbean island of St Barthélemy have all been in the EU and are no more, but the UK is the first full member country to hold a referendum and decide ‘enough’. Why us, and not one of the many other members nursing doubts about the EU?

There are many reasons, none of which are to do with us being more inward looking or racist. We are an island, but arguably the most outward looking EU nation. We do have issues with racism, but various studies have concluded we are among the least racist countries in Europe. But being an island does mean we see ourselves apart from the rest of the EU in ways other members don’t (our sockets are different, we drive on the other side, and if there is fog in the Channel we think Europe is cut off). In contrast, being able to drive casually into a next door country does make you feel more intimately tied to them.

We are by some margin the largest non-founding member (the three others of the ‘big four’ – Germany, France, Italy – were all founders.) As a non-founder we have never really felt it is ‘our’ project; as a large country we have the confidence to divorce in the way a smaller country wouldn’t.

But there are also fundamental differences in national psychology that have fuelled Euroscepticism here. We have a triumphalist mentality fuelled by our history of world wars and empire (and evident in our football hooligans). We are the only EU member that sees the Second World War as a moment of national triumph, which is because we are the only EU member that actually won the Second World War (with the USSR and USA, and other non-EU allies). All other EU members were neutral, occupied or defeated, and see it primarily as a time of tragedy, shame and sorrow. That means that arguments that we need the EU to stop war happening again don’t resonate with the public here in the way they do in mainland EU (especially in the older generations). In mainland Europe, you keep bumping into sites of major battles, making the world wars feel ever present.


Greenland left the EU in 1985 after gaining more autonomy from Denmark

We are just about the only EU member that has not had experience of dictatorship in living memory (Sweden is the other major exception). In Germany, Italy, France, Spain, Poland, Hungary, Greece, Portugal, Belgium, the Netherlands, Denmark, Lithuania and so on, the older generations remember what it is like to live under a dictatorship – sometimes into the 1970s and 80s – where the government really is the enemy. That is not true in the UK. That leads to a far more fundamental trust in our own government and institutions than in almost all other EU countries. I know that might sound incredible with our politics in the doldrums, but we fundamentally expect and unashamedly demand our government works for us, in a way that is very rare in other EU countries, where the population are often astonishingly suspicious of their governments. In Italy, for example, people so distrust their successive national governments because of their incompetence and corruption that they have been generally happy to transfer power to Brussels as a way to raise standards. In the UK, Denmark and Sweden, popular belief in democracy is notably more fundamental than other EU members, quite simple because we have been practicing it continuously for so much longer (albeit interrupted by Nazi occupation in Denmark’s case).

Finally, we are the only EU member with an alternative family we belong to. Living in Brussels, I was always impressed by how much other EU diplomats felt their countries had to hang together to protect themselves against the outside world. ‘It is all we have: each other,’ I remember one explaining. But as a country we also feel very close – indeed closer – to the US, Canada, Australia and New Zealand. It is not just at government level with agreements like the Five Eyes intelligence sharing regime and (except the US) a common head of state, but it is part of our culture, as a result of shared history and language. If you look at the statistics on where British people go to study, go on holiday, go to work, and who they marry, we are far closer to these other English speaking countries than any other EU country is. No other EU country has that alternative large and successful developed family (yes, Spain has much of Latin America, Portugal has Brazil, France has Quebec, the Netherlands has the Afrikaaners, but in no case is it a large family of peers; the Scandinavian countries are all very close, but three of them are already in the EU). A third of the global economy is countries we feel very close to who speak our language, and that makes us more secure as a country about striking out on our own. Leading Australian politicians have been notably vocal in urging us to leave the EU and come back to our family.

None of this is an argument for Brexit, but it does help explain why Euroscepticism led to a referendum to leave the EU here, and not anywhere else.

Anthony Browne is a former Europe editor of TheTimes.

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So basically the UK is the outsider, has always been the outsider and is tired of being the outsider.

Understandable really.

The UK - with Blackie as a sad example - also still has this superiority complex that it's better than everyone so it doesn't *need* people.

That said, maybe Brexit is the way for the Brits to go. I just hope that it's not a mistake.
 

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So basically the UK is the outsider, has always been the outsider and is tired of being the outsider.

Course it's the outsider - and in a good way. Let's be honest here - why on Earth would Great Britain in any way want to be like Ireland, France, Belgium, the Netherlands, Germany and her other clearly inferior neighbours with their embarrassing and less-than-glorious histories?

Why on Earth would the British wish to stay in the EU and have their unique cultures and traditions disappear and become part of a set of boring, grey, uniform, pan-European cultures and traditions that the EU has in store for its 27 unfortunate remaining states?

The UK - with Blackie as a sad example - also still has this superiority complex that it's better than everyone so it doesn't *need* people.
That said, maybe Brexit is the way for the Brits to go. I just hope that it's not a mistake.

The UK is the greatest country and civilisation that has ever existed on this planet.
 

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So basically the UK is the outsider, has always been the outsider and is tired of being the outsider.

Understandable really.

The UK - with Blackie as a sad example - also still has this superiority complex that it's better than everyone so it doesn't *need* people.

That said, maybe Brexit is the way for the Brits to go. I just hope that it's not a mistake.
It puts them ahead of history . The EU is bound to failure . Nationalism is raising it’s ugly head throughout Europe , immigration issues and sovereign debt crisis will split the EU . Who will be left holding the bag ?
 

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So often the British choose the right option.

I remember in the months before the euro currency was introduced on 1st January 2002 when there was a big national debate about whether Britain should ditch the pound and adopt the new currency. Europhiles kept telling us that Britain would suffer if it didn't join the euro, whilst those countries who had would power ahead. I remember them saying that little Paris and Frankfurt would surpass mighty London as financial centres. Of course, we kept the pound because the then Chancellor of the Exchequer Gordon Brown decided we should do do, in one of the few things he got right either as Chancellor or, later, as PM. And what happened? Britain has outpaced the euro members economically and, rather than Paris and Frankfurt surpassing London, Britain's capital has just pulled further ahead of them. Most eurozone members - most notably Greece and Italy but also others like Ireland - have been in the economic doldrums for no reason other than the fact they no longer have a currency they don't control, and instead have their interest rates set by the ECB in Germany which always sets interest rates to suit the German economy and the German economy only. So the europhiles - or Remainers as we now call them - have been proven wrong when they said Britain would suffer outside the euro. In reality, it would have suffered IN it.

And this will be similar to Brexit. Again Britain made the wise choice. I can't wait five years from now, when Britain is booming and the EU and its member states are collapsing, when I look back and think how laughably wrong and silly the Remainers were and how spot on the Brexiteers were. And I won't be the only one doing it.

I wonder if the Remainers will apologise to us.
 

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So often the British choose the right option.

I remember in the months before the euro currency was introduced on 1st January 2002 when there was a big national debate about whether Britain should ditch the pound and adopt the new currency. Europhiles kept telling us that Britain would suffer if it didn't join the euro, whilst those countries who had would power ahead. I remember them saying that little Paris and Frankfurt would surpass mighty London as financial centres. Of course, we kept the pound because the then Chancellor of the Exchequer Gordon Brown decided we should do do, in one of the few things he got right either as Chancellor or, later, as PM. And what happened? Britain has outpaced the euro members economically and, rather than Paris and Frankfurt surpassing London, Britain's capital has just pulled further ahead of them. Most eurozone members - most notably Greece and Italy but also others like Ireland - have been in the economic doldrums for no reason other than the fact they no longer have a currency they don't control, and instead have their interest rates set by the ECB in Germany which always sets interest rates to suit the German economy and the German economy only. So the europhiles - or Remainers as we now call them - have been proven wrong when they said Britain would suffer outside the euro. In reality, it would have suffered IN it.

And this will be similar to Brexit. Again Britain made the wise choice. I can't wait five years from now, when Britain is booming and the EU and its member states are collapsing, when I look back and think how laughably wrong and silly the Remainers were and how spot on the Brexiteers were. And I won't be the only one doing it.

I wonder if the Remainers will apologise to us.
They will blame you .
 

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Course it's the outsider - and in a good way. Let's be honest here - why on Earth would Great Britain in any way want to be like Ireland, France, Belgium, the Netherlands, Germany and her other clearly inferior neighbours with their embarrassing and less-than-glorious histories?


But let's not forget the embarrassing and less than glorious histories of Britain too. The Brits aren't like the other nations, but they ARE similar enough where it counts.


Why on Earth would the British wish to stay in the EU and have their unique cultures and traditions disappear and become part of a set of boring, grey, uniform, pan-European cultures and traditions that the EU has in store for its 27 unfortunate remaining states?


To be fair, I don't get that either. But I also see why being part of a combined interest group has its benefits. Trading culture for uniformity though I'm not sure I'm good with.


The UK is the greatest country and civilisation that has ever existed on this planet.

Oi...

It is A great civilization, but not THE greatest.
 

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But let's not forget the embarrassing and less than glorious histories of Britain too.

Britain doesn't have an embarrassing and less than glorious history. It has a glorious, proud history and is the world's oldest-surviving democracy.

The Brits aren't like the other nations, but they ARE similar enough where it counts.


Britain has far more in common with the Anglosphere and Commonwealth than she does with the French and Germans and Latvians.

But I also see why being part of a combined interest group has its benefits.

Maybe you should petition your Prime Minister for Canada to join the EU. It'll be interesting to see how long you can tolerate your country adopting the euro, adopting free movement of people, adopting an EU passport, seeing the gold stars on a blue background rather than the red leaf on a white background flying from your public buildings and being ruled by a largely unelected bunch of French, German, Dutch, Spanish, Austrian, Estonian, Cypriot etc bureaucrats with Parliament Hill being made largely redundant. I suspect it'd not be long before you become a Leaver.

It is A great civilization, but not THE greatest.

Of course it is.
 

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Slightly anti-Brexit, as most videos on the internet are (most Remainers don't work so have a lot of time on their hands), but still hilarious all the same: