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spilledthebeer

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The Chinese have taken a Canadian hostage. PLA ... PLO ... what's the difference, really?


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Sadly -Curious Cdn is RIGHT on this one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Chinese Peoples Liberation Army is no more a friend to Canada than Palestinian Liberation organization!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


What IS significant is that Our idiot Boy Justin and his loser LIE-berals SEE NO THREAT in either PLA or PLO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

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China confirms detention of two Canadians

BEIJNG, China - Two Canadian men have been detained in China on suspicion of "endangering national security," the country's foreign ministry said Thursday.
Spokesman Lu Kang confirmed that entrepreneur Michael Spavor and former Canadian diplomat Michael Kovrig were taken into custody on Monday and that they are being handled separately.
Canada has been informed of the detentions, Lu said, but declined to say whether the men have been provided with lawyers.
The two cases ratchet up pressure on Canada, which is holding an executive of Chinese telecommunications giant Huawei.

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Chinese state media urges Canada to defy U.S., free Huawei executive

SHANGHAI/BEIJING (Reuters) - Canada should distance itself from U.S. "hegemonism" and grant unconditional freedom to Meng Wanzhou, a top executive of China's Huawei detained in Vancouver on Washington's request, state-owned tabloid Global Times said in a Thursday editorial.
Meng, the chief financial officer of Huawei Technologies [HWT.UL], has been accused by U.S. prosecutors of misleading banks about transactions linked to Iran, putting the banks at risk of violating sanctions. She was arrested on Dec. 1 and released on bail on Tuesday.
The United States needs to make a formal extradition request within 60 days of her arrest, which a Canadian judge will weigh to determine whether the case against Meng is strong enough. Then it is up to Canada's justice minister to decide whether to extradite her.
Meng has no criminal record anywhere in the world and her arrest violates a U.S.-Canada extradition agreement, the Global Times said, adding that Canada could end the crisis immediately by freeing Meng unconditionally, rather than acting as the "51st state" of the United States.
"Canada should distance itself from U.S. hegemonism and fulfill its obligations to help maintain international order and protect human rights," it said.
Even before the arrest, pressure from the United States has been forcing Huawei on to the back foot in telecom markets.
Washington has long expressed worries that Huawei's ties to Beijing make the network equipment it sells a security risk.
Huawei, the world's largest supplier of telecommunications network equipment and second-biggest maker of smartphones, has repeatedly denied accusations that it facilitates Chinese espionage.
"I am proud of Huawei, I am proud of my motherland," Meng said in a post on Chinese social media after her release.
Meng's arrest and Huawei's struggle to allay security fears have triggered a wave of sympathy on Chinese social media.
"She has a strong motherland at her back," wrote one user on the Twitter-like Weibo.
DETAINED CANADIAN
Authorities in China are holding former Canadian diplomat Michael Kovrig on suspicion of engaging in activities harmful to national security. He was detained on Monday.
The Global Times said there was no evidence Kovrig's arrest was in any way connected to the case, but added, "the assumption is because Canada has gone too far and people naturally believe China will retaliate".
Canadian Foreign Minister Chrystia Freeland warned the United States on Wednesday not to politicize extradition cases, a day after President Donald Trump said he would intervene in the case if it served national security interests.
In another editorial on Thursday, the official China Daily newspaper accused the United States of manufacturing the diplomatic incident in order to serve political ends.
"Washington is mistaken if it thinks it can take Meng hostage and ransom her for concessions in the upcoming trade talks," it said.


How come Freeland isn't tearing up the tweeterverse about human right abuses in China now?
 

spilledthebeer

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Chinese state media urges Canada to defy U.S., free Huawei executive




How come Freeland isn't tearing up the tweeterverse about human right abuses in China now?


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IT is NOT Canada that "has been caught in the middle" between China and United States!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


It is only Our idiot Boy Justin and his loser LIE-berals that are caught!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Most Cdns recognize that China is run by a ruthless SOVIET DICTATORSHIP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


That China has a stock market and offers up the APPEARANCE of a more or less free market economy DOES NOT mean there is much freedom or any real civil rights in China!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The Chinese propaganda effort simply give our LIE-berals the EXCUSE they need to cosy up to China by PRETENDING the Chinese are less dangerous than they are!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Cdn LIE-berals have been demonstrating their anti Yankee sentiments for many years and the LIE-beral position- that we would somehow be betteer off if we had more Chinese influence and contacts is MADNESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And now our LIE-berals are CAUGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


China has been caught CHEATING on the United Nations sanctions against the radical Muslim regime in Iran that wants to build atomic weapons - and who MAY BE CRAZY ENOUGH TO USE THOSE WEAPONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Iran is convinced that Israel MUST BE DESTROYED- or there can be NO PEACE in Middle EAST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


IRANIAN RADICALS SEEM COMPLACENT ABOUT NUCLEAR WAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And Chinese are helping crazy Iranian radicals arm themselves- and HOW can this be good for Canada?????????????????


Having the Iranians exposed as potentially nuclear armed loons and the Chinese as their enablers is messing with Cdn LIE-beral plan to demonstrate their hostility to white privilege and suck up votes from anti white and anti Yankee BIGOTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


So Our idiot Boy has been caught out !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


He had no choice but to pick a side over the Huawei business!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Refusal to make the arrest might very well have led to MORE YANKEE SANCTIONS against Cdn goods!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And Our idiot Boy has handled NAFTA so well that neither he nor we can afford any more of his "successes"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And Canada has been led back into supporting the west- atleast in this small way- arresting the Huawei CEO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


REAL Cdn support of the west would involve immediately CANCELING the Huawei installation of 5G technology in Canada because it



is so heavily loaded with spy gear and the capacity to cripple Cdn infrastructure in time of conflict- by shutting down Cdn electrical



generating stations, erasing bank information and deleting stock market trading records and etc!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



This capacity to spy and to ATTACK us is the specific reason that United States, Britain, Australia and New Zealand have REFUSED



to allow the latest generation of Huawei technology into their countries!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



It is only Our idiot Boy who thinks the Chinese are innocent in all things!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Just like his papa Pierre who could heap praise on Chairman Mao for "his genius in rushing 30 million Chinese to the gallows"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



That the Chinese have just arrested 2 Cdns on totally Fake charges - and the Chinese have done so out of SPITE for having their cheating on Iran exposed- and because they are angry over their Huawei CHEATING being exposed as well- is actually a GOOD THING!!!!!!!!!!


Chinese bullying will make it harder for Our idiot Boy to cozy up to CHINA - at the expense of our TRUE ALLIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



WE can now SEE CLEARLY the bully boy regime Our idiot Boy wants us to BLINDLY TRUST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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The Chinese have taken another hostage. Now we see what China is really like ... a king-sized North Korea.

What do you think? Should we be grabbing random Chinese people off of the streets and holding THEM hostage?
 

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The Chinese have taken another hostage. Now we see what China is really like ... a king-sized North Korea.
What do you think? Should we be grabbing random Chinese people off of the streets and holding THEM hostage?

Absolutely not. We do need to make a clear distinction between the government of the People's Republic of China and the Chinese nation as a ethnic, cultural, and linguistic community.

I think that Canada should limit all trade with China to that through sole proprietorships and worker cooperatives simply because it would be more difficult for the Government of the PRC to interfere in the Canadian economy on a mass scale through such businesses. What we shouldn't do is block tade outright since building cultural tiwes between the Canadian and Chinese nations on an interpersonal level is highly valuable to both nations. The trick is to try to push the government of the PRC out of the way at least to the degree possible without closing China off completely.
 

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Absolutely not. We do need to make a clear distinction between the government of the People's Republic of China and the Chinese nation as a ethnic, cultural, and linguistic community.
I think that Canada should limit all trade with China to that through sole proprietorships and worker cooperatives simply because it would be more difficult for the Government of the PRC to interfere in the Canadian economy on a mass scale through such businesses. What we shouldn't do is block tade outright since building cultural tiwes between the Canadian and Chinese nations on an interpersonal level is highly valuable to both nations. The trick is to try to push the government of the PRC out of the way at least to the degree possible without closing China off completely.
You mean let's make a distinction between the official Chinese thugocracy and that traditional Chinese culture that considers themselves to be at the centre of the Earth and the rest of us to be sub-human barbarians?
 

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You mean let's make a distinction between the official Chinese thugocracy and that traditional Chinese culture that considers themselves to be at the centre of the Earth and the rest of us to be sub-human barbarians?

Why do you hang out with Chinese who treat you like a sub-human barbarian when there are plenty of more respectiful Chinese to choose as friends?

Consider classical Chinese literature too: 'All within the four seas are brothers.' 'One family under heaven.'
 

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Why do you hang out with Chinese who treat you like a sub-human barbarian when there are plenty of more respectiful Chinese to choose as friends?
Consider classical Chinese literature too: 'All within the four seas are brothers.' 'One family under heaven.'
I used to "hang out" with a large group of Chinese kids as I was one of their accompanying adult leaders. There is no question about it that they treated the Caucasian leaders with far less respect and deference that they did the Chinese parents. Racism runs in families. You learn it from your parents.
 

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I used to "hang out" with a large group of Chinese kids as I was one of their accompanying adult leaders. There is no question about it that they treated the Caucasian leaders with far less respect and deference that they did the Chinese parents. Racism runs in families. You learn it from your parents.

And how is that different among parents of any race?
 

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I used to "hang out" with a large group of Chinese kids as I was one of their accompanying adult leaders. There is no question about it that they treated the Caucasian leaders with far less respect and deference that they did the Chinese parents. Racism runs in families. You learn it from your parents.
And if we believe some folks around here....only whites can be racist!
 

spilledthebeer

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Isn't that belief racist in its own right?


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LIE-berals are trying frantically to HIDE the biggest problem being exposed by the Huawei business!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


That Our idiot Boy Justin had told us "he LIKES the way the Chinese get things done"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And Our idiot Boy MEANS IT TOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-berals spew Fake News like demented manure spreaders but WE CAN accept Our idiot Boy at face value on this one!!!!!!!!!!!!



Yes- Our idiot Boy likes Chinese Communists BETTER than he likes Yankees or Brits!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


ALL LIE-beral party policy is built on LIES- that are specifically designed to END WHITE PRIVILEGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Or to use the older phrase favoured by Pierre Trudeau- "Cdn Imperialism"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


It does not matter if you speak of white privilege or of Cdn Imperialism - the end result is the same!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The Trudeau family WANTS to limit our democracy and free speech- and then install Our idiot Boy as "president for life" as if Canada was a banana republic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




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Here is an article illustrating the HUGE economic mess that LIE-berals have made of international trade. The article illustrates that trade and job issues can not be sorted out by giving control over to a committee made up of LIE-beral loons such as Our idiot Boy Justin and a cabal of third world despots from places like China, Russia and Iran! With some comments of my own in brackets):
GUEST COLUMN: Trump, trade and the China syndrome
Special to Postmedia Network

Published: December 29, 2017. Updated: December 29, 2017 6:00 PM EST

Filed Under: Toronto SUN/ Opinion/ Columnists

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David T. Jones, Special to Postmedia Network. For centuries there was no question of trade being for “mutual benefit”.

Rather, states sought colonies, essentially for exploitation, to extract useful material from at low prices, while dumping excess industrial products manufactured in the “mother country” at high cost.

Ostensibly, economic theory eventually moved on to “mutual benefit” with the emphasis on “comparative advantage”, wherein each country provides the products it produces most efficiently and a trade balance results.

This theory falters when countries with effectively nothing worthy of trade end up borrowing from those countries who still push products upon them. The resulting debt loads have economy-distorting consequences for both borrowers and lenders.

(Much of our current trade problem is related to credit. In a gold based economy- meaning your wealth is measured in gold coins and your spending is limited by how many coins you have; and prices are regulated as well since the seller may choose to accept fewer coins- on the grounds that a cheap sale is better than no sale- if you are poor. But all these mechanisms that used to regulate sales and trade are GONE! Swept away in a tide of paper money and easy credit.)

(After WW2, western govts chose to end the “gold standard”- the traditional measurement of wealth- in large part because of all the looting and destruction that occurred during the war- staggering sums of gold and art and all manner of stuff was stolen or lost. Going off that gold standard allowed govt to get things running again while police sifted through various claims for compensation and ownership that are still going on 70 years later- with various art galleries arguing over who owns what. Problem is the gold standard is gone and it has not been replaced- there is no longer any real control over trade and deficits. This permits bankrupt Greeks to hide the scale of their bankruptcy. And it allows Chinese and other third world countries to manipulate currency on a grand scale.)

One classic approach for a country developing its industry and economy is to put high tariffs on imported goods. Theoretically, once these industries are strong enough to “stand on their own”, the tariffs can be reduced or eliminated.

Of course, that approach reduces profits of the now powerful manufacturers, who see no interest in enhancing competition. For a generation following World War II, the U.S. had no realtrade competition. It was the global powerhouse for manufacturing efficiency and technological innovation.

U.S. products, particularly automobiles, supported a vast U.S. middle class in which an auto worker could count on a well-paid, lifetime job. The U.S. ran trade surpluses and was the great global lender. Goods imported from other countries were regarded as cheap and shoddy.

But then the U.S. lost its “mojo.” Competitors, most notably Japan, were able to take advantage of new factories, using new technology and cheap labor. They challenged simultaneous U.S. technological failures, high prices, and social arrogance. U.S. cars were suddenly inferior.

The media were besieged with articles and studies suggesting Japan was about to lead the world in everything. Japan obliged this fear by purchasing a wide array of highly visible U.S. properties.

(The reality is that Japan was accumulating a mass of Yankee dollars and needed to do something with this cash- and what better idea than to re-invest that cash in United States? Japan took paper money that can and does fluctuate in value- and one has only to look at the vast crap game/floating casino that is the stock market to understand how volatile mere paper is- and turned their dollars into hard assets- such as real estate- which happens to be a product in ever shorter supply and ever increasing value!)

U.S. government trade efforts focused on thwarting Japan, and in an ancillary manner Mexico, whose low labor prices were (supposedly) producing a “vast sucking sound,” in Ross Perot’s words, pulling U.S. jobs south of the Rio Grande.

(Yes- that “vast sucking sound” was heard here in Canada as well- with the LIE-beral Chretien govt presiding over a debauched Cdn economy where our dollar hit $63 cents U.S. A combination of low Mexican wages and insane LIE-beral vote buying nearly bankrupted Canada! Only major tax increases by LIE-berals and serious cuts to federal fund transfers to the provinces reversed the flow of red ink! And later, the Conservative govt of Harper held the line on federal wage increases for civil service Hogs! Frugality is a good thing- too bad LIE-berals despise it and must literally have guns put to their heads to make them save a penny! Chretien LIE-berals ran on a promise to kill NAFTA and then chickened out after winning the election- the economic reality of dead NAFTA costs would be too high!)

But while America was focused on Japan and Mexico, China, quietly and efficiently “ate our lunch”.

China now has a massive trade surplus driven by manufacturing efficiency and currency manipulation.

(Yes- that paper money is wonderful stuff- you can make it worth whatever you want- especially in a CLOSED economic system like China where foreigners do NOT get to see the books! Its even easier to manipulate when local Chinese govt gets to decide what products MAY be offered for sale to the local people! This is in sharp contrast to the Cdn experience where our dollar went from that nasty $63 cents over to $1.05 U.S. and took a PILE of jobs away as Cdn goods began to cost to much!)

His country arguably now the factory for the world, Chinese leader Xi Jinping recently announced a “Made in China 2025” policy described as “involving local content requirements and the elimination of foreign suppliers.”

(So xenophobic Chinese are now implementing a “made in China” program that makes the Trump model look open and inclusive! And Our idiot Boy Justin thinks he can destroy NAFTA with his feminist/native rights blather and then make up the economic difference with Chinese business? HAHAHAHAHA!!!)

For the U.S., the past 20 years have seen the loss of two million manufacturing jobs.

(Automation is the real killer of most of these jobs. Robots are increasingly commonplace even in third world pest holes- its all about speed and efficiency and robots don’t get tired or sick or forget details. Reality is there are very few jobs to recover-especially in the automotive business which Trump is mainly focussed on. In addition -thanks to huge competition our vehicles are more reliable and longer lasting than ever before- meaning we buy new ones less often!)

Plus, growing frustration expressed by displaced workers that trade agreements reducing costs for manufacturing imports have cost them their jobs, for which “retraining”, or McJobs, are poor substitutes.

(LIE-berals keep assuring us our economy is “booming” but desperate LIE-berals do NOT want to tell us that the only good full time jobs out there are for govt employees- with the rest of us stuck in those McJobs and struggling financially! Cdn biz is cutting costs by killing good full time work and replacing it with part time and short term crap work. This trend will only increase as LIE-berals bomb business with their electricity price gouging and minimum wage garbage! The ugly truth is we Cdns cannot produce enough gravy to satisfy the civil service Hogs that LIE-berals rely on to keep them in power! It is LIE-beral gravy traded for Hog votes- and SCREW the general public!)

Hence, U.S. President Donald Trump’s urge to eliminate or reject trade agreements such as the Trans Pacific Partnership and call into question agreements such as NAFTA with Canada and Mexico

Trump’s claim, which resonates massively with voters, if not economists, is that the U.S. has been outsmarted and out-negotiated in these agreements.

(Western govts decided after WW2- that breaking down trade barriers would promote peace as countries that do lots of business are presumed to be unlikely to fight each other. This concept works with Europeans but it clearly does not work with third world nations in Middle East and in Asia! It is China that is happily stirring the pot in blood soaked Darfur/South Sudan as they pursue oil and natural gas contracts. It is Russians and Chinese who happily sell weapons to Iran, North Korea and Syria and it is bankrupt western govts that get to deal with the swarming millions of refugees- many of whom represent national security risks!)

China is a tougher problem, especially since Washington is desperately attempting to induce Beijing to castrate North Korea’s nuclear program.

Perhaps, while it is currently a rudimentary idea, a coordinated U.S./European Union, World Trade Organization action might secure better Chinese adherence to WTO rules.

(IN other words- when Trump called out NATO “slackers” especially including Canada- he was on the right track! A united front can achieve better results than a few isolated individuals! And a firm commitment to greater economic cooperation between like minded western countries can balance out influence from dictators and bullies! Too bad Our idiot boy Justin is so bigoted against Yankees he would rather see NAFTA die than agree with Yankees on ANYTHING! Our idiot Boy is deliberately hurting NAFTA by ignoring very real Yankee fears that Cdn national security is so sloppy that Yankees risk importing Muslim terrorists along with their Cdn dairy and softwood lumber!)

(LIE-beral policy is running in circles as usual- they shun trade with the Yankee democracy and seek out trade with Chinese dictators! But what can we expect form Our idiot Boy- who has his fathers vile values! After all it was Pierre Trudope who heaped fawning praise on Chinese Chairman Mao “for his genius in rushing 30 million Chinese to the gallows” just so he could cement his power over China!)

Jones is a retired U.S. State Department senior foreign service career officer. A version of this column first appeared in The Epoch Times
 

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Third Canadian detained in China amid rising tensions

A third Canadian was detained in China, Global Affairs Canada confirmed to Global News Wednesday morning.
The identity of the person wasn’t disclosed because of the privacy act, officials said.

READ MORE: GoFundMe campaign created for Michael Spavor, Canadian detained in China

News of the detainment comes more than week after two other Canadians were taken into custody on Dec. 10.
Michael Kovrig, a former diplomat, and Michael Spavor, a businessman who worked on the border of China and North Korea, have met with Canadian ambassador to China John McCallum.
WATCH: Canada granted access to second detainee in China
The Chinese government has said they are suspected of endangering China’s state security.
Chinese officials usually detain people for questioning before officially arresting or charging them. The process can take up to six months.
Consular assistance is being provided to all three, and their families, officials from Global Affairs say.
WATCH: Between 2 superpowers: What’s happened so far in the Canada-China-Huawei spat?
The arrests come after Chinese businesswoman Meng Wanzhou was arrested in Canada with the possibility of extradition to the U.S.
Canadian officials say there is no explicit link between Meng’s arrest and the Canadians’ detention. But former diplomats and policy experts have said the detentions are a form of "tit-for-tat" reprisal by China.
China has repeatedly called for Canada to correct its mistake and to release Meng or face unspecified consequences.
But Canada says Meng's arrest isn't political and that it must follow the rule of law.