Hawking's final science study released

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I think we can both safely assume that he would not have to be water-boarded before his signature magically appeared on any document 'they' wanted published. In the long list of Scientists in the history how many would have resisted water-boarding and published their findings over a life of luxury to publish the facts that were handed to them. A lot of data was still collected and with computers being powerful all that data could be used to spit out something that is scientifically correct.


For instance all the tide data from all the ports in the world are accurate and it goes back a thousand years or more. A couple of mouse clicks (or is that a tap these days) and an animation of a single port of whole coastline could be available. In the end it might show that the changes are due to the crust bulging up or sinking and then rising again in a somewhat rhythmic fashion that is caused by something that is a bit closer to home.


Let me add this to the part in my last post. I mentioned conditions that would create a condition for weather patterns that would form when a 3500Deg change in temp happens within a pretty short distance. The part about the earth being smooth and still have the canyons and mountains we have today even has the ocean floor being transferred to the surface as the water is not flat even when the effects of the tide and winds are taken away.


The time I was suggesting was 4B years ago and the eart6h had all the rocks but no water because it was still in a molten state with the outer layer being the density of granite at that temp. What if any lightening strikes had the same effect as one hitting water today, nothing except few ripples even if you are at the place it hit. Wind the clock bak to when the outer part was the iron core as that should have been the first material to clump together and if it comes in cold it rubs together and that creates a bit of heat and a static charge. The lightening is now created by clouds mage up of granite in a gaseous state and a lump of pure iron that gets hit so many times it is melted and the material that will make up the rest of the planet falls as cold snow and it covers the core in a way that all the scar marks remain like they are and that basic for the outside of the metal core has is carried all the way to the outer mart of the molten area and there are dips and humps that mimic the terrain far below. When the crust was formed those dips and bumps are the mountains and trenches we have today. The river valleys are part of that and the gravity changes determine where the water erosion takes place where they do for that reason.



That same process would be for every body in the solar system, the core is made up of the heaviest elements and the size of that determines how much of the lighter element can be gathered. The earth is heavy enough to attract nitrogen, the moon is at zero for any gas. Jupiter has hydrogen and perhaps helium as gasses in the outer layers. To not be in liquid form the inside must be hot and her metal core might be the size on the earth and moon defining the outside. The new photos of Pluto show all her gasses are in frozen puddles on the ground because the core is now cold as the space outside.


That would also work for Mars, would it not, as she also had a metal core or she would be as cold as the shadow side of the moon.
 

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I have 2 vids showing up, one is 5 minutes and the other is considerably longer. I'm going to watch the short one and make a post, if it is one a retard would post say. 'No' and I'll watch the longer one. If 'Al' could get light and gravity wrong no telling what Steve has missed that went over his head.

I swear the first time somebody straitened his head on his shoulders like it was something on a mantel that fell over on it's own would be out the door and never look back once, if that makes me a racist so be it.
 

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Without every planet having a similar one that we would be able to see I will leave this theory as a personal wish to find a place, close by, that has to be saner than this world and I can get there by leaving this world.


It was considered a twin by the Summerians and others only because of its close proximity and its orbital bond to Earth. My mother had a twin brother they were quite different but twins nontheless. They are both from the same body, Tiamat Just ideas from that book I mentioned. However those ideas have some quite solid physics behind them I suggest. Thier close proximity suggests/hints/asks could they or would they have been one body as suggested by this author, and you will note they are locked in the same orbit arround the sun which is an invisable but nevertheless physical connection. Planetary captures of moons is no easy bussiness it is said. I would like to entertain your thoughts about these numerous captures if you could at some point comment.
 

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Water erosion used to be available on Mars. That's what created the Valles Marineris, the Solar System's largest canyon.
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The Dendritic Ridges of Valles Marineris

Close-up images of Valles Marineris reveal the same dendritic ridge pattern we have observed on Olympus Mons.

NASA spokesmen call it “the most spectacular hole in the ground anywhere.” On Earth, it would stretch from San Francisco to New York. For years, many scientists called it a channel produced by torrential flooding. Then, when higher resolution images removed that possibility, geologists began calling it “the great Martian rift valley.” But if it is a rift, one looks in vain for signs of the stupendous geologic displacement required, not to mention the unresolved issue posed by a body smaller than the earth generating the imagined tectonic forces to create a “rift” hundreds of times larger than the Grand Canyon. Furthermore, a “rift” is typically deeper than it is wide, but Valles Marineris, though up to several miles deep, is vastly wider than deep at its midsection. It’s hard to imagine anyone looking at Valles Marineris and supposing that surface material a few miles deep miraculously spread apart to create a valley up to 370 miles wide!


The Dendritic Ridges of Valles Marineris



 

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Planetary captures of moons is no easy bussiness it is said. I would like to entertain your thoughts about these numerous captures if you could at some point comment.
One quick question, where was this post at 7AM? hint, hint, say no more, say no more, nudge, nudge, wink, wink.

There are a few times that suns will not consume each other but stay in a stable orbit for most of the time between the beginning and the end.

A 'Dos' program called 'gravity' is a solar system simulator that is correct as far as the math gors but shy on graphics. One option was 16 random planets that were all released when you hit start. Most of the time they all crashed but every now and then a mutual orbit was found and it ran like that the while time the program was set to run.

If the earth and moon are both as old as when just the metal cores were present there are a few ways they could have established a stable orbit and nine involve any collision of transfer except the smaller body loses it's metal core to the larger body and weighing less than it did but going the same speed and direction the math points to it being in the escape velocity rather than a collision it is a showed of cold metal falling as droplets of liquid as the heat from the earth melts it. The metal falling at the end is landing on a layer of snow that is the lighter metals still in solid form as it all came it so fast it could not all be melted before it hit the surface of the earth back then.
Getting together was a gradual process, the first one is the earth has an orbit around the sun and the earth is captured as it goes by on it's way to 'become one with the sun'.

I tend to go with they were both on a slow path to the sun and when their gravity locked them together their total mass was the way their orbit around the sun 'altered' as the wobble would have been introduced that far back. Their combined weight established the orbit around the sun as one ball of metal or 2 the orbit is the same. As the sun and moon when only metal was there and before they combined their weigh was not enough to change the path of anything headed towards the sun, once they were a single body the changed and the material that would become the mantle began to be gathered by gravity. If the earth and moon were in perfect balance before then something happened where the earth gained a lot more weight than the moon did in the same period of time and that started a process that drew the moon towards the earth while the earth kept to it's path around the sun except for what the total weight was and that might not have been enough to change much. The moon gaining more distance did and it should find a comfortable distance and stay there because if it is headed towards the sun so are we. If it went and we didn't we would become part of Jupiter as our weight reduction would mean we either put on the brakes (not likely) and slow down of do a slow join with Mars and hope we both don't become of the Asteroid Belt. . . .

Cake, there was a special on chocolate this week?

I wonder who answered the 'want ad' for a replacement for Steve when he died at the age of 27 or did they just make another one in the Tower of London some night when the drawbridge was making noises all night long.

A real scientist would have been as dangerous to the 'old guard' as any whistle blower today. Do you want a body count that is just as long as the one for politicians is. Keep him alive not as an inspiration to others but a warning of the best outcome to those who have rebel desires. 'Reeve Allusion' is not a name it is a movement found where 'smart people' are. 'Class' is not a social order, 'classy' is when you help somebody from a different social position than yourself, down rather than up makes the task more difficult rather than easier so most fail the test. Good thing they get another kick at the same can once the adults are on their appointed mission.
 
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http://youtu.be/5vOMGQTjW9k


I interrupt this intercourse with geological science. There is absolutly no use to discuss this planets history without an ear for catastrophys verifiable by and in rock solid specimins. Thunderbolts of the Gods. ZAP
 

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Water erosion used to be available on Mars. That's what created the Valles Marineris, the Solar System's largest canyon.
We cannot see the surface of any of the bigger planets. Your water theory has competition.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valles_Marineris

Formation



Valles Marineris topographic view constructed from MOLA altimetry data. Image shows Coprates Chasma, with Melas Chasma at the top, Candor Chasma at top right, and part of Capri Chasma at the bottom




Topographic map of Valles Marineris with its associated outflow channels and their surroundings, based on MOLA altimetry data


There have been many different theories about the formation of Valles Marineris that have changed over the years.[7] Ideas in the 1970s were erosion by water or thermokarst activity, which is the melting of permafrost in glacial climes. Thermokarst activity may contribute, but erosion by water is a problematic mechanism because liquid water cannot exist in most current Martian surface conditions, which typically experience about 1% of Earth's atmospheric pressure and a temperature range of 148 K (−125 °C; −193 °F) to 310 K (37 °C; 98 °F). Many scientists agree that there was liquid water flowing on the Martian surface in the past. Valles Marineris may have been enlarged by flowing water at this time. Another hypothesis by McCauley in 1972 was that the canyons formed by withdrawal of subsurface magma. Around 1989 Tanaka and Golombek proposed a theory of formation by tensional fracturing. The most agreed upon theory today is that Valles Marineris was formed by rift faults like the East African Rift, later made bigger by erosion and collapsing of the rift walls. It has also been proposed that Valles Marineris was formed by flowing lava.

The version I like is not there but it is in the animation below.

Begin, . . . cough. When finished begin the vid. Only in Canada you say, Pity, . . . cough.

Neal Explains how we know that Mars is growing


HD view of the whole valley.
 

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No, that's not how it works, most impacts regardless of their angle of incidence will produce circular craters, only the very shallowest of angles, on the order of a few degrees, will produce elongated craters. At the point of impact all the kinetic energy contained in the impactor is suddenly released, in effect it explodes and material gets thrown around about equally in all directions. That overwhelms any effects due to the angle of impact.


Nonsence, the circle is produced at one angle only. The angle of impact and it,s signiture is fixed and irrefutable. You are obviously a communist agitater.

 

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Even in the smallest 1 there has nothing in the bottom of the hole, not all vaporized like flight 93. At least in Russia physics still works like it used to here.
 

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One quick question, where was this post at 7AM? hint, hint, say no more, say no more, nudge, nudge, wink, wink.

There are a few times that suns will not consume each other but stay in a stable orbit for most of the time between the beginning and the end.

A 'Dos' program called 'gravity' is a solar system simulator that is correct as far as the math gors but shy on graphics. One option was 16 random planets that were all released when you hit start. Most of the time they all crashed but every now and then a mutual orbit was found and it ran like that the while time the program was set to run.

If the earth and moon are both as old as when just the metal cores were present there are a few ways they could have established a stable orbit and nine involve any collision of transfer except the smaller body loses it's metal core to the larger body and weighing less than it did but going the same speed and direction the math points to it being in the escape velocity rather than a collision it is a showed of cold metal falling as droplets of liquid as the heat from the earth melts it. The metal falling at the end is landing on a layer of snow that is the lighter metals still in solid form as it all came it so fast it could not all be melted before it hit the surface of the earth back then.
Getting together was a gradual process, the first one is the earth has an orbit around the sun and the earth is captured as it goes by on it's way to 'become one with the sun'.


Gravity has been mentioned several times in this thread it,s about time some explaination of gravity was offered. I have objects lying on the shop floor in the same relative positions for years and to date they have not attracked each to the other even one mm.
 
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Real science? I,m guessing you mean demonstratable repeatable results.





Why are impact craters always round? Most incoming objects must strike at some angle from vertical, so why don't the majority of impact sites have elongated, teardrop shapes?


Home picture of the day Journey to the Centre of the Earth

Further Aboriginal mythology in many other areas of Australia mention such phenomena as the ”Rainbow Serpent” in the creation of geological formations such as river etching, mountain building and gorge cutting. But could these very same processes create diamonds?
Plasmoid research in cold fusion suggests that this might be replicated. In laboratory experiments, with various electrodes immersed in differing solutions, we can witness “cold fusion”. This creates new elements around damaged parts of the electrode. The electrical current flow also forces mini plasmoids to emerge from these very electrodes. Some, quite curiously, look totally like comets with their tails and angled coloured sub-jet. Claims by Wal Thornhill that electrical phenomena are scalable gives us pause to think. The emerging plasmoids then leap and wander across sensitive gel plates. Work from Matsumoto and others show how they crater and form tracking lines. In fact they perform exactly as the legend told to me by Aboriginal elder Murray Butcher. He tells the story, of the Willi Wagtail bird, that leapt and darted along rivers boring water holes. He insists these are geological facts not fiction.
Large plasmoids from volcanoes and earthquakes (more electro-magnetic phenomena) have been shown to sculpt the Earth as they bore and tunnel at great velocities. They often convert to the tightly related tornado. Even tsunamis are produced when giant plasmoids explode. But the plasmoids ability to create new elements, whilst emitting light, is an area still at a pioneering stage of our understanding.
The study of the Carolina Bays system by Berkeley Nuclear Physicist Rick Firestone, stimulates further speculation on the production of Diamonds. The Carolina Bays and beyond is a vast system of shallow elliptical depressions whose origin is highly debat able. Some claim meteorite storms, however their shallowness and total lack of debris precludes this. Others speculate wind born dramas from past eras. However plasmoids could be involved in the Bays production.
Importantly, it should be noted, the Carolina Bays accompany and bank along Lichtenberg river systems (see film). Electric Universe theory suspects Lichtenberg river systems are ancient electromagnetic discharge lines along, and I suspect, beneath the Earth’s surface. Could these discharge lines produce multiple exploding plasmoids? This is speculation. However, similar scenarios exist along the Murray River system in Australia, the Beaufort Sea coast of Alaska and the Deccan Traps in Siberia.
Richard Firestone discovered, that without fail, these depressions contained large concentrations of Nano diamonds and other exclusive chemical signatures: iridium, helium 3, fullerenes (Bucky Balls), carbon glass, hollow spherules and magnetic particles. Could an electrical discharge and or emerging plasmoid instability possibly create these diamonds? Perhaps another interesting collusion, in this consideration of related phenomena, comes from the Calabrian earthquakes of the 16th century. The earthquake formed perfectly round shallow holes some 30 feet in diameter. These are graphically recorded in sketches from that time. These mimic, on a smaller scale, the Carolina Bays scenario, but with a definitive cause. This association with the now understood connection between earthquakes and electromagnetic phenomena is interesting. Are these but smaller replications of a previous much less destructive era? Louis Hissink is correct: “Some of the cherished theories we hold may be quite wrong.”
 

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Gravity has been mentioned several times in this thread it,s about time some explaination of gravity was offered. I have objects lying on the shop floor in the same relative positions for years and to date they have not attracked each to the other even one mm.
Too busy playing follow the leader. You are never in the same place for longer than a blink of an eye. Tour tools are wondering why t=you are staring at them, 'Are you trying to be a tool also?' is what they want me to ask you
 

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Yes, that's one characteristic of real science alright. And surely you know by now that I'm not going to take any citation from your favourite junk science sites seriously.


Yes I know that you are a neutered adict of the Uniformitarian science Church . I don,t wonder why you hangout at a site called
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What is your real scientific explanation of gravity? You,re always interesting to read anyway. Electricity has already in the last two decades revolutionized all science, most notably medicine, there is nothing at all that does not depend on electric fields for existance, motion and life itself. Have a very good day and thankyou for your percipitation.