An at-least partial solution to dealing with Canada's past.

[White_Unifier]

In 2012, the Government adopted the national Flag of Canada Act:
National Flag of Canada Act

Why not rename it the Flags of Reconciliation Act and add the following flags to the list of protected flags:

1. the flag Canada and of any other sovereign state.
2. the flag of the United Nations (which adopted the Universal Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples) or of any other intergovernmental organization of which Canada is a member state.
3. the flags of Canada's indigenous peoples, provinces, and territories.
3. any historical flag of Canada (such as a Red ensign under which Canadians fought ad died in past wars) or of any other foreign state (such as the flag of the Qing Dynasty that a former Governor-General of Canada later let attacks against in the Opium Wars and which reigned over the Chinese affected by the Chinese Exclusion Act.
4. Any linguistic flag (like the flags of the francophonie, the flag of the Hispanidad, and the Esperanto flag).

That way, if you feel offended by this or that statue or the name of this or that building, you'd be free to fly whatever of the above flags you want in your garden, on your patio, in your yard, or on your balcony, whether you bought or are renting, as an expression of your identity. Bingo! We could each fly the flag or our own residential kingdom, in the privacy of our home or on our own balcony,yard, or garden and everyone's happy.

 

[Decapoda]

That way, if you feel offended by this or that statue or the name of this or that building, you'd be free to fly whatever of the above flags you want in your garden, on your patio, in your yard, or on your balcony, whether you bought or are renting, as an expression of your identity.

You already are.

 

[White_Unifier]

You already are.

Unless the property manager says otherwise. So I'm just saying let's extend the same legal protection of the present National Flag of Canada act to other flags too. And there you go. You don't like the Statue of MacDonald standing in front of the building right in front of yours, just fly an Ojibwa flag or something on your balcony.

 

[Decapoda]

Unless the property manager says otherwise.

Bullshit. You obviously must not be familiar with the definition of the word "encouraged".

 

[White_Unifier]

Bullshit. You obviously must not be familiar with the definition of the word "encouraged".

Why so vulgar? And why not extend the same right for indigenous and other flags? After all, it just involves private persons anyway, not government institutions flying those flags.

 

[coldstream]

2 ways to foment a better Canadian Union.

Remove of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms from the jurisdiction of the Canadian Courts and the SCOC. Rewrite and fortify it by including a commensurate section of Responsibilities of Citizenship of equal weight. Add it as descriptive section to the Constitution and make its arbiter solely the Parliament of Canada and thereby the Canadian people.

The Charter as it now stands has become the most divisive and destructive instrument in Canadian history. It promotes identification with 'victims' groups above any commensurate patriotic responsibility to Canada an a integral, cohesive community. It has produced a Judicial Tyranny under the rule of the moral and intellectual mediocrities of the Supreme Court. None moreso than that pathetic little fart of a Chief Justice, Bev MacLaughlin, a frustrated 60s era feminist.

Dump Justin Trudeau.. and elect an economic nationalist, a strong federalist and supporter of a durable, unified moral Canadian identity consistent with the nation's origins. And stop pandering to insipid victims groups, including indigenous, women, homosexuals, ethnic and religious factions.. seeking special compensations and protections from their predatroy White, Male, Christian victimizers. A Canadian correspondent to Donald Trump would be fine.

Anything to the counter the culture of offense, victimhood and pessimism in which we are are mired.

 

[White_Unifier]

2 ways to foment a better Canadian Union.

Remove of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms from the jurisdiction of the Canadian Courts and the SCOC. Rewrite and fortify it by including a commensurate section of Responsibilities of Citizenship of equal weight. Add it as descriptive section to the Constitution and make its arbiter solely the Parliament of Canada and thereby the Canadian people. The Charter as it now stands has become the most divisive and destructive instrument in Canadian history. It has produced a Judicial Tyranny under the rule of the moral and intellectual mediocrities of the Supreme Court. None moreso than that pathetic little fart of a Chief Justice, Bev MacLaughlin, a frustrated 60s era feminist.

Dump Justin Trudeau.. and elect an economic nationalist, a strong federalist and supporter of a durable, unified moral Canadian identity consistent with the nation's origins. And stop pandering to insipid victims groups, including indigenous, women, homosexuals, ethnic and religious factions.. seeking special compensations and protections from their predatroy White, Male, Christian victimizers. A Canadian correspondent to Donald Trump would be fine.

Anything to the counter the culture of offense, victimhood and pessimism in which we are are mired.

We can make a distinction between the Christian faith and the people who profess that faith. To acknowledge the genocidal intent of the Indian residential School System in no way sullies the Christian faith itself since we understand that the system did not stand for what the gospel stood for.

While I agree that the CCRF is flawed in many ways, i do believe that we need some kind of counter to the tyranny of the majority. One solution is some kind of Constitutional declaration of rights. Another is more royal prerogatives to counter Parliament. Another is a combination of these.

So, how do you propose we protect against the tyranny of the majority or do you deny that that ever happens?

 

[Decapoda]

Why so vulgar?

Because you're being obtuse and misrepresenting facts. I rarely have time for this crap, but since we've engaged in the other thread (of which this one is based), I felt I should respond.

And why not extend the same right for indigenous and other flags? After all, it just involves private persons anyway, not government institutions flying those flags.

Show me where in the National Flag Act where it compels citizens to fly only the Canadian flag and denies them the freedom of expression to represent their culture.

 

[White_Unifier]

Because you're being obtuse and misrepresenting facts. I rarely have time for this crap, but since we've engaged in the other thread (of which this one is based), I felt I should respond.



Show me where in the National Flag Act where it compels citizens to fly only the Canadian flag and denies them the freedom of expression to represent their culture.

Because you're being obtuse and misrepresenting facts. I rarely have time for this crap, but since we've engaged in the other thread (of which this one is based), I felt I should respond.



Show me where in the National Flag Act where it compels citizens to fly only the Canadian flag and denies them the freedom of expression to represent their culture.

The purpose of the Act was to deter property management from denying flying the flag of Canada. What would be so bad about extending that deterrence to the Anishinabe flag too for example?

 

[coldstream]

We can make a distinction between the Christian faith and the people who profess that faith. To acknowledge the genocidal intent of the Indian residential School System in no way sullies the Christian faith itself since we understand that the system did not stand for what the gospel stood for.

While I agree that the CCRF is flawed in many ways, i do believe that we need some kind of counter to the tyranny of the majority. One solution is some kind of Constitutional declaration of rights. Another is more royal prerogatives to counter Parliament. Another is a combination of these.

So, how do you propose we protect against the tyranny of the majority or do you deny that that ever happens?

A juridically controlled CCRF is an anathema to the Parliamentary System which does not have the checks and balances implicit in the American Federal System to control it. Far from being a counterweight it has desposited unchecked power in the hands of unelected and unresponsible judicial bureacrats of litte intellectual substance or integrity. In fact the SCOC is filled with political hacks and petty ideolgues and Parliament is too gutless to represent the best interests of the Canadian People to overrule them. The CCRF has been a disaster.

The Residential School System is FAKE News. For the most part it was run by competent, caring teachers. It involved removing children from squalid, remote, trapping communities, inundated with alcoholism, child abuse, violence, poverty, disease and providing 6 months a year or so of literacy, health care, good nutrition, education, structure and IF They chose a faith that was not grounded in the brutal pessimism of animism and paganism. Sure there were abuses as there is in all institutions. But this only became an issue when a cynical culture of 'compensation' AND White, Christian, Male, Colonial guilt took over. This is ALL, and ONLY, about the money.

 

[White_Unifier]

A juridically controlled CCRF is an anathema to the Parliamentary System which does not have the checks and balances implicit in the American Federal System to control it. Far from being a counterweight is has desposited unchecked power in the hands of an unelected judicial bureacrats of litte intellectual substance or integrity. In fact the SCOC is filled with political hacks and petty ideolgues and Parliament is too gutless to represent the best interests of the Canadian People to overrule them. The CCRF has been an disaster.

The Residential School System is FAKE News. For the most part it was run by competent, caring teachers. It involved removing children from squalid, remote trapping communities, inundated with alcoholism, child abuse, violence, poverty, disease and providing 6 months a year or so of literacy, health care, good nutrition, education, structure and IF They chose a faith that was not grounded in the brutal pessimism of animism and paganism. Sure there were abuses as there is in all institutions. But this only became an issue when a cynical culture of 'compensation' AND White, Christian, Male, Colonial guilt took over. This is ALL, and ONLY, about the money.

http://www.myrobust.com/websites/trcinstitution/File/2039_T&R_eng_web[1].pdf

You might want to read the link above. The explicit purpose of the system was to kill the Indian in the child, and it did so quite brutally. Sure some had good experiences, but the majority didn't. Also, the reason some were taken away from dysfunctional families was because the system had already broken their parents in their parents' childhood.

You might want to read a little more about the system there.

And Coldstream: I don't mind getting a thumb down, but please provide an explanation if you can.

 

[Decapoda]

The purpose of the Act was to deter property management from denying flying the flag of Canada. What would be so bad about extending that deterrence to the Anishinabe flag too for example?

So...no cite suppoting your delusional claim? Figured.

You can use all the double negatives you want, it doesn't change the fact that you already have the freedom to express yourself and display whatever flag you feel like.

 

[White_Unifier]

'In order to educate the children properly we must separate them from their families. Some people may say that this is hard but if we want to civilize them we must do that.”
Hector Langevin,
Public Works Minister of Canada, 1883

"...fifty per cent of the children who passed through these schools did not live to benefit from the education which they had received therein.”
Deputy minister of Indian Affairs, Duncan Campbell Scott, 1913

"It is unlikely that any Tribe or tribes would give trouble of a serious nature to the Government whose members
had children completely under Government control.”
Indian Affairs school inspector J.A. Macrae, 1886

'Bryce recommended that he be given control over certain schools, and that there be a significant improvement in the care given to sick students. Duncan Campbell Scott, the Indian Affairs superintendent of education, said the plan was not realistic. Instead of implementing Bryce’s recommendations, Indian Affairs reached an agreement with the churches in 1910 to increase funding, set standards for diet and ventilation, and ensure that sick children were not admitted. In 1913 Scott, by then the deputy minister of Indian Affairs, acknowledged in a review of the department’s first forty-five years that “It is quite within the mark to say that fifty per cent of the children who passed through these schools did not live to benefit from the education which they had received therein.” Yet, shortly after assuming his duties as deputy
minister, Scott forced Bryce out of office, and, in 1918, to save money, he eliminated the position of medical inspector,
leaving the department completely unprepared for that year’s deadly influenza epidemic.'

So...no cite suppoting your delusional claim? Figured.

You can use all the double negatives you want, it doesn't change the fact that you already have the freedom to express yourself and display whatever flag you feel like.

So why was the Act passed again? It was because property managers were fining people for flying the flag of Canada. The Act didn't just appear out of think air.

 

[Decapoda]

So why was the Act passed again?

National Flag of Canada Act
S.C. 2012, c. 12

Assented to 2012-06-28

An Act respecting the National Flag of Canada

SUMMARY
The purpose of this enactment is to ensure that all Canadians are encouraged to display the National Flag of Canada.

It was because property managers were fining people for flying the flag of Canada. The Act didn't just appear out of think air.

I would love to see any landlord try anything like that right now in our current hyper-sensitive ethno/human/religious rights environment...they would be internet shamed into oblivion, and would have a human rights suit slapped against them so fast their head would spin. A landlord can't even enter an apartment with his shoes on these days without getting charged with a $12,000 fine for religious rights violations.

Ontario rights tribunal finds landlord violated tenants’ religious rights

It's ridiculous to even suggest that a complaint such as the one you put forth would be given any merit or consideration whatsoever, even in this colonial-despising, post-national state we supposedly live in.

 

[White_Unifier]

National Flag of Canada Act
S.C. 2012, c. 12

Assented to 2012-06-28

An Act respecting the National Flag of Canada

SUMMARY
The purpose of this enactment is to ensure that all Canadians are encouraged to display the National Flag of Canada.




I would love to see any landlord try anything like that right now in our current hyper-sensitive ethno/human/religious rights environment...they would be internet shamed into oblivion, and would have a human rights suit slapped against them so fast their head would spin. A landlord can't even enter an apartment with his shoes on these days without getting charged with a $12,000 fine for religious rights violations.

Ontario rights tribunal finds landlord violated tenants’ religious rights

It's ridiculous to even suggest that a complaint such as the one you put forth would be given any merit or consideration whatsoever, even in this colonial-despising, post-national state we supposedly live in.

Plus the Act now guarantees a resident's right to fly the flag.

It wasn't like that before:
https://nationalpost.com/news/canad...right-to-fly-canadian-flag-nears-royal-assent

A property manager could fine a person 250$ just for flying the flag. Not anymore.

 

[CaptainTrips]

The purpose of the Act was to deter property management from denying flying the flag of Canada. What would be so bad about extending that deterrence to the Anishinabe flag too for example?

So the right to display a swastika or the hammer and sickle would be protected as well?

 

[Mowich]

'In order to educate the children properly we must separate them from their families. Some people may say that this is hard but if we want to civilize them we must do that.”
Hector Langevin,
Public Works Minister of Canada, 1883

"...fifty per cent of the children who passed through these schools did not live to benefit from the education which they had received therein.”
Deputy minister of Indian Affairs, Duncan Campbell Scott, 1913

"It is unlikely that any Tribe or tribes would give trouble of a serious nature to the Government whose members
had children completely under Government control.”
Indian Affairs school inspector J.A. Macrae, 1886

'Bryce recommended that he be given control over certain schools, and that there be a significant improvement in the care given to sick students. Duncan Campbell Scott, the Indian Affairs superintendent of education, said the plan was not realistic. Instead of implementing Bryce’s recommendations, Indian Affairs reached an agreement with the churches in 1910 to increase funding, set standards for diet and ventilation, and ensure that sick children were not admitted. In 1913 Scott, by then the deputy minister of Indian Affairs, acknowledged in a review of the department’s first forty-five years that “It is quite within the mark to say that fifty per cent of the children who passed through these schools did not live to benefit from the education which they had received therein.” Yet, shortly after assuming his duties as deputy
minister, Scott forced Bryce out of office, and, in 1918, to save money, he eliminated the position of medical inspector,
leaving the department completely unprepared for that year’s deadly influenza epidemic.'

"Lawrence Wanakamik said that after he got over his initial fears, he did well academ*ically at the McIntosh, Ontario, school. “I used to be the, one of the top three students, you know, get 100s, get 95s, and no, no less than 90 in, in the marks, you know, 9 out of 10, or, you know, stuff like that.” He had fond memories of one of his teachers. “Her name’s Nancy, and she, she was nice, I liked her, everybody liked her, ’cause she was, she was friendly, and she was good to everybody. But the nun teachers, those were the ones that hit you with the ruler on your hands if you weren’t listening, or you weren’t behaving.”440


"Alice Quinney never forgot the positive impact that her Grade Four teacher at the Blue Quills school had on her life. It was, it was so nice to have a teacher that really believed in, you know, in you, that you could, you know, that told you you were smart, and that you were doing good, and, and not to hear anything negative from her, you know, like the nuns always hounding you about this, “Do this this way, do this that way,” you know. I, I was so thankful to have a, a teacher who really cared about me. And that teacher, she moved to California a few years later and we wrote to each other still when she was in Cali*fornia. Yeah, I didn’t stop writing to her until I left school, when I was in Grade Nine.
And I never forget her. Yeah, she was the first, first nice person in that school that made an impact in my life.441"


"Martha Loon said that at the Poplar Hill, Ontario, school in the 1980s, there were staff people who befriended and helped her and her siblings. We had staff members who took us under their wing. And one, over the years, started to recognize us as, like, younger siblings. So in a way, he was, like, protecting us, and other staff knew that, so other staff didn’t really say or do anything against us be*cause of that. So, sometimes I’ll tell people, you know, when, they’re talking about their experiences, I’ll tell them, you know, this is what, this is what I went through, this is what my siblings and I went through. And I think that’s what, how we didn’t have those same experiences as some other students that went through a negative, bad experiences.
There was one staff member to whom she could tell all her problems. “I could say anything to her, and we’d go for walks sometimes. So, I could tell her anything and she wouldn’t, she wouldn’t say anything to other staff members about it. So, in a way, that’s, you know, gave me a chance to express my frustrations, and the things that I didn’t like.”442"

 

[White_Unifier]

"Lawrence Wanakamik said that after he got over his initial fears, he did well academ*ically at the McIntosh, Ontario, school. “I used to be the, one of the top three students, you know, get 100s, get 95s, and no, no less than 90 in, in the marks, you know, 9 out of 10, or, you know, stuff like that.” He had fond memories of one of his teachers. “Her name’s Nancy, and she, she was nice, I liked her, everybody liked her, ’cause she was, she was friendly, and she was good to everybody. But the nun teachers, those were the ones that hit you with the ruler on your hands if you weren’t listening, or you weren’t behaving.”440


"Alice Quinney never forgot the positive impact that her Grade Four teacher at the Blue Quills school had on her life. It was, it was so nice to have a teacher that really believed in, you know, in you, that you could, you know, that told you you were smart, and that you were doing good, and, and not to hear anything negative from her, you know, like the nuns always hounding you about this, “Do this this way, do this that way,” you know. I, I was so thankful to have a, a teacher who really cared about me. And that teacher, she moved to California a few years later and we wrote to each other still when she was in Cali*fornia. Yeah, I didn’t stop writing to her until I left school, when I was in Grade Nine.
And I never forget her. Yeah, she was the first, first nice person in that school that made an impact in my life.441"


"Martha Loon said that at the Poplar Hill, Ontario, school in the 1980s, there were staff people who befriended and helped her and her siblings. We had staff members who took us under their wing. And one, over the years, started to recognize us as, like, younger siblings. So in a way, he was, like, protecting us, and other staff knew that, so other staff didn’t really say or do anything against us be*cause of that. So, sometimes I’ll tell people, you know, when, they’re talking about their experiences, I’ll tell them, you know, this is what, this is what I went through, this is what my siblings and I went through. And I think that’s what, how we didn’t have those same experiences as some other students that went through a negative, bad experiences.
There was one staff member to whom she could tell all her problems. “I could say anything to her, and we’d go for walks sometimes. So, I could tell her anything and she wouldn’t, she wouldn’t say anything to other staff members about it. So, in a way, that’s, you know, gave me a chance to express my frustrations, and the things that I didn’t like.”442"

I've read the entire book a while ago. I've already mentioned in one of these forums that some had positive experiences. I was just addressing Coldstream's apparent belief that that was just the norm through and through.

So the right to display a swastika or the hammer and sickle would be protected as well?

We might want to make some exceptions for political flags. The Swastika was clearly not just a 'flag of Germany' but very much one of the Nazi regime.

As for the hammer and sickle, if it's part of an official state flag today (though none presently comes to mind), we might make an exception for that one if one can reasonably claim that it's also a flag of his country. For example, the flag of China is clearly a communist flag even though it bears no hammer and sickle. Yet we can't deny that many Chinese have also embraced it as their national flag beyond its communist links. So I would say we should allow a person to fly the Chinese flag for example.

And as for the Swastika, I don't know. Maybe some Eastern country's flag that I don't know about bears a Swastika as a Buddhist symbol for example. I'd say why not.

 

[Twin_Moose]

"Lawrence Wanakamik said that after he got over his initial fears, he did well academ*ically at the McIntosh, Ontario, school. “I used to be the, one of the top three students, you know, get 100s, get 95s, and no, no less than 90 in, in the marks, you know, 9 out of 10, or, you know, stuff like that.” He had fond memories of one of his teachers. “Her name’s Nancy, and she, she was nice, I liked her, everybody liked her, ’cause she was, she was friendly, and she was good to everybody. But the nun teachers, those were the ones that hit you with the ruler on your hands if you weren’t listening, or you weren’t behaving.”440


"Alice Quinney never forgot the positive impact that her Grade Four teacher at the Blue Quills school had on her life. It was, it was so nice to have a teacher that really believed in, you know, in you, that you could, you know, that told you you were smart, and that you were doing good, and, and not to hear anything negative from her, you know, like the nuns always hounding you about this, “Do this this way, do this that way,” you know. I, I was so thankful to have a, a teacher who really cared about me. And that teacher, she moved to California a few years later and we wrote to each other still when she was in Cali*fornia. Yeah, I didn’t stop writing to her until I left school, when I was in Grade Nine.
And I never forget her. Yeah, she was the first, first nice person in that school that made an impact in my life.441"


"Martha Loon said that at the Poplar Hill, Ontario, school in the 1980s, there were staff people who befriended and helped her and her siblings. We had staff members who took us under their wing. And one, over the years, started to recognize us as, like, younger siblings. So in a way, he was, like, protecting us, and other staff knew that, so other staff didn’t really say or do anything against us be*cause of that. So, sometimes I’ll tell people, you know, when, they’re talking about their experiences, I’ll tell them, you know, this is what, this is what I went through, this is what my siblings and I went through. And I think that’s what, how we didn’t have those same experiences as some other students that went through a negative, bad experiences.
There was one staff member to whom she could tell all her problems. “I could say anything to her, and we’d go for walks sometimes. So, I could tell her anything and she wouldn’t, she wouldn’t say anything to other staff members about it. So, in a way, that’s, you know, gave me a chance to express my frustrations, and the things that I didn’t like.”442"

Ironically the same complaints about dried up Nuns that all cultures had.


The British empire used the same meat grinder tactic the world over, including changing the culture of Eastern European immigrants that arrived to all British colonies, don't forget the French colonists supported this as well.

 

[coldstream]

http://www.myrobust.com/websites/trcinstitution/File/2039_T&R_eng_web[1].pdf

You might want to read the link above. The explicit purpose of the system was to kill the Indian in the child, and it did so quite brutally. Sure some had good experiences, but the majority didn't. Also, the reason some were taken away from dysfunctional families was because the system had already broken their parents in their parents' childhood.

You might want to read a little more about the system there.

And Coldstream: I don't mind getting a thumb down, but please provide an explanation if you can.

I never use the thumbs down and didn't here.. sparingly i use a thumbs up. I don't think i've found any of your posts worthy of the latter.

And i suggest that you not accept verbatim diatribes by the liberal media.. which is in the pall of its own sanctimonious secular Church and its gospel of moral relativism, radical individualism and atheistic humanism.. rigidly enforced. Amongst the targets of their charges of heresy and apostacy of this State Church are all traditional morality and orthodox Christian religions. That lies at root of the Residential School allegations.