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Bar Sinister

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Here's an idea: lets stop buying military hardware from American companies.




I've got a better idea. Let's stop getting involved in wars started by the US that requires that Canada acquire military hardware.

You silly fool. Canada is a major arms exporter.




Maybe, but right now we are not even in the top ten.



Weapons sales are on the rise — here are the top 10 countries exporting arms around the world



Here are the top 10 countries exporting weapons around the world - Business Insider
 

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Where would be on the list if Liberals made it known? Why is Canada picking on Russia?

http://www.forces.gc.ca/en/operations-abroad/op-unifier.page

Cdn arms sales to Ukraine a mystery as federal government keeps mum on exports

Lee Berthiaume, The Canadian Press
Published Thursday, May 17, 2018 12:06PM EDT

OTTAWA -- Six months after the federal government opened the door to the export of Canadian-made weapons to Ukraine, which is locked in a war with separatist rebels, it remains a mystery as to whether any have actually arrived.

Foreign Affairs Minister Chrystia Freeland announced in December that the government was adding Ukraine to the Automatic Firearms Country Control List, which is a list of countries eligible for arms exports.

As a result, Canadian companies and individuals can now apply to Freeland for permission to export prohibited weapons and other previously banned equipment to Ukraine.

But Global Affairs Canada has refused to say whether any requests for a permit to export arms to Ukraine have been received, let alone approved.

"Each permit application will be assessed on a case-by-case basis to ensure its consistency with Canada's international obligations and foreign policy and defence priorities," Global Affairs Canada spokesman John Babcock said in an email.

"For reasons of commercial confidentiality, the department does not comment on any applications for export permits."

Freeland's decision to add Ukraine to the firearms control list was greeted with applause from Kyiv, which has long lobbied for more military assistance from Canada and the West as government troops fight Russian-backed separatists.

But it stoked anger from Russia as well as concern from arms-control and human-rights groups, who say rights violations have been perpetrated by both sides in the conflict in eastern Ukraine.

More than 10,000 people, many of them civilians, have been killed in the fighting in the region known as the Donbass, while another 20,000 have been wounded and hundreds of thousands have been forced from their homes.

Opponents of Canadian arms exports have worried about these weapons adding to the carnage.

"Canada's support for Ukraine's sovereignty, security, and prosperity has nothing to do with the risk that Canadian-made automatic firearms exported there might be misused," said Cesar Jaramillo, executive director of Project Ploughshares.

At the same time, Jaramillo was both puzzled and concerned by the government's refusal to say whether any permits had been received or approved, given that the Liberals have committed to annual reports on arms exports.

"The AFCCL, which was conceived as a way to restrict the flow of certain prohibited arms and components to a select few trusted recipients, has become less and less restrictive," Jaramillo added.

"An overly broad interpretation of commercial confidentiality can undermine the government's stated commitment to transparency around the arms trade."

Ukraine is the 40th country on the list, which is dominated by NATO allies but also includes Australia, Botswana, Chile, Colombia, Finland, Israel, Kuwait, New Zealand, Peru, South Korea, Sweden and Saudi Arabia.

An internal report obtained through access to information shows that the government approved the export of more than $717 million worth of military equipment in 2016, though that figure does not include exports to the U.S.

Yet the federal government has found itself under fire in recent years for approving the sale of arms to several countries with questionable human rights records.

Those sales include a multi-year, $15-billion contract for the provision of armoured vehicles to Saudi Arabia. The internal report said that country was the top non-U.S. destination for Canadian arms in 2016, with exports worth $142 million.

The government also faced pointed questions earlier this year about its plan to sell military helicopters to the Philippines despite Prime Minister Justin Trudeau criticizing its human-rights record only a few months earlier.

The deal was eventually scrapped by Philippines President Rodrigo Duterte after a public outcry prompted the Trudeau government to reconsider the sale.
 

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I've got a better idea. Let's stop getting involved in wars started by the US that requires that Canada acquire military hardware.






Maybe, but right now we are not even in the top ten.



Weapons sales are on the rise — here are the top 10 countries exporting arms around the world



Here are the top 10 countries exporting weapons around the world - Business Insider

So pull out of NATO and the UN, NATO an organization that we helped form so that nations can pull resources and help each other. /sarcasm on) OK sounds like a plan (/sarcasm off
 

Bar Sinister

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So pull out of NATO and the UN, NATO an organization that we helped form so that nations can pull resources and help each other. /sarcasm on) OK sounds like a plan (/sarcasm off


No, it is Trump that wants out of NATO, not Canada. I'd let the Yanks wing it. Most of their foreign entanglements they have started themselves.
 

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Everything he's been saying is he doesn't want the States paying the lion's share of NATO let all nations step up and help finance it like it is suppose to
 

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How about this?

How about **** Trump?

How about the nation that extracts the most wealth from the world pays for the priviledge?
 

Bar Sinister

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Everything he's been saying is he doesn't want the States paying the lion's share of NATO let all nations step up and help finance it like it is suppose to




NATO greatly extends the influence of the US. If you don't believe this just ask the Russians. They are facing more than a score of nations some of which are right on their borders and armed with some of the most technically advanced military equipment in the world. NATO is one of the reasons why the US no longer has to retain a large foreign presence in Europe.