Remoaner Jean-Luc Picard demands "people's vote" on Brexit

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Remoaner Sir Patrick Stewart is amongst a number of luvvies and MPs calling for a "people's vote" on Brexit.

The group wants a referendum on the final Brexit deal in the hope that, if voters reject the deal, Britain would then stay in the EU.

Stewart and chums need to be reminded that there has already been a people's vote on Brexit - on 23rd June 2016 - and they should cease trying to overturn a democratic decision just because they don't like it.

Brexit: 'People's vote' campaign group launched

BBC News
15 April

Sir Patrick Stewart on the Remain campaign trail in Oxford during the EU referendum

A new campaign has been launched for a "people's vote" on the final Brexit deal between the UK and the EU.

Pro-EU MPs, celebrities and business leaders are attempting to persuade people to back another referendum before the UK leaves.

Actor Sir Patrick Stewart, who is backing the campaign, said that if voters rejected the deal, the UK would "simply stay" in the EU.

Both the Conservatives and Labour have ruled out a second referendum.

Britain voted to leave the EU by 51.9% to 48.1% in June 2016.

The UK is due to leave the EU in March 2019, and the two sides hope to reach a deal by October in time for it to be ratified by UK and European parliaments.

Sir Patrick told the BBC's The Andrew Marr Show that the "terms and conditions" of Brexit were "quite unlike" how they were presented during the 2016 referendum campaign.

He also said he was motivated by "history and emotion" to want to stay in the EU.

The People's Vote campaign is an attempt to unite anti-Brexit groups behind the common goal of a vote on the final deal.

It argues that the public, not MPs, should get the final say, and is hoping a "grass roots" campaign will persuade MPs to support a change of law to implement another EU referendum.

The campaign is launching with a rally in Camden, North London, later.

Brexit: 'People's vote' campaign group launched - BBC News

 

[Curious Cdn]

Make it so.

 

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Make it so.

He doesn't want to boldly go where no Briton has gone since 1972 - the big wide world. He's a backward, inward-looking Little Europeaner.

If he loves the EU so much he can bog off to France, where his Star Trek character was born on 13th July 2305 (at a time when the French language has become almost extinct).

 

[DaSleeper]

If not happy with the results, take a page out of the Quebec referendum and call another vote...

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If not happy with the results, take a page out of the Quebec referendum and call another vote...

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I'd laugh my tits off at another referendum. The only thing that will happen is that the people will vote for Brexit again - but by an even bigger margin. And then what would the undemocratic Remoaners do then - call for a third one? It'd be hilarious.

 

[White_Unifier]

Remoaner Sir Patrick Stewart is amongst a number of luvvies and MPs calling for a "people's vote" on Brexit.

The group wants a referendum on the final Brexit deal in the hope that, if voters reject the deal, Britain would then stay in the EU.

Stewart and chums need to be reminded that there has already been a people's vote on Brexit - on 23rd June 2016 - and they should cease trying to overturn a democratic decision just because they don't like it.

Brexit: 'People's vote' campaign group launched

BBC News
15 April

Sir Patrick Stewart on the Remain campaign trail in Oxford during the EU referendum

A new campaign has been launched for a "people's vote" on the final Brexit deal between the UK and the EU.

Pro-EU MPs, celebrities and business leaders are attempting to persuade people to back another referendum before the UK leaves.

Actor Sir Patrick Stewart, who is backing the campaign, said that if voters rejected the deal, the UK would "simply stay" in the EU.

Both the Conservatives and Labour have ruled out a second referendum.

Britain voted to leave the EU by 51.9% to 48.1% in June 2016.

The UK is due to leave the EU in March 2019, and the two sides hope to reach a deal by October in time for it to be ratified by UK and European parliaments.

Sir Patrick told the BBC's The Andrew Marr Show that the "terms and conditions" of Brexit were "quite unlike" how they were presented during the 2016 referendum campaign.

He also said he was motivated by "history and emotion" to want to stay in the EU.

The People's Vote campaign is an attempt to unite anti-Brexit groups behind the common goal of a vote on the final deal.

It argues that the public, not MPs, should get the final say, and is hoping a "grass roots" campaign will persuade MPs to support a change of law to implement another EU referendum.

The campaign is launching with a rally in Camden, North London, later.

Brexit: 'People's vote' campaign group launched - BBC News

Doesn't the UK hold a national election every four years? Why could a party not just run on remaining in the EU and then let the voters decide?

Or did I miss the news that the UK has suspended its elections already?

I'd laugh my tits off at another referendum. The only thing that will happen is that the people will vote for Brexit again - but by an even bigger margin. And then what would the undemocratic Remoaners do then - call for a third one? It'd be hilarious.

Technically, they're not asking for a referendum on the same thing. The first referendum was on splitting with no idea of what the final deal might look like. This would ask to approve of the final deal in all of its details with eyes wide open.For example, if the new deal means high tariffs on UK exports to the EU, I'd imagine that many Brexiters who had expected full access after Brexit would reconsider. You do support an informed vote, don't you?

 

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Doesn't the UK hold a national election every four years? Why could a party not just run on remaining in the EU and then let the voters decide?

1) The voters have decided twice - in the 2016 referendum and the 2017 General Election.

2) How would letting the people decide every few years whether or not they want to stay in the EU be in any way practical?

.For example, if the new deal means high tariffs on UK exports to the EU, I'd imagine that many Brexiters who had expected full access after Brexit would reconsider. You do support an informed vote, don't you?

MYTH: BRITAIN WILL BE EXCLUDED FROM TRADE WITH THE EU BY TARIFF BARRIERS

-The EU has free trade agreements with over 50 countries to overcome such tariffs, and is currently negotiating a number of other agreements.

-EU now exempts services and many goods from duties anyway. In 2009 UK charged customs duty of just 1.76% on non-EU imports. This is so low that the EU Common Market is basically redundant as a customs union with tariff walls.

10 Myths – Better Off Out

Sir Patrick Stewart on this morning's The Andrew Marr Show on BBC One: Basically saying "I don't like the result of the EU referendum so me and my friends have come up with this plan to try and thwart it".

He also peddles the Remain lie that Leave promised, on a bus, £350 million for the NHS...

Anti-Brexit campaign is led by 'luvvie actors and wealthy elite - NOT the British people'

THE LAUNCH of a new anti-Brexit political movement today - the People's Vote - has already been heavily criticised for being run by celebrity actors and wealthy London backers.

By OLI SMITH
Apr 15, 2018
Sunday Express

The People's Vote campaign was launched today in North London in an attempt to unite a range of separate anti-Brexit activists.

According to Sir Patrick Stewart, who is leading the effort, the campaign's goal is to secure a referendum on the final Brexit deal.

Comedian Andy Parsons, economist Mariana Mazzucato and Innocent Drinks founder Richard Reed all joined Sir Patrick for the rally this afternoon.

However, its purpose has already been cast into doubt as sceptics point out that "nothing has changed" in public opinion polling since the referendum.

Fraser Nelson, from The Spectator, told Andrew Marr during the press review this morning that the People's Vote was a desperate attempt by wealthy, London-based celebrities.

Skeptics point out that "nothing has changed" in the public opinion polling since the referendum

Nelson mocked the name of the campaign: "Politicians like Chukka Umunna and Soubry for calling for a people's vote.

"So I'm not sure what they call the first one, if this second one is a people's vote.

"Other than a couple of MPs agreeing with each other you don't see a wider public opinion shift.

"Even most of those who voted against Brexit say they respect the referendum.

"You see politicians, you see actors, you see very rich backers, but you do not see a groundswell of public opinion

"The country is roughly split evenly as it was at the time.

"Given that public opinion hasn’t changed, I don’t know why a second referendum, if the first question gave the wrong answer, would work any differently."

Marr remarked: "You see a lot of money has gone in, a lot of launches, new political parties, but not a lot has happened."

Boris Johnson ridiculed the campaign, pointing out that the people's vote has already taken place

The People's Vote campaign was launched today in North London

Actor Sir Patrick Stewart told Marr said that if people voted to reject the exit deal, the UK would "simply stay" in the EU.

The UK will formally cease to be an EU member in March 2019, with a deal expected by October this year.

Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson ridiculed the campaign, pointing out that the people's vote has already taken place.

He said: "They voted with a substantial majority to leave the EU. We're now trying to deliver on that mandate from the people."

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/9...e-s-Vote-anti-Brexit-Remainer-Patrick-Stewart

 

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Yes, there was a national election after the referendum. Any MP was free run on remaining in the EU and the people could have stopped Brexit cold by just voting for such MPs. the people decided twice, once in the referendum (which, fair enough, was non-binding) and once in the national election (the MPs of which have the power to legislate).

It would only seem fair to the Brexit crowd that the Remainers wait until the next national election to rejoin the EU if that's what they want to do.

I assume that national elections will continue every four years after Brexit. correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[Hoid]

He is breaking the Prime Directive.

 

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the referendum (which, fair enough, was non-binding)

 

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They can implement it and separate from the EU. But the referendum was about leaving the EU, not remaining out of it forever. This means that they can fulfill the promise by leaving and then rejoin later should the British people decide that. I'm sure they'll be begging for it soon enough unless the UK goes the way of Hong Kong.

 

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But the referendum was about leaving the EU, not remaining out of it forever.

Says who?

This means that they can fulfill the promise by leaving and then rejoin later should the British people decide that.

There isn't going to be an EU for Britain to rejoin in the extremely unlikely event that the British people would wish to rejoin it.

I'm sure they'll be begging for it soon enough unless the UK goes the way of Hong Kong.

How do 167 of the world's 195 nation states manage outside the EU? How is it that 86% of the world's countries are getting by without being in this wonderful, beneficial organisation?

 

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Says who?



There isn't going to be an EU for Britain to rejoin in the extremely unlikely event that the British people would wish to rejoin it.



How do 167 of the world's 195 nation states manage outside the EU? How is it that 86% of the world's countries are getting by without being in this wonderful, beneficial organisation?

Those 167 nations are not geographically and economically tied to the EU.

You present shallow and frankly stupid arguments.

It obviously makes more sense for Britain to be in a European Union (given that they are in Europe) than it does for New Zealand.

 

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Those 167 nations are not geographically and economically tied to the EU.

Neither is Britain. The EU needs Britain far more than Britain needs the EU.

It obviously makes more sense for Britain to be in a European Union (given that they are in Europe) than it does for New Zealand.

It makes no sense whatsoever for Britain to be ruled by unelected foreigners.

 

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The EU needing britain is actually an argument for remaining.

Well done.

I wonder if there are 167 nations that should belong to NAFTA?

 

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The EU needing britain is actually an argument for remaining.

There are almost no coherent arguments for Britain to remain in an undemocratic, sclerotic and corrupt political union which wants to destroy all its member states' sovereignties and turn itself into a state.

 

[Hoid]

There are almost no coherent arguments for Britain to remain in an undemocratic, sclerotic and corrupt political union which wants to destroy all its member states' sovereignties and turn itself into a state.

Regardless of how you choose to characterize it it makes all sorts of sense for Britain to be in a economic union with the continent it belongs to.


Just as it makes sense for Canada to be in an economic union with other North American countries.

 

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Regardless of how you choose to characterize it it makes all sorts of sense for Britain to be in a economic union with the continent it belongs to.

The EU is a political union, one which seeks to completely destroy the sovereignties of its member states and make them be mere provinces of an EU nation state - and one which detests democracy, is corrupt and rotten to the core and hinders economic growth and innovation through bureaucracy and red tape. It is not something that Great Britain should be part of.

Just as it makes sense for Canada to be in an economic union with other North American countries.

I do wish people would stop comparing free trade organisations like NAFTA for an actual political union like the EU which has designs on becoming a nation state. I've had to point it out so many times yet people still keep doing it. NAFTA is nothing like the EU whatsoever.

 

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You have to point it out?

You live to point it out you wanker.

 

[White_Unifier]

Says who?



There isn't going to be an EU for Britain to rejoin in the extremely unlikely event that the British people would wish to rejoin it.



How do 167 of the world's 195 nation states manage outside the EU? How is it that 86% of the world's countries are getting by without being in this wonderful, beneficial organisation?

Because they have strong trade relations with neighbouring countries. It's geography, my dear Watson.

Those 167 nations are not geographically and economically tied to the EU.

You present shallow and frankly stupid arguments.

It obviously makes more sense for Britain to be in a European Union (given that they are in Europe) than it does for New Zealand.

And New Zealand has strong trade relations with Australia and Indonesia. I wonder why?

There are almost no coherent arguments for Britain to remain in an undemocratic, sclerotic and corrupt political union which wants to destroy all its member states' sovereignties and turn itself into a state.

No organization is perfect. If the UK expects only perfect agreements, then it will find itself as isolated as North Korea. If you want absolute sovereignty (as opposed to moderate sovereignty since any trade agreement by definition weakens sovereignty as a part of a trade off), then look to North Korea as your inspiration.