Florida Senate passes 'Sunshine Protection Act' for year-round daylight saving time

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It's 2018, not 1018

Last I checked, the sun couldn't care less what the clock says. We could decide to switch PM and AM and the sun would then rise at 6 pm and set at 6 am. The cows in Saskatchewan don't seem to care either.
 

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Last I checked, the sun couldn't care less what the clock says. We could decide to switch PM and AM and the sun would then rise at 6 pm and set at 6 am. The cows in Saskatchewan don't seem to care either.

And your point would be?

You must be aware that virtually every municipality is unionized and that every contract stipulates work times. Are you really suggesting it is easier to redo all the contracts then to just keep DST?

Municipalities are just one example.
 

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And your point would be?

You must be aware that virtually every municipality is unionized and that every contract stipulates work times. Are you really suggesting it is easier to redo all the contracts then to just keep DST?

Municipalities are just one example.

To just renegotiate times on a contract should be quite easy.

Besides, whether we stay on year-round standard or savings time, the same problem could occur.

In fact, even if the clocks didn't change, those who like changing their working hours in spring and call could just as easily negotiate that into their work contracts if they want to do that. I guess in principle, even on the present system could allow a person to negotiate a contract that allowed him to work different nominal times in summer and winter so that his schedule does not change in real time; but it would seem that the default should preferably be that a person must negotiate the real change in his contract and not to have to negotiate a nominal change to prevent real change.
 

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But even if they decide not to renegotiate, so be it. The time on the contract always refers to legal time. In real time, that would just mean that they wouldn't need to change times between seasons. Or am I missing something here? While a contract could specify local solar time, I'd imagine that unless the contract explicitly specifies local solar time, then it's referring to legal time by default; and provincial law, not the contract, determine what legal time is and the province does reserve the right to change legal time as distinct from solar time.
 

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But even if they decide not to renegotiate, so be it. The time on the contract always refers to legal time. In real time, that would just mean that they wouldn't need to change times between seasons. Or am I missing something here? While a contract could specify local solar time, I'd imagine that unless the contract explicitly specifies local solar time, then it's referring to legal time by default; and provincial law, not the contract, determine what legal time is and the province does reserve the right to change legal time as distinct from solar time.
This is why they have utc
 

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Clearly you have no real world experience. Believe me, the simplest solution is to just stay on DST. Organizations can set whatever hours they choose, like they are already doing

Again, what's the difference between DST and standard time? I prefer standard time; but I'd still prefer year-round DST to half-yearly time-changes. If the province offered a choice between what we have now and year-round DST, I'd choose year-round DST. Shifting times every six months is the worst of the 3 main options that I can see. As for the other two, it's really more a matter of personal preference.
 

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But even if they decide not to renegotiate, so be it. The time on the contract always refers to legal time.

Yes, and that legal time changes twice a year, which is stupid. Stay on daylight savings time. Much simpler

Again, what's the difference between DST and standard time? I prefer standard time;

Good for you. Most people don't. Most want the extra daylight at the end of the day and not the start. Remaining on DST solves that without the goofy time changes
 

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Sen. Marco Rubio tables 'Sunshine Protection Act' to make daylight saving time permanent across the U.S.
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U.S. Sen. Marco Rubio waits for the beginning of a news conference in front of the U.S. Capitol March 13, 2018 in Washington, DC.Alex Wong / Getty Images
TALLAHASSEE, Fla. — U.S. Sen. Marco Rubio announced Wednesday that he’s filed legislation to allow not just Florida but the entire nation to save daylight all year round.
The Florida Republican says he’s sponsoring the “Sunshine Protection Act” as well as the “Sunshine State Act” because they’ll help the nation’s economy.
Rubio took this initiative a week after Florida’s Legislature voted to make their state the nation’s first to adopt year-round daylight saving time statewide — a change that can’t take effect unless Congress changes federal law.
Today, taking the lead from #Florida legislature & @RepJNunez I will be filing legislation to make daylight saving… twitter.com/i/web/status/9…

Marco Rubio (@marcorubio) March 14, 2018
The first bill would make daylight saving time permanent across the country. Currently, it runs from March to November, forcing most Americans to set their clocks ahead one hour in the spring and then turn them back an hour in the fall.
The second bill would let Florida remain in daylight saving time on its own, even if the rest of the nation returns to standard time.
“Reflecting the will of the Sunshine State, I proudly introduce these bills that would approve Florida’s will and, if made nationally, would also ensure Florida is not out of sync with the rest of the nation,” Rubio said in a statement.
In this July 14, 2016, file photo, a fisherman prepares to cast a line as the sun rises behind him as he fishes off a jetty into the Atlantic Ocean, in Bal Harbour, Fla. (AP Photo/Wilfredo Lee, File)
Rubio said keeping clocks the same year round would eliminate an economic decline that sets in every November, and predicted that later sunsets could lead to fewer robberies and car crashes.
The Florida PTA has asked Gov. Rick Scott to veto the legislature’s bill, saying the change would force thousands more children to travel to school in the dark for a longer period each year.
Florida Governor Rick Scott talks to the media at the end of the legislative session at the Florida State Capitol in Tallahassee, Fla., Sunday March 11, 2018.(AP Photo/Mark Wallheiser)
Nationwide daylight saving time began 100 years ago during World War I. During the long days of summer, the sun rose in some Northern regions between 4 and 5 a.m., when most non-farmers were asleep. Sunset happened before 8 p.m. and people turned on lights. By moving the clocks ahead an hour, backers believed the country could divert a bit of coal-fired electricity to the military instead of using it for an hour of home power. It was again adopted in World War II.
After each war, Congress rescinded the national laws but many people liked the extra hour of sunshine at the end of summer days, so some states and even cities observed daylight time while others kept standard time year-round. That meant driving relatively short distances could result in a time change or three.
Florida Senate passes ‘Sunshine Protection Act’ for year-round daylight saving time
By 1966, airlines and other clock-watching businesses tired of such quirks and pushed Congress to pass the Uniform Time Act. It codified daylight saving time, although it has been periodically modified, particularly the start and end dates. The only states not observing daylight time are Hawaii and Arizona, except for the latter’s Navajo reservations, which do.
Sen. Rubio tables bill to make daylight saving year-round in U.S. | Toronto Sun