Britain, Catalonia etc: People crave national identity
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England should secede from the UK. The United Kingdom of Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland will then be left on its own device to sort out where to put its capital (maybe Rhyl, so it's sort of geographically centreish), organise its armed forces, sort out what currency it would have (it won't be the pound) and how to raise money without English charity. Meanwhile, England would just toddle off and prosper, free from the EU and Britain.
I would be hesitant to enter any sort of long term economic deal with the UK. They don't seem to have the political stability to make those sorts of deals.
Just trying to negotiate a Brexit is laughable. How to you make a new deal with someone who just unilaterally cancelled the last deal.
It's like trying to negotiate with Trump.
Just trying to negotiate a Brexit is laughable. How to you make a new deal with someone who just unilaterally cancelled the last deal.
It's like trying to negotiate with Trump.
Notice the relic of the Monarchy in both copuntries are the ones who kill a legal referendum as it doesn't fit in with their plans. Perhaps part of the referendum should have included abolishing said Royals from said countries and the money and goodies stay with the nation.
Where does it end. Wessex, East Anglia, Mercia, Essex, Sussex, Northumbria were all kingdoms before English confederation. Each have peculiar language dialects, cultures, many unique mix of faiths. These are the residue of tribes and feudal patronage. They are not nation states.
Nation States evolve and achieve a critical level of intensity, integrity and complexity of common interests which supercedes its constituent parts. They define themselves through constitutions; words and ideals; responsibilities not inheritance. They tend to be inclusive; maintain stable borders; constructive and fair trade practices; open expression. Tribes reject all of that, defining membership by cultural and ethnic origins, and are strictly exclusive.
There is a very nasty side to separatist movements like those of Catalonia or Scotland (with which it closely resembles). It is often led by an jaded provincial political class (as it was in Quebec) whose primary interest is their own empowerment and enrichment.
They hold referendum after referendum, legislative vote after vote, until they manage to cobble together a majority and then declare there will be no more referenda or votes. The decision is irrevocable and their new state is indivisible. They use ignorance, resentment and a sence of violation.. or superiority.. as a tool. They reject patriotism to a cause and promote an identity with ever more discriminate definitions of membership.
Be clear, Catalonia is economically untenable outside the European Union. And the EU is unravelling from its perimeters inward. This is a coup d'etat by a hermetically sealed political cult living in a fantasy world that doesn't reflect is own heterogeneous culture or its dependance on the Spanish superstructure.
It's a gang of rich self appointed legates who don't want to support the poorer regions of its country, but want all the benefits that accrue from the open European market, without responsibility to its own nurturing motherland.
It will fail, and likely it will lead to violence.
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One of the fundamental differences between these other places and their occupiers and Quebec (or any other Canadian Province) is that Canada is a confederation and each and every province joined it voluntarily. In the case of the most recent member ... Newfoundland ... after a popular plebiscite. Almost every other example above ...Catalonia, Scotland, Wales, etc. were absorbed by force of arms. Quebec joined Upper Canada, New Brunswick and Nova Scotia by the stroke of a pen and not at the end of a bayonet. I suppose that it gives any province the right to leave unmolested, as well.
At least Hamas is fighting for it's citizens rather than against them.
One quick lesson on why are European Royalty is nothing but thugs in disguise.
European Royals are ALL from Edom/Esau – Riksavisen
The lie.
The truth.
Not one of the Royal Houses in Europe is from the Ten Lost Tribes of Israel, probably nor from the tribe of Judah. There was a coup d’état, and Edomites and khazars took the power, by killings, lies and deceptions. «You shall know them by their fruits». Judaized Christianity. Real Lost Tribes of Israel (white european people), hijacked by Khazars, Edomites and askenazis, by The Crown who pretend they are British Israelites, Rothschilds et al. May Cromwell still burn in Hell for beeing paid to allow them back into England, and able to do this infltration and identity theft.
Is The British Royal Family Secretly Jewish?
https://cigpapers.wordpress.com/2013/09/28/is-the-british-royal-family-secretly-jewish/
Timeline Of The Jewish Genocide Of The British People
https://cigpapers.wordpress.com/2015/02/02/timeline-of-the-jewish-genocide-of-the-british-people/
«The British Royal family are a subset of the Rothschild family and the Rothschilds control all the wars and finances of the British monarchy. The British Royal family declare war as soon as the Rothschilds have completed their preparations. This makes for huge profits.»
How to take over the World - Greg Hallett and The Spymaster - TheWorldOfTruth.net
1925: This year’s Jewish Encyclopaedia, states of the existence of Ashkenazi Jews (who represent approximately 90% of so-called world Jewry), with the startling admission that the so-called enemy of the Jews, Esau (also known as Edom, see Genesis 36:1
), now actually represents the Jewish race, when on page 42 of Volume V it is stated, “Edom is in modern Jewry.” So what they’re basically saying is that these Ashkenazi Jews, who represent 90% of the so-called Jewish population, are actually of the tribe God hates (Malachi 1:3
; Romans 9:13
).«The King of the Jews will rule the world from London where the ‘square mile’ of London City no longer belongs to the English people but was long ago sold to the Jews. However, the Talmud states that the leader of the world Jewish takeover would be a King, meaning that should a male Jew ascend to the throne such a King would then himself not only be the senior Elder of Zion but also the long awaited Messiah; The King of the Jews. As there are no remnants of the ancient Jewish royalty, and in order to fulfil the prophesy, Jewish royalty must be re-established, and it appears from this evidence that the current British Royal family has become the vehicle of choice.»
http://bosniapress.info/index.php/n...called-british-royal-family-they-are-all-jews
http://bosniapress.info/index.php/n...called-british-royal-family-they-are-all-jews
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That was a century before Confederation and there was a lot of water under the bridge by 1867. The British did not withdraw from Quebec but they also did not force them to join Confederation.There could have been, conceivably, a Francophone country that was still part of the British Empire but outside Canada. That could have happened, although it would have been unwieldy. The British carried another, similar colony well into the 20th century in the form of Newfoundland but eventually, it became ridiculous to continue carrying them when there was another big, rich country "just across the strait".
Quebec's best bet was to join with Upper Canada, etc. and that is likely still true.
Catalonia was a land and a people before Spain was.
( remember what Spain did in the new world?: PLEASE DO NOT TALK ABOUT MORALS)
They took their "possessions" through decree and force of arms and justified it all with a gawd that doesn't exist.
But people who voted to be independent of that don't understand democracy.
hmmm.
The EU is as far from democracy as you can get.
Correct. Catalonia was a sovereign state until it became part of Spain about 300 years ago, around the same time that the Kingdom of England (modern England and Wales) and the Kingdom of Scotland lost their statehoods when they unified to form the new Kingdom of Great Britain.
Between 300,000 and 1,000,000 demonstrators (depending on whose figures you believe) came out the streets of Barcelona on Sunday to reject Catalonian independence from Spain. That exceeded any demonstration in celebration of the declaration of indendence.
The independence was orchestrated by way unConstituional laws and referendums that left out what was likely a majority of Catalans. The separatists first changed their own Constitution in secret which had required a 2/3rd majority for changing the regional status and amending any of its articles. And then rammed it through their own legislature with a bare majority on the basis of a contrived and illegal referendum. They used public funds to promote and administer the referendum.
That is all illegal. And Spain has brought charges of rebellion, sedition and embezzlement against the President Carles Puigdemont and others in the Catalan government for imposing its minority opinion on a majority of Catalonians. Puigdemont did what you'd expect from a political opportunist whose gambit had failed. He ran away, and sought amnesty in Belgium. It sounds typical of the scummy types that run these movements. You'd find their types in the Quebec separatist organs as well.
As for those who support the movement you can guess what they are. They exist everywhere. They are drawn to a form of local communal arnarchism. They deeply resent any state authority. They are misanthropes, intensely naive and support utopian and fantasy ridden vision of a 'free' society that is simply untenable in the real world. For the most part they are young, idealistic and easily manipulated by cynical political operatives and demagogues.
And this is what its come to. Spain had no other choice but to burst this bubble of deception and treason.
The independence was orchestrated by way unConstituional laws and referendums that left out what was likely a majority of Catalans. The separatists first changed their own Constitution in secret which had required a 2/3rd majority for changing the regional status and amending any of its articles. And then rammed it through their own legislature with a bare majority on the basis of a contrived and illegal referendum. They used public funds to promote and administer the referendum.
That is all illegal. And Spain has brought charges of rebellion, sedition and embezzlement against the President Carles Puigdemont and others in the Catalan government for imposing its minority opinion on a majority of Catalonians. Puigdemont did what you'd expect from a political opportunist whose gambit had failed. He ran away, and sought amnesty in Belgium. It sounds typical of the scummy types that run these movements. You'd find their types in the Quebec separatist organs as well.
As for those who support the movement you can guess what they are. They exist everywhere. They are drawn to a form of local communal arnarchism. They deeply resent any state authority. They are misanthropes, intensely naive and support utopian and fantasy ridden vision of a 'free' society that is simply untenable in the real world. For the most part they are young, idealistic and easily manipulated by cynical political operatives and demagogues.
And this is what its come to. Spain had no other choice but to burst this bubble of deception and treason.
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Britain is a sovereign nation state. Catalonia is some fangle of a dependant 'nation' which is unviable except by leeching on some EU superstructure. The EU has declared it does not correspond with its own definition of a State and would be ineligible for membership.
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If the Royals in Spain can dig up an old dusty law then you can be sure the British Royals have the same kind of loophole they can use at the last minute. Letting it appear like it is a way to gain freedom would inspire others to try the same thing and the uprising would be deemed to be treason against the Crown so the rebels can be executed.
Running to Brussels is where the owners of the Royals live so one has to wonder if the Leader folded a bit too easy. It is no different that Lebanon having a Leader that runs to Saudi to take care of his billion dollar business as well using it as a hideout when he fails to get elected. Lebanon under Saudi control makes the offshore resources more or less an Israeli resource.
Running to Brussels is where the owners of the Royals live so one has to wonder if the Leader folded a bit too easy. It is no different that Lebanon having a Leader that runs to Saudi to take care of his billion dollar business as well using it as a hideout when he fails to get elected. Lebanon under Saudi control makes the offshore resources more or less an Israeli resource.