It's Time to Upgrade Free Speech to Fair Speech

White_Unifier

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Sorry Nazis.


Man with swastika tattoo organizing white supremacist rally in Peterborough, Ont.

A man with a swastika tattooed on his chest is organizing a white supremacist rally in Peterborough, Ontario on Saturday.

Kevin Goudreau, chairman of the group Canadian Nationalist Front, told Evan Solomon on the Bell Talk Radio Network that he is not a white supremacist--- preferring instead to be referred to as a white nationalist---- and that the rally is an anti-Trudeau, anti-illegal immigration rally.

Goudreau has a large swastika tattooed on the centre of his chest and there are photographs shared online of him giving the Heil Sieg, the Nazi salute.

When questionned about the tattoo and aligning himself with white supremacist and neo-nazi groups, Goudreau said his aim is to unite the right and stop immigration into Canada.

"I got [the tattoo] 20 years ago and it wasn't meant as anything to do with WWII Germany or anti-semitism. It was just a thing to -- I was idealistic. I wanted to take the symbol back," Goudreau told Solomon.

The Canadian Nationlist Front website links to groups and websites such as Stormfront, David Duke, and White Aryan Resistance, all known for their white supremacist beliefs. There is very little distinction between white supremacy and white nationalism.

When asked why he aligns himself with Neo-Nazis, Goudreau said "We may differ in methodology or ideology, but the basics is to unite the right wing to further our cause in the sense of preservation of the original demographics of this country."

Diane Therrien, a Peterborough city councillor, told The Evan Solomon Show that Goudreau is an angry, sad,and violent person.

"He's been in downtown Peterborough and he's been kicked out of bars here. he's assaulted people," Therrien told Solomon.

The City of Peterborough granted a permit for the rally to take place Saturday.

Many groups are calling for the city to revoke the permit to Canadian Nationalist Front for the rally, citing Canadian hate laws.

Friends of Simon Wiesenthal Center for Holocaust Studies issued a statement urging Peterborough's mayor and councillors to pull the permit for the rally on city property.

"There is nothing peaceful about white nationalists marching in public spewing messages of hate and intolerance," said FSWC president and CEO Avi Benlolo. "The mayor and city councillors must intervene to reverse this decision immediately."

Peterborough Mayor Daryl Bennett said in a letter that the city must stand together against racism and hate.

Man with swastika tattoo organizing white supremacist rally in Peterborough, Ont. | CTV Ottawa News

Are you a fan of a Canadian-values test?
 

White_Unifier

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Of course he is. He is pro immigration. People aren't coming here for the climate.

Haw are support for a Canadian-values test and support for immigration related? I'm not pro-immigration per se but rather just pro-open borders. Whether people want to migrate or not aught to be left up to them.

Yet I don't support a Canadian-values test on practical grounds among many others. Firstly, who will define Canadian values. Secondly, how do we ensure that a person hasn't just memorized the desired answer?


So if a Hindu decides to wear a t-shirt with a swastika on it, what should we do about him?
 

mentalfloss

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So if a Hindu decides to wear a t-shirt with a swastika on it, what should we do about him?

Depends on the context.

It would certainly invite skepticism, but if the intention was not discriminatory and clearly no one was affected, then it wouldn't matter.
 

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Haw are support for a Canadian-values test and support for immigration related? I'm not pro-immigration per se but rather just pro-open borders. Whether people want to migrate or not aught to be left up to them.

Yet I don't support a Canadian-values test on practical grounds among many others. Firstly, who will define Canadian values. Secondly, how do we ensure that a person hasn't just memorized the desired answer?



So if a Hindu decides to wear a t-shirt with a swastika on it, what should we do about him?
Easy. If you don't meet the leftie values you are persona non grata.

Depends on the context.

It would certainly invite skepticism, but if the intention was not discriminatory and clearly no one was affected, then it wouldn't matter.

How is a tattoo discriminatory and a T shirt isn't?
 

White_Unifier

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I believe in open borders, and one could interpret any opposition to open borders except maybe for the most legitimate security reasons as being motivated by nationalism or discrimination on the basis of nationality, and some understand discrimination on the basis of nationality to be as illegitimate as discrimination on the basis of age, race, sex, language, religion, etc.

So, should we ban all expressions of opposition to open borders as hate speech?
 

mentalfloss

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I believe in open borders, and one could interpret any opposition to open borders except maybe for the most legitimate security reasons as being motivated by nationalism or discrimination on the basis of nationality, and some understand discrimination on the basis of nationality to be as illegitimate as discrimination on the basis of age, race, sex, language, religion, etc.

So, should we ban all expressions of opposition to open borders as hate speech?


Borders only exist as a means of defining a set of legislation to a particular territory.

Appeasing the individual isn't what democracy is all about.

How can any system be the appeasement of one person?

(You're really getting dumber by the second now.)
 

White_Unifier

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Borders only exist as a means of defining a set of legislation to a particular territory.



How can any system be the appeasement of one person?

(You're really getting dumber by the second now.)

They apply to the people ascribed to that territory too, even when abroad. For example, a person labelled as Canadian can get Canadian consular services abroad while a non-Canadian in Canada is not recognized as having the same rights even though he is inhabiting the same territory due to his having been legally labelled differently based on place of birth or some other arbitrary criterion like nationality of parents, etc. as if it's somehow genetic.
 

mentalfloss

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Of course.

But let's not assume that legislation truly represents everyone's values.

That's why a 'Canadian Values' test is a disingenuous moniker.
 

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Of course.

But let's not assume that legislation truly represents everyone's values.

That's why a 'Canadian Values' test is a disingenuous moniker.

After reading through this entire topic I've come to the conclusion that not only do you not know what you are writing about, you don't care what you are writing about and you only do it to provoke people. You are, I fear, a very shallow little man. Pity, that.
 

mentalfloss

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After reading through this entire topic I've come to the conclusion that not only do you not know what you are writing about, you don't care what you are writing about and you only do it to provoke people. You are, I fear, a very shallow little man. Pity, that.

You call me shallow in a drive by post with no actual substance.