It's Time to Upgrade Free Speech to Fair Speech

[TenPenny]

If any of you happened to catch 'this is that' on cbc radio this morning, one part (last 5 or 10 minutes) was about a guy in Winnipeg who runs a service getting people who argue on the net to meet in real life so they can argue face to face.


It's funny as heck, and made me think of this place.


https://podcast-a.akamaihd.net/mp3/podcasts/thisisthat_20170928_82188.mp3

 

[DaSleeper]

So did political correctness and and the cronyism in politicians create the right atmosphere for a Donald Trump win?

 

[captain morgan]

Who watches the watchers?

It would be the Grand Poobah who has the best interests of the populace in mind that is the overseer in this case.

... Some examples of such are Stalin, Pol Pot, Castro and Kim Jong Un... All working for the betterment of the folks in their utopic societies

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

It would be the Grand Poobah who has the best interests of the populace in mind that is the overseer in this case.

... Some examples of such are Stalin, Pol Pot, Castro and Kim Jong Un... All working for the betterment of the folks in their utopic societies

And, of course, Hitler. And the Puritans. And the governors and state legislators who passed Jim Crow. And the anti-drug warriors.

And anybody who wants to illegalize any activity that does not proximately cause indusputable harm to others.

 

[TenPenny]

Who watches the watchers? Well, in the US, it would be someone appointed by the POTUS. How would flossie handle that?

 

[captain morgan]

And, of course, Hitler. And the Puritans. And the governors and state legislators who passed Jim Crow. And the anti-drug warriors.

And anybody who wants to illegalize any activity that does not proximately cause indusputable harm to others.

Absolutely... We could easily add Senator McCarthy, the various Caesars throughout the Roman empire and many many more to be sure.

That said, one of the huge differences though relates to how many of the, shall we say, right of center ideologues butchered their own populace to retain control as opposed to the ideology on the left

... As was pointed out by another poster, it is the left of center ideologues that were of the practice of erecting walls to prevent the people from leaving.

 

[mentalfloss]

That would depend on what the person or people in charge of speech would allow. If they determined "nazi" was unacceptable you wouldn't be able to say it. That's the problem with your idea....other people get to determine what you can say and could just as easily outlaw words you like.


Yes we do, so why do we need more restraint on freedoms?


Well that and the ability to prevent free and open discussion of ideas you don't like or agree with as evidenced by this statement....
"They are free to be racist in their own homes and anonymously on 4chan."

As usual, you Trumptards misunderstand free speech to begin with.


This isn't about saying a 'bad word'.

This is about having a platform to promote discrimination and that can be easily remedied without putting anyone in a bad situation.

We don't allow rallies to promote other forms of terrorism, so this is no different.

Although I'm sure Colpy would be perfectly fine with an Islamic Terrorism rally.

 

[PoliticalNick]

As usual, you Trumptards misunderstand free speech to begin with.


This isn't about saying a 'bad word'.

This is about having a platform to promote discrimination and that can be easily remedied without putting anyone in a bad situation.

We don't allow rallies to promote other forms of terrorism, so this is no different.

Although I'm sure Colpy would be perfectly fine with an Islamic Terrorism rally.

Again that opinion is based upon YOUR personal definition of terrorism which apparently doesn't include those promoting a totalitarian regime where everyone must follow the leader and his/her beliefs and opinions.....like the Liberals are trying to impose which makes them terrorists by definition.

 

[TenPenny]

You are deliberately obtuse, which is perfectly acceptable in a free society.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

As usual, you Trumptards misunderstand free speech to begin with.


This isn't about saying a 'bad word'.

This is about having a platform to promote discrimination and that can be easily remedied without putting anyone in a bad situation.

We don't allow rallies to promote other forms of terrorism, so this is no different.

Although I'm sure Colpy would be perfectly fine with an Islamic Terrorism rally.

And just like Colpy, you want to punish people based on your interpretation of the ideology they espouse, rather than on their acts.

And no, I'm not even slightly fooled by your focus on Nazism. Before you even got your ban in place, you would expand it far beyond Nazism to many aspects of ordinary conservatism.

 

[10larry]

Free speech/free expression do not abide pc, no matter the reason, resources as in spain, nato grab as in crimea or sexism as in calif the voice of huddled masses via referendum must be tempered for the preservation of status quo.
If pc is to dominate pesky popular opinion(s) need to be either massaged or negated, free speech is way too democratic a process for political practitioners to navigate, massaged or fair speech does not challenge their diplomatic skills.

Catalonia parliament approves independence referendum - BBC News

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Free speech/free expression do not abide pc, no matter the reason, resources as in spain, nato grab as in crimea or sexism as in calif the voice of huddled masses via referendum must be tempered for the preservation of status quo.
If pc is to dominate pesky popular opinion(s) need to be either massaged or negated, free speech is way too democratic a process for political practitioners to navigate, massaged or fair speech does not challenge their diplomatic skills.

Catalonia parliament approves independence referendum - BBC News

One. . . more. . . time.

Free speech protects you from punishment of your speech by the government. When you talk like a moronic jerk, and somebody calls you a moronic jerk, that's that person exercising her freedom of speech. I understand that you want to be able to say whatever vile thing pops into your head and prevent anybody else from speaking freely against it, but that ain't the way it works.

 

[mentalfloss]

I'll take Colpy's silence as acknowledgement of his acceptance of a Sharia law rally.

He'll be there handing out guns.

For free speech.

 

[TenPenny]

I'll take Colpy's silence as acknowledgement of his acceptance of a Sharia law rally.

I'll take your post as proof that you're a racist who hates muslims.

 

[mentalfloss]

Well you'd be wrong but that's fine.

 

[10larry]

One. . . more. . . time.

Free speech protects you from punishment of your speech by the government. When you talk like a moronic jerk, and somebody calls you a moronic jerk, that's that person exercising her freedom of speech. I understand that you want to be able to say whatever vile thing pops into your head and prevent anybody else from speaking freely against it, but that ain't the way it works.

If something/anything is punishable by bureaucrats it cannot be deemed as free.

 

[PoliticalNick]

I'll take Colpy's silence as acknowledgement of his acceptance of a Sharia law rally.

He'll be there handing out guns.

I'll take his silence as he is probably at work...something you know nothing about there Mentalnazi!

That said if you support free speech then you support the right for people to hold a rally for sharia law. I don't have to agree with what you say but I will vehemently defend your right to say it. That's a Libertarian view and real free speech, not this 'liberal' (LOL) restrictive view where you only have a right to say what I approve of.

 

[mentalfloss]

Yes, I already recognize the stupidity of libertarians.

They would rather propagate racism to the detriment of all rather than make one small sacrifice that would benefit everyone.

Is it any surprise that their American party leader didn't know what the fukk Aleppo was?

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

If something/anything is punishable by bureaucrats it cannot be deemed as free.

That is true, and I know in Canadastan you have rules and laws that would be unConstitutional in the States. However, most "PC" is social pressure, not government action.

Boy, it really hurts your feels to not be able to use racial, sexual, and disability slurs without having people thinking and saying you're an a**hole, don't it? Not sure I've seen many people so worked up about it.

Juice box?

 

[PoliticalNick]

That is true, and I know in Canadastan you have rules and laws that would be unConstitutional in the States. However, most "PC" is social pressure, not government action.

Boy, it really hurts your feels to not be able to use racial, sexual, and disability slurs without having people thinking and saying you're an a**hole, don't it? Not sure I've seen many people so worked up about it.

Juice box?

Not sure where you get the idea we can't use slurs....I do all the time ya fukkin wagon burner....LOL

Yes, I already recognize the stupidity of libertarians.

They would rather propagate racism to the detriment of all rather than make one small sacrifice that would benefit everyone.

Is it any surprise that their American party leader didn't know what the fukk Aleppo was?

Yes, yes, we all know you want an authoritarian fascist regime where you are the king (more likely a queen) and everyone shares your beliefs and views. Too bad that will never happen. Poor Mentalnazi!