BRIEF* HISTORY* of* SYMMETRY and* ASYMMETRY.* / by Socratus /

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** BRIEF* HISTORY* of* SYMMETRY and* ASYMMETRY.* / by Socratus /
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** a)*
In 1905* Einstein involved negative time in his SRT.
b)
Nobody knew what negative time* can mean* and therefore Minkowski in 1908
changed negative time into positive time creating 4-D spacetime.
The theory became very beautiful* and as a young physicist said me:
‘ My professor says that you cannot be physicist if you don’t understand
the beauty of SRT in Minkowski’s interpretation.’ but . . .* but nobody knew
and nobody knows* what 4-D really is.* (!)
So, Minkowski was the first person who put symmetry between time and space-dimension.
c)
‘ In 1918 Emmy Noether published theory that every differentiable symmetry
of the action of a physical system has a corresponding conservation law.
Noether's theorem has become a fundamental tool of modern theoretical physics,
both because of the insight it gives into conservation laws, and also,
as a practical calculation tool. ‘
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emmy_Noether
So, thanks* to* Noether the symmetries were legitimate in physics.
d)*
In 1919 Kaluza said that Minkowski’s interpretation is very beautiful, but his theory
doesn’t have forces. Therefore he took* gravitation and electromagnetic forces
as one more* dimension and create 5-D universe.
So, Kaluza* was the* first person who put symmetry between forces and dimension.
e)
To explain and to prove Kaluza’s theory* O.Klein* in 1926 suggested that one dimension
can wrap into* very – very small region – universe, but . . .* but** Mincowski 4-D would
stay unchanged.* (!)
So, Klein was the person who wrapped gravitation and electromagnetic forces
into very –very small region.
Mathematically the theory was beautiful* and interesting but*
nobody knew* what 5-D is and how one* dimension can wrap. (!)
f)
It was passed about 50 years.
New forces were discovered and some physicists came to conclusion that
quantum particle cannot be ‘a point’. Quantum particle as** ‘a point’* doesn’t reflect
the thru image / face of quantum particle.* And because quantum particle at the same
time is a wave therefore it must vibrate for example as a string of violin or guitar.
But this string-particle needs 10 or* 11 – dimensions.
All dimensions except Minkowski* 4-D must wrap.
Minkowski 4-D keeps unchanged.* (!)
Later was invented another kind of string – loop string-particle that needed
26 or 27 dimensions. And again – in this theory Minkowski 4-D is unchanged. (!)
Physicists say that these theories are very beautiful.
The problem is that nobody** knows if these extra- dimensions and these
string – particles really exist.
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My opinion:
a - b)
Minkowski in 1908* took time as a symmetry of space.
Space and time became equal each other and therefore we say: ‘spacetime’.
So, if I think of space as a distance then* I must say:
1hour is equal 5 kilometres, 2hour =10 km, 3hour= 15km,* . . . .etc.
But in physics we have only one particle which corresponding to
this condition. And it is photon with constant speed 1sec=300000 km.
In other words: SRT is theory about behaviour of quantum of light
in* the* spacetime.
c)
Emmy Noether was a great and famous mathematician, but bad physicist.
Why?
Because* there isn’t such law in physics* as* ‘ conservation law ’
or* ‘The law of conservation of mass’.
If you read in Wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservation_of_energy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservation_of_mass
it is half-truth. Half-true* theory is deceitful theory.
You cannot believe half-true* explanation.
The true theory says - there is* only
‘Law of conservation and transformation energy/mass’.
We cannot talk about one without talking about the other.
The law of conservation and transformation energy/mass
is a law about a symmetry and asymmetry in the Nature.
If somebody think that* “ The Law of conservation and
transformation of energy/ mass “ is a simple
bookkeeping calculation of debit-credit** he* is* mistaken.
It is a primitive judgment about one of the most important Law in Nature.
Why?
The bookkeeping calculation of debit-credit is*
“ a symmetry law” - like 1$ is equal 100 cents.
But in the Universe we see the laws of symmetry and we see
the laws of breaking of symmetry.
The Life in the Universe is connected* with* symmetry and* with breaking of symmetry.
The forms of living creatures are almost always symmetrical.
But sooner or later comes time of breaking symmetry.
And a* "broken symmetry"* doesn’t* look as* symmetric thing.
( It means : 1$ is not exactly* equal to 100 cents.)
Between symmetry and asymmetry* the effect of ‘transformation’ appears.
But nobody explains what the* ‘transformation’ means according to one
single quantum particle.
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If somebody takes only one part of the law (conservation )
and ignore the second part of it (transformation) then abstract ideas
appear in physics* and we lost sight of the real picture of Nature* .
d - e)
Kaluza and** Klein idea about unity of gravitation and electromagnetic
forces in spacetime* is not finished.
One of problem that gravity is very weak force.
The electromagnetic force is 10^42 times stronger than gravity.
Therefore the problem of unity gravity with quantum theory is still unsolved.
f)
The string theory has its own problem.
In my opinion, if I don’t know what 2 + 2 = 4 then I cannot do more complex calculations.
And if physicists don’t know what 4-D really is, then following calculations are abstracted.
g)
‘Law of conservation and transformation energy/mass’* means
that energy/mass particles can be conserved into potential state
after / through* transformation* and later appear as active particles
also through act of transformation.
Through act of transformation the combined symmetry CPT
* ( charge, space, time ) can be created and* destroyed.
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Best wishes.
Israel* Sadovnik* Socratus.
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The ability to actually be aware of events which will occur in the future is evident in people who knowingly or unknowingly practice shamanistic principles. Nociception causes a sensitivity to this type of information. The trick is to get the information through to the cognitive mind in a meaningful way. It is part of the immune system's regular duties, but in a very subtle way, to be sensitive to this type of information.

This indicates that humans are aware of the realm where there are no extra Ds.
:)
It's the same realm where information can travel light years instantly between paired photons or electrons.
 

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Everything you know is wrong

This “realistic” view cannot, (and did not), survive the onslaught of data from experiments
on photons and other subatomic particles.
It’s not that physicists, in a fit of stubborn perversity,
decided to construct a theory that contradicted our most cherished intuitions about reality.
Instead, the results of experiments stubbornly refused to yield to any sort of classical interpretation.
The invention of the quantum formalism was an act of desperation—one that worked.
If we limit ourselves to asking questions permitted by quantum theory,
we’ll be rewarded with correct answers.
But if we insist on trying to grasp the meaning of what the theory tells us
using concepts from the classical world, we’ll become mired in confusion.

https://arstechnica.com/science/2017/07/a-brief-history-of-quantum-alternatives/

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* Everything you know is wrong ( or you don't try realistic and logical
to understand quantum theory because we live in Alice's * Wonderland )

https://arstechnica.com/science/2017/07/a-brief-history-of-quantum-alternatives/

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Someone has been smoke'n some bad shit..

 

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* The Law of Conservation of Energy states that energy cannot be
created or destroyed,* just transformed from one form to another.
These forms can include kinetic and potential energy .
Since energy cannot be created or destroyed,
the amount of energy present in the universe is always the same.
It is simply being transformed and transferred over and over again.
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So, conservation* laws cannot be understand without transformation laws.
Physicists explain one side and nobody* explains the other side -
-* the* transformation** of the one* single quantum particle.
And the conservation* laws and transformation laws
are like two different sides of the same coin.
A coin without picture on one side doesn't have value.

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* The Law of Conservation of Energy states that energy cannot be
created or destroyed,* just transformed from one form to another.
These forms can include kinetic and potential energy .
Since energy cannot be created or destroyed,
the amount of energy present in the universe is always the same.
It is simply being transformed and transferred over and over again.
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So, conservation* laws cannot be understand without transformation laws.
Physicists explain one side and nobody* explains the other side -
-* the* transformation** of the one* single quantum particle.
And the conservation* laws and transformation laws
are like two different sides of the same coin.
A coin without picture on one side doesn't have value.

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The universe doesn't move forward in time by itself. And that is the key.
Big object need more energy then small objects to push them forward in time.

The difference in that energy between two objects needed to push them both forward in time has consequences.
It causes smaller objects to be attracted to bigger ones (gravity). Due to the much higher energy exerted on the bigger object. And the proximity of the smaller object to the bigger one. The different levels of energy between objects have consequences of attracting smaller object to bigger ones relatively to the difference in energy needed to push both forward in time.

Small living things will move forward in time much slower, then larger living things, due to the higher level of energy exerted to on them to push larger objects forward in time. This is why we observe bacteria multiply many generations within one of our (human) spacetime day. Due to the size of bacteria the lesser amount of energy needed to push them forward in time means they experience time much slower then we do. This is simply because our size requires more energy to push it forward in time making our time faster.

Its also why smaller living creatures like spiders have no problem walking on walls and ceilings since their smaller size means that the ceiling exerts some gravity on it.

This makes it seem like billions of infinite dimensions exist. Because of the relativity in how different objects experience time at a different rate based on size and the much higher energy required to push them forward in time.

The energy pushing space forward in time is the only dimension we can't see or experience with our sense. We know the universe moves forward in time but we do not see feel smell here the mechanism it uses to do so.
 
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Stop being so jealous Tec :roll:
Why on earth would I be jealous of an imbecile?

But just to prove, once again, how wrong you are. . .

Now scientists have solved the long-standing mystery of their sticky success: Their secret is small hairs at the end of their legs.

These thousands of tiny hairs create multiple contact points between the spider and the surface that increase the spider’s ability to hang on, scientists have found.
The hairs are both small and flexible. At the molecular level, even the smoothest surfaces are rough, so if the spider’s hairs were rigid, the arachnid could make contact only with certain parts of the surface. But because the hairs are malleable, they can make contact with more of the surface, which provides additional stickiness, said Jonas Wolff, a biologist at the University of Kiel in Germany.

https://voices.nationalgeographic.org/2014/02/01/spiders-stickiness-arachnids-animals-science-weird/

Nothing to do with the ceiling exerting gravity, you drooling imbecile.
 

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Why on earth would I be jealous of an imbecile?

But just to prove, once again, how wrong you are. . .

Now scientists have solved the long-standing mystery of their sticky success: Their secret is small hairs at the end of their legs.

These thousands of tiny hairs create multiple contact points between the spider and the surface that increase the spider’s ability to hang on, scientists have found.
The hairs are both small and flexible. At the molecular level, even the smoothest surfaces are rough, so if the spider’s hairs were rigid, the arachnid could make contact only with certain parts of the surface. But because the hairs are malleable, they can make contact with more of the surface, which provides additional stickiness, said Jonas Wolff, a biologist at the University of Kiel in Germany.

https://voices.nationalgeographic.org/2014/02/01/spiders-stickiness-arachnids-animals-science-weird/

Nothing to do with the ceiling exerting gravity, you drooling imbecile.

It makes you mad doesn't it :laughing3:

Even if im wrong about the spider. Which is very possible, doesn't disprove anything i have said.
 

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What, that you're wrong again? Not at all. It's mildly amusing.


Being wrong doesn't disprove what you've said? Only in your head.

Proving one example of 5 is wrong only proves the whole idea is wrong only in you're head.
Because you're intellectually compromised emotionally out of hate for me, you act only in hopes im wrong Because of your emotional need to see me fail.

The majority of earths population has been all wrong about things in the pass.

You're lack of faith doesn't really matter to me.
 
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Proving one example of 5 is wrong only proves the whole idea is wrong only in you're head.
Because you're intellectually compromised emotionally out of hate for me, you act only in hopes im wrong Because of your emotional need to see me fail.

The majority of earths population has been all wrong about things in the pass.

You're lack of faith doesn't really matter to me.
Well, you're certainly in the majority.
 

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I would prefer a more balanced view of asymmetry, myself.

* *Noether's theorem of differentiable symmetries* cannot contain any breaks.
So it can be associated with conservation laws.
* But asymmetry is associated with some kind of* breaks, some kind of transformation.
* And the conservation* laws and transformation laws
are like two different sides of the same coin.
A coin without* picture on one side** doesn't have value.
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The complete collapse of the Canadian social welfare system has already come to pass? Why wasn't this in the papers?

Im not sure what that has to do with spiders having little difficulty walking on the ceiling.

Looks like you got nothing again.

You're fairly sensitive Tec. You remind me of Trump.
 

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But the real picture of the 21st century is far stranger, and amateurs
may not be fully aware of it.

In a very brief nutshell, all "things" have been replaced by fields
which extend over ALL space and time. They don't live IN space and time
like you imagine particles or ping pong balls. They are part of the
fabric OF space and time.

There are ripples in these fields, which have behavior constrained by
symmetries of nature, which are more fundamental in a deep sense than
the conservation laws of nature.

Ripples can be measured by a quantity called "action", which physicists
have known about for a long time. What they didn't know until the 20th
century is that the smallest chunk of action is given by a number called
Planck's constant. These smallest ripples are what we associate with
field quanta, and when physicists say "fundamental particles" they are
really talking about these field quanta.

So, recapping so far, the idea of "things" moving through space and time
has become replaced with the idea of fields that extend everywhere, and
the ripples in them that are bestowed with small amounts of action.

(I've glossed over a key idea that a field is nothing more than a map of
the value(s) of a property(ies) OF spacetime itself. Different fields
correspond to different sets of properties of spacetime, and all the
fields overlay each other. The little quantized ripples in the fields
can be distinct from each other though, in some sense.)

Now the last core concept is that a ripple carrying some action in one
field can generate or disturb a ripple carrying some action in a
different field. This is what we call an interaction between fields.
Here's where another old idea gets replaced -- charge (like color charge
or electromagnetic charge) is not some kind of "stuff" that belongs to
"things"; instead, charge is just defined as that tendency for a given
pair of fields to interact and create ripples in each other. The laws
that control these interactions are in fact driven by yet more
symmetries of nature (local gauge symmetries).

What's astonishing about this is that physicists now believe that the
fundamental thing that physics is about is the interaction, not the
object. And rather than physical laws, physicists now think of
symmetries as the fundamental constraint.

So gone are the days of thinking of the world as moving things in a
backdrop of space and time. Here today we have the primacy of the
interaction, of action, and of symmetry. And THAT is what 21st century
physics seems to me to be really about.

There are lots of good references here that support this nutshell recap
in much better detail.

Odd Bodkin
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/sci.physics/-IswrWd65cs


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