Regulation of Interception of Communications and Provision of Communication-Related I

[White_Unifier]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reg...f_Communication-related_Information_Act,_2002

Does Canada need a law like this one?

I'be been thinking about just how easily I'd bought a prepaid mobile phone recently. Though I paid by card, I could just as easily paid cash.

The TELUS salesman never asked to see my ID.

I registered the sim card at home over my home WiFi, but what would have stopped me from using a public WiFi connection?

I paid for my TELUS plan using my personal bank card, but could I have anonymously bought a TELUS top-up card at the supermarket?

If I wanted even more privacy, I could set up an anonymous Google account and e-mail address for the phone, download Skype, Fongo, and TextNow, pay cash for a Google Play top up card at the supermarket and then use that credit to to to buy Skype services. I could pay cash to buy prepaid credit card anonymously and use that to subscribe to a VirtuFon Skype-in number for Canada.

With a little effort (and not much), I could have an anonymous prepaid smartphone data plan, a free anonymous Congo number, a free anonymous TextNow number that could freely change every 14 days, and an affordable anonymous Skype-in number, so three different anonymous virtual phone numbers on one single device.

Am I missing something here?

It would seem reasonable to my mind that a telecom be required to register every phone number that it assigns. When I bought the prepaid phone and sim card, the TELUS agent ought to have been required by law to see my ID, register the phone number to my ID and registration date in-store, and pass it on to a national database where it would be saved for 70 years.

There is no way we should be able to acquire a mobile phone number so anonymously.

 

[White_Unifier]

Should telecommunications companies be allowed to assign phone numbers to anonymous applicants?

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

No! The Ministerium fur Staats Sicherheit must be informed of all things at all times!

 

[White_Unifier]

No! The Ministerium fur Staats Sicherheit must be informed of all things at all times!

Sarcasm aside, let's face it. If I can get a completely anonymous phone number, that could allow me, if I wanted to, to engage in crime in a highly anonymous and undetectable manner.

Sure there would still be ways to intercept me, but the resources required to do so if I were in possession of an anonymous phone number would be considerable.

We're not talking here about evedropping on calls, but just knowing the last person to whom a particular phone number was registered.

 

[Danbones]

doesn't matter:
The nano chips in the chem trails have embedded themselves in your optic and aural nerves and transmit everything to satellite anyway

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Sarcasm aside, let's face it. If I can get a completely anonymous phone number, that could allow me, if I wanted to, to engage in crime in a highly anonymous and undetectable manner.

Sure there would still be ways to intercept me, but the resources required to do so if I were in possession of an anonymous phone number would be considerable.

We're not talking here about evedropping on calls, but just knowing the last person to whom a particular phone number was registered.

No sarcasm at all. You're on the high road to fascism.

Your same argument could be used to used to delete every right and freedom people have left.

Staat uber Alles!

 

[White_Unifier]

No sarcasm at all. You're on the high road to fascism.

Your same argument could be used to used to delete every right and freedom people have left.

Staat uber Alles!

You can't deny that with the ability to acquire an anonymous phone number, it is now possible to engage in a wide range of crimes far more anonymously than at almost any other time in history.

Like I said, sure mobile phone use always leaves a trace, but with an anonymous user, tracking it down is probably still beyond the technical abilities of the average local police department.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

You can't deny that with the ability to acquire an anonymous phone number, it is now possible to engage in a wide range of crimes far more anonymously than at almost any other time in history.

Leaving your ignorance of technology aside, you can't deny that allowing people to refuse random searches of their homes and persons, and allowing them to refuse to give evidence against themselves, make it possible to engage in a wide range of crimes with far less chance of getting caught than if we simply eliminated these pesky rights.

Like I said, sure mobile phone use always leaves a trace, but with an anonymous user, tracking it down is probably still beyond the technical abilities of the average local police department.

Good.

 

[White_Unifier]

I acknowledge that I'm in two minds about being allowed to acquire a phone number anonymously. Other than for criminal reasons, why would a person need a completely anonymous phone number? It would be easy to hide my phone number from another person, or even have two phone numbers, one I give to some people and another that I give to others. And there could be reasons for that, like separating business and pleasure.

But why would it be so important to keep the ownership of a phone number hidden.

To be fair, even without knowing who I am, the police would have ways to at least lock the phone and so at least prevent me from continuing to use it. But while that can prevent me from committing a crime, how does that help the police catch me?

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

I acknowledge that I'm in two minds about being allowed to acquire a phone number anonymously. Other than for criminal reasons, why would a person need a completely anonymous phone number? It would be easy to hide my phone number from another person, or even have two phone numbers, one I give to some people and another that I give to others. And there could be reasons for that, like separating business and pleasure.

But why would it be so important to keep the ownership of a phone number hidden.

To be fair, even without knowing who I am, the police would have ways to at least lock the phone and so at least prevent me from continuing to use it. But while that can prevent me from committing a crime, how does that help the police catch me?

Other than criminal reasons, why would a person withhold from the police any information they want? Or consent to search their homes, cars, and persons?

 

[White_Unifier]

Other than criminal reasons, why would a person withhold from the police any information they want? Or consent to search their homes, cars, and persons?

My home is my personal space. My room is even more personal, since that is where I go to be alone.

But think of the very purpose of a phone number. It's to communicate with people. With that, it does possess a more public dimension than a person's home does.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

My home is my personal space. My room is even more personal, since that is where I go to be alone.

But think of the very purpose of a phone number. It's to communicate with people. With that, it does possess a more public dimension than a person's home does.

So, you're OK with the government opening people's mail whenever they feel like it?

And screw your personal space. We're keepin' folk SAFE from CRIME here!

Maybe even TERRISM!

 

[White_Unifier]

With that in mind, if the police identify a phone number having been used in a crime, then they should be able to identify the last registered owner of that number. Sure it could end in a dead end, if for example the owner lost the phone or gave it to someone, but at least it would provide a lead, a starting point in the investigation.

We could even make the registration of the phone number inadmissible in court so that it could serve only as an investigative tool for example.

So, you're OK with the government opening people's mail whenever they feel like it?

And screw your personal space. We're keepin' folk SAFE from CRIME here!

Maybe even TERRISM!

I'm no more okay with the police opening my mail than I am with the police listening in on my conversations.

But, I am okay with the police knowing where I reside and knowing my phone number. There is a difference between the police knowing what addresses or phone numbers are registered to my name and their snooping inside my house, opening my mail, or listening in on my phone conversations.

 

[Curious Cdn]

It takes a hell of a lot of people to watch the whole population ... a good part of the population, in fact. There must be six or seven million spooks in this country watching our every moves. You have to admire their discipline and dedication, though because NARY A PEEP has squeeked out of any of the conspirators.

 

[White_Unifier]

It takes a hell of a lot of people to watch the whole population ... a good part of the population, in fact. There must be six or seven million spooks in this country watching our every moves. You have to admire their discipline and dedication, though because NARY A PEEP has squeeked out of any of the conspirators.

If all phone numbers had to be registered to a user, there would be no way for the police to monitor every phone. The only use of such a register would be for when a phone number crosses the police radar during an investigation.

 

[Curious Cdn]

If all phone numbers had to be registered to a user, there would be no way for the police to monitor every phone. The only use of such a register would be for when a phone number crosses the police radar during an investigation.

There is a precedent, btw.. The "German Democratic Republic" ... the one that was neither .."East Germany" had one half of the population spying on the other half. They sure showed those reactionary, imperialist pig-dogs in the West a thing or two!

 

[White_Unifier]

There is a precedent, btw.. The "German Democratic Republic" ... the one that was neither .."East Germany" had one half of the population spying on the other half. They sure showed those reactionary, imperialist pig-dogs in the West a thing or two!

In a country the taxpayers of which vote the government in, though taxpayers can be stupid sometimes, I doubt many would be stupid enough to waste money like East Germany did.

Canada would just not have the human resources to really abuse such a registry.

 

[Curious Cdn]

In a country the taxpayers of which vote the government in, though taxpayers can be stupid sometimes, I doubt many would be stupid enough to waste money like East Germany did.

Canada would just not have the human resources to really abuse such a registry.

Too many yackety-yack loudmouths. The secrets wouldn't last a day.

What a crappy country to put a conspiracy together, eh?