A long time ago.
.. You figured out how morality is such a big part of a web search yet?
PS - Doubtful that Hawking would know
Germany now running on 85% renewable energy
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A long time ago.
.. You figured out how morality is such a big part of a web search yet?
PS - Doubtful that Hawking would know
Not sure which of several posts you refer too? Perhaps you read the Friday May 19/17 Toronto Sun headline explaining CARBON SCAM- and going on to say-as I have also done-that the LIE-beral Carbon crap and trade mess only clean wallets and not the air!
Or this:|
PM’s carbon pricing scheme means bigger government, not lower emissions
By Lorrie Goldstein, Toronto Sun
First posted: Monday, October 03, 2016 06:36 PM EDT | Updated: Monday, October 03, 2016 06:46 PM EDT
Federal carbon tax plan shows disrespect, will hurt economy: Sask. Premier
Trudeau imposes a sin tax on energy
Here’s a simple question for Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and the premiers who support carbon pricing.
If its purpose is to reduce industrial carbon dioxide emissions linked to climate change, why should it grow government revenues by one dollar, let alone billions of dollars annually?
What does bigger government have to do with lowering emissions?
The answer is nothing.
It’s all very well for Trudeau to announce Monday his minimum national carbon price — starting at $10 per tonne of emissions in 2018 and rising to $50 per tonne in 2022 — is revenue neutral for the federal government.
But it’s not revenue neutral for the provinces.
They’ll be raking in billions of dollars out of the pockets of ordinary Canadians, through carbon taxes and cap-and-trade.
And it’s not revenue neutral for Canadians, who will be paying billions of dollars more annually for most goods and services, either in higher taxes or higher prices.
That’s because almost all goods and services consume fossil fuel energy.
Anyone familiar with carbon pricing knows Trudeau’s minimum price, even at $50 per tonne, is far too low to significantly cut emissions.
If Trudeau wants to have any chance of Canada meeting his target, which used to be Stephen Harper’s, of reducing our emissions to 17% below 2005 levels by 2020 and 30% by 2030, he would need to set a carbon price of about $150 per tonne, starting immediately.
But that would destroy our economy, which is why Harper didn’t do it when he was in power.
The only way the economy could survive a national carbon price of $150 per tonne — as opposed to Trudeau’s ineffective cash grab of $10 to $50 per tonne — would be if it was 100% revenue neutral to Canadians.
That is, if every dollar our governments took in from carbon pricing, they returned to Canadians in monthly dividend cheques to spend as they see fit, known as carbon fee and dividend.
Under it, public demand for lower carbon consuming — and thus cheaper — goods and services, would give companies a real-world incentive to innovate.
That’s the opposite of Trudeau’s scheme, in which the provinces are going to pick economic winners and losers and favour some industries over others — often those that give the biggest political donations to the ruling party.
British Columbia’s existing carbon tax comes closest to being revenue neutral, but at its current $30-a-tonne level will have very little impact on emissions.
Meanwhile, governments like Premier Rachel Notley’s in Alberta and Premier Kathleen Wynne’s in Ontario will be giving major industrial emitters billions of dollars in public subsidies through their carbon pricing schemes.
That will delay technological innovation to lower emissions because it insulates them from the purpose of carbon pricing, which is to attach a cost to emissions.
All Canadians will be doing under Trudeau’s scheme is paying a sin tax for using energy, which will not lower emissions. It will just make them poorer.
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My personal view is that Goldstein should get a medal for his exposure of LIE-beral Carbon scams- but you LIE-berals will not recognize ANY view that does not include you remaining in power WITHOUT having to admit your environmental `plans` are a mess and you also INSIST that you and your special cabal of Sunshine List pals will get to continue spewing your major carbon plumes with atv`s, airplanes, huge riding lawn mowers, bass boats doing 60 miles per hour as if the fish might escape before you got down the lake etc!
Your hypocrisy is laid bare as you expect US with the smallest carbon foot prints-since wed have the leats money and dont use planes and cannot afford second homes etc to do the most to save the environment!
It's a repeat of the smog scam where oil companies raked it in with SO2 cap and trade.
The structure of the scheme is identical.
A Conservative program hated by Libs.
The Political History of Cap and Trade | Science | Smithsonian
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The structure of the scheme is identical.
A Conservative program hated by Libs.
The Political History of Cap and Trade | Science | Smithsonian
This needs a thread.
CARBON CRAP AND TRADE seen as a CONSERVATIVE PROGRAM? NO WAY IN HELL- NOT THE WAY LIE-BERALS SET IT UP! The mild and modest Conservative version IS IN PLAY already- if you want the big SUV here in Ontari-owe you pay that extra govt tax that does not hit the little smart car!
Want to clean the environment without totally destroying the economy? Then load on the penalties for sea-doos and atv`s and riding lawn mowers and 70 miles per hour bass boats and air travel=ESPECIALLY AIR travel as Cdn Geographic magazine quoted scientists telling us that 75 -85 percent of ALL pollution related to travel is spewed by airplanes- that`s WAY MORE dirt than ships and buses and cars and trucks and trains combined!
If you want to clean the air then you must pick something that uses fossil fuel that you can live without! And air planes are the easiest thing to do without- you can still get to Florida by train AND save the environment too!
The LIE-beral Carbon train wreck:
I guess the title of this older article says it all. And there are some comments of my own in brackets):
Cap and trade catastrophe. Ontario's carbon pricing scheme, which starts Sunday, is a train wreck
By Lorrie Goldstein, Toronto Sun. First posted: Saturday, December 31, 2016 06:50 PM EST | Updated: Saturday, December 31, 2016 04:25 PM EST
Ontario Premier Kathleen Wynne’s cap and trade scheme goes into effect Sunday, Jan. 1. Here are eight major reasons why you should be alarmed.
1. Costs appear to be higher than estimated
The Wynne government estimates the initial cost of cap and trade per household will be $156 per year, due to increased costs for gasoline ($8 per month) and natural gas home heating fuel ($5 per month), rising to $285 annually in 2019 in direct and indirect costs. However, its own estimate that it will take in $2 billion annually from cap and trade ($8 billion from 2017 to 2020) suggests the real annual cost to Ontarians will be $400 per household, given that Ontario has about five million households. The Ontario Energy Board says the initial increase in homeowners’ heating bills alone — which won’t be listed as a separate charge — will be $5.68 to $6.70 per month, already up to 34% higher than the government’s claim.
(I point out that thus far we are shielded from gas price increases as bankrupt Russia has refused to cut its production in line with OPEC instructions. Russia needs every penny it can get to keep what`s left of its economy afloat-and needs to make weapon sales to desperate Syrian leader ASSAD for more hard currency! Russia sells oil and weapons so that Assad can make Syrians bleed.)
2. No transparency
Unlike a carbon tax, which is visible, cap-and-trade raises the prices of most goods and services, since most consume fossil fuel energy. Businesses pass along their increased costs from having to buy carbon allowances from the government or their competitors, by raising their prices. Since the price of consumer goods is determined by numerous factors, Ontarians will have no way of knowing what they are paying for cap and trade.
3. Severe impact on low-income Ontarians
Cap and trade is essentially a hidden tax on consumption. Since lower income earners, including seniors on fixed incomes, spend a larger proportion of their income on necessities, such as heating their homes in winter, cap and trade will disproportionately impact them in terms of costs. This even though their carbon footprints are relatively small because they do not possess gas guzzling toys such as riding lawn mowers and atv`s, tend to live in apartments as opposed to single family homes, take public transit as opposed to owning cars and do not engage in fossil-fuel intensive activities such as taking foreign vacations.
(I point out that civil service Hogs who definitely DO have LARGE carbon foot prints will be the big benefactors of carbon tax since LIE-berals will use that cash to BUY Hog support at election time. Thus carbon taxes ONLY clean wallets and not air!)
4. No revenue neutrality
While the government is promising to help Ontarians cope with the higher cost of living cap and trade causes, its scheme will not be revenue neutral, meaning it will not return to the public in the form of tax cuts or grants the $2 billion annually it intends to raise from carbon pricing. Instead of helping all Ontarians to cope with the higher cost of living, the government will pick winners and losers, which governments are notoriously bad at doing.
(I point out that carbon crap and trade is a blueprint for the inflation that LIE-berals desperately want to see in action for two reasons: First-they are hoping to benefit from inflation by paying old debt off with new devalued dollars-while keeping interest rates artificially low and thus making debt easier to handle. And second, govt is terrified of deflation-the great killer of economies. Deflation makes mere recession into GREAT DEPRESSION as our history proves! One has only to look at the latest grocery store flyers-there is fresh breast of chicken on sale for $2.00 per pound-the same cost as in the late 1980`s. Grocery stores are scrapping like starving dogs for our business as we pinch our pennies ever more tightly-luring us in is getting ever harder!)
5. Limited effectiveness
Auditor General Bonnie Lysyk says cap and trade will only reduce Ontario’s industrial greenhouse gas emissions linked to climate change by 3.8 megatonnes annually by 2020, 20% of its 18.7 megatonnes target. The government claims the rest of its target, 14.9 megatonnes or 80%, will be achieved by counting emission reductions in California and Quebec resulting from Ontario’s entry into their cap and trade market in 2018.
(In other words, much of the Carbon crap tax collected in Ontari-owe will be spent in California and Quebec to purchase those carbon credit scam deals so beloved of LIE-berals. Sadly much of this carbon `reduction` will be driven by companies moving to other locations out of reach of LIE-beral madness-were they will resume production with NO net benefit to Ontari-owe air or our environment!)
6. Double counting emission cuts
Lysyk warns that since there is no agreement between California, Quebec and Ontario about how to report emission cuts under cap and trade, they may be double counted, undermining the credibility of Ontario’s reported cuts. For example, a business in California could sell 100 carbon allowances (each one permitting the bearer to emit one tonne of industrial carbon dioxide emissions or its equivalent) to an Ontario company. California could then record the sale of 100 carbon allowances as having lowered its emissions by 100 tonnes, because they’re being exported to Ontario. Meanwhile, Ontario could record the purchase of the same 100 credits by an Ontario company as having lowered Ontario’s emissions by 100 tonnes, because it lowered California’s emissions.
(In other words it’s a typical LIE-beral plan illustrating yet again Why we call them LIE-berals since they will tell us whatever they think we want to hear! And if they cannot think of things to please us then they will think of ways to hide their screw ups! )
7. No verification of emission cuts
Ontario businesses emitting greenhouse gases are expected to pay up to $466 million more from 2017 to 2020 to buy carbon allowances from emitters in Quebec and California, which could rise to $2.2 billion by 2030. “Our concern with these payments,” Lysyk said, “is that the government has not adequately studied whether Ontario businesses buying these allowances will actually contribute to additional emissions reductions in Quebec and California.” As a result, “these funds may be leaving the Ontario economy for no purpose other than to help the government claim it has met a target.”
(LIE-berals are terrified of losing votes to Greens so LIE-berals must adopt a green mantle even if un-earned and totally mis-represented- and cost be damned!)
8. Potential misuse of free carbon allowances
The Wynne government is giving out free carbon allowances — essentially free money — to major Ontario industrial emitters because it says it has to protect them from foreign competition in jurisdictions that don’t have carbon pricing. But it has not explained what mechanism it has, if any, to prevent industries that receive free allowances from raising their prices as if they had paid for them, resulting in undeserved, windfall profits, as occurred in Europe’s cap and trade market, the Emissions Trading Scheme.
(LIE-berals MUST undermine their own crap and trade program or else see virtually the entire Ontari-owe economy disappear-some companies will go bankrupt and others will flee to other jurisdictions and all that will be left is a mass of grossly disappointed civil service Hogs with bankrupt pension plans and a bunch of starving ordinary Cdn welfare recipients-and some pissed off Muslims who though they were getting a good deal by coming to Ontari-owe! Or maybe that is the LIE-beral plan? They will ruin Ontari-owe and then after all the white people leave in disgust, they can give it to the Muslims? Or to Cdn natives if Muslims decline to take possession of the deeply indebted Ontari-owe wreckage?)
Yes- LIE-beral are VERY FOND of telling us that some European country is running on LOTS of mouldy green energy! And its the usual LIE-beral advertising!
Germany runs on 85 percent wind power- for about 7 minutes and then the North Sea wind gust passes and they go right back to natural gas and nuclear power!
Here is another article illustrating LIE-beral greed and stupidity and why electricity costs so much. With some comments of my own in brackets):
The shocking incompetence of Liberal energy policy
First posted: Saturday, July 01, 2017 07:17 PM EDT | Updated: Saturday, July 01, 2017 07:59 PM EDT
As Ontario Premier Kathleen Wynne might say, given her propensity for wasting our money, “What’s another billion?”
This time, a billion dollars is the amount the Ontario Society of Professional Engineers (OSPE) says the Wynne government wasted last year alone dumping clean energy down the drain.
OSPE past president Paul Acchione explained the culprit is “curtailment ... an industry term that means the power was not needed in Ontario, and could not be exported, so it was dumped.
“It’s when we tell our dams to let the water spill over top, our nuclear generators to release their steam, and our wind turbines not to turn, even when it’s windy,” Acchione said.
“These numbers show that Ontario’s cleanest source of power is literally going down the drain because we’re producing too much ... it’s an unnecessary waste of beautiful, clean energy, and it’s driving up the cost of electricity.”
(Much of this mess is driven by the need to make room on the power grid for the mouldy green energy so beloved of LIE-berals! LIE-berals have agreed to buy any and all green energy produced by friends of the LIE-beral Party- at rates hundreds of percent above the cost of other forms of generation- and LIE-berals do not care that we have NO WAY to shut off the production of mouldy green even when we have way more power than we need! LIE-beral friends ARE ENTITLED and to shut off their flow of gravy for any reason would be LIE-beral/WRONG!)
This is distinct from the money Ontario loses when it sells electricity to Quebec and the U.S. at a loss because we have a huge energy surplus.
“Taken together,” Acchione said, “total exports represent nearly enough electricity to power every home in Ontario for an entire year.”
The situation is so bad — according to a 2015 report by Auditor General Bonnie Lysyk, Ontario pays twice the U.S. average for wind power and 3.5 times for solar power — that the basic theory of successful investing, buy low, sell high, has been turned on its head in Ontario.
Here, our Liberal government buys high and sells low, which we all pay for through our hydro bills.
OSPE says the root problem is the politicization of energy policy.
(The most outrageous part of LIE-beral policy is that our green energy is actually producing MORE air pollution- NOT LESS! First we have the huge plume of green house gas to produce all the concrete and steel for wind towers and support towers to connect to the main power grid; plus the array of toxic chemicals needed to make the carbon fibre wind blades; then add in the fuel for natural gas fired generators that MUST be kept FULLY fired up 24/7 and ready to take over at a moments notice because the costly green energy is so unreliable! LIE-berals have turned our electrical generation system into a VAST slush fund for LIE-beral pals- WITHOUT actually doing anything to clean the air!)
“It is imperative that we depoliticize what should be technical judgments regarding energy mix, generation, distribution, pricing and future investments in Ontario,” President Jonathan Hack said.
But even when the Liberal government gets good advice from its experts, it ignores it.
(Water powered generators are the cheapest form of generators but they are also the easiest to SHUT OFF- just a flip of the switch and water spills away- with the added bonus that water generators need the smallest work force to operate since the technology is so simple. But a nuclear power station- with highly skilled staff- takes three days to go safely from idle speed to full power and another three days to go back to idle again- no fast reaction there! And thanks to the greed and incompetence of Atomic Energy scientists, our govt has hired specialists from Britain and France to run the nuclear plants- and their corporate bosses EXPECT a return on their investment in our system! So for reasons of political expediency AND LIE-beral GREED, the cheapest and cleanest form of electrical generation-water power- is being DUMPED!)
Lysyk in 2015 — completing work started by her predecessor, Jim McCarter, in 2011 — reported that Ontario paid $9.2 billion extra for 20-year contracts with wind and solar power developers because it sweetened the deals, despite the fact its own experts said its existing procurement program was successfully doing the job.
Even worse, Ontario didn’t need wind and solar power to replace coal-fired electricity, which the Liberals actually did with nuclear power and natural gas.
The ultimate absurdity is that the Liberals continue to sign new wind and solar contracts, despite the province’s massive energy surplus, caused in part by the loss of manufacturing jobs due to skyrocketing electricity prices.
If you think the Liberals don’t know what they’re doing, other than kicking the crisis down the road by subsidizing electricity prices to the tune of $24 billion, which could eventually cost Ontarians up to $93 billion, according to Ontario Financial Accountability Officer Stephen LeClair, you’re right.
(Ontari-owe LIE-berals remain dedicated to their mouldy green energy slush fund. They have read the tea leaves and know they will not likely be in power after the June 2018 election- so they have quietly signed 4 year labour contracts with the civil service Hogs that are virtually the ONLY supporters of LIE-berals and they will hope we have short memories and can be persuaded to re-elect LIE-berals in the 2022 election!)
(If LIE-berals do retain power in the 2018 election then in 2019 we can look forward to an economic blood bath as LIE-berals loot and pillage to pay off their HUGE IOU`s to civil service Hogs! And if they return to power in 2022, then we can look forward THEN to the economic blood bath that LIE-berals want to drown us in as they seek to cling to power at any price!)
(Old news reports from several years back- the ones LIE-beral friendly news media now do not want to discuss-.told us that 97 percent of ALL civil service union Hog pensions were rapidly approaching bankrupt status. LIE-berals cannot shovel cash fast enough into the greedy pockets of Hogs with the result that the cost of LIE-beral promises grows rapidly at a pace way beyond inflation with each passing day- compounded and amortized! We could not pay when the promises were originally made and we cannot pay now that the mess has been added to with compound interest! But LIE-berals WILL continue to use our electrical generation system to milk cash from us any way they can! Without that gravy to placate Hogs and without the votes the gravy buys from special interest groups such as Muslims who hate us; LIE-berals could not be elected to collect dog crap in the parks!)