'We are losing control of the streets' Merkel's Germany descends into lawlessness

[Murphy]

Why not? Worked on da Jooz.

Actually, it didn't, or the Nazis would have reduced their numbers even more. Looking at how they handled things is a learning tool for dealing with large numbers. With the exception of the extermination camps.

WRT control, it does involve mobilizing the army. You need a large number of armed individuals who can effectively corral the large numbers of people. You need an org that has the equipment, and know how to gather up the large numbers.

There is no doubt that parts will be ugly. A percentage of the people will not want to go where they are told. There is always a criminal element that takes advantage of chaos. A firm hand will have to be used to deal with everything.

But gathering them up is only part of the problem. The politicians of the various countries would have to decide how to ship them back. There has to be a political will to take action. The problem, as I see it, is no country wants to be seen as the bad guy. There will be riots. People will die. The alternative will be just as bad, or worse.

Mobs of people running uncontrolled around the country is worse than having the army take control. There is no touchy feely way to deal with the sheer numbers.

 

[Angstrom]

Welcom to the snowflake generation.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Actually, it didn't, or the Nazis would have reduced their numbers even more. Looking at how they handled things is a learning tool for dealing with large numbers, except that I doubt Germany, Sweden or any other country wishes them to be exterminated.

Actually, it did. And I don't look to the Nazis for "learning tools."

WRT control, it does involve mobilizing the army. You need a large number of armed individuals who can effectively corral the large numbers of people. You need an org that has the equipment, and know how to gather up the large numbers.

There is no doubt that parts will be ugly. A percentage of the people will not want to go where they are told. There is always a criminal element that takes advantage of chaos. A firm hand will have to be used to deal with everything.

But gathering them up is only part of the problem. The politicians of the various countries would have to decide how to ship them back. There has to be a political will to take action. The problem, as I see it, is no country wants to be seen as the bad guy. There will be riots. People will die. The alternative will be just as bad, or worse.

Mobs of people running uncontrolled around the country is worse than having the army take control. There is no touchy feely way to deal with the sheer numbers.

You do realize, I hope, that none of this stuff is happening, right? It's all your fantasy, just like the "black men raping white women" wiener-jerking fantasy that founded the Klan.

 

[Murphy]

You can spew all the rhetoric you want. Controlling the movements of large numbers of people is difficult. It is not asking them politely to remain in an area or country. It involves a firm hand.

The Nazi movement of people around Europe is a learning tool. A good and recent one.

Were train cars effective? Could alternative methods have been employed to move more people, and move them quicker, more efficiently? Aircraft? Buses? What you and others fail to recognize is an analysis is a valid and recent event. Did you read the part where I said that today's DPs (displaced persons) would not be shipped to extermination camps? I guess not. You are not playing to an audience.

I do realize that it has not come to mobilizing the military. There is no fantasy here. It is a discussion about how to control or move large numbers of people. Your use of the words Nazi and KKK in your response is childish. I would have expected a juvenile response like that had I suggested shipping them to the Steppes and gassing everyone.

To repeat, no other national agency in these countries has the numbers and equipment to take on a task of controlling things.

 

[Remington1]

The changes in Germany are real, I have friends there who are concerned about the violence going on in the country. My friend and his wife are both dentist, with 4 kids, they are a pretty low key family, who just work hard, make a decent living and have never been very political, but they are starting to awaken to what's happening, they say that a lot of attacks, bullying of citizens (especially younger people) is going on, but is not getting reported in the press. It started small, but is progressively getting worst. The family is looking at moving to the burbs.

 

[Murphy]

I believe that it is only a matter of time for the military to be called in. The military is a tool of the federal government. So the feds have to decide on a plan of action.

I was stationed in Germany for four years and believe that the national psyche there is one of embarrassment over past wrongs. Even younger people who weren't even born, still are uncomfortable talking about their recent history. People of Merkel's age group - the governing people - don't want to be seen sending in the military because of what happened in the 1930s. That actually puts her government at a disadvantage, IMV. Her lack of timely action is only making it worse.

Something is going to give. I don't know which country is going to be first to call in the military, but one thing is for sure, printing brochures or running television ads asking for people to behave ain't gonna cut it.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

You can spew all the rhetoric you want. Controlling the movements of large numbers of people is difficult. It is not asking them politely to remain in an area or country. It involves a firm hand.

The Nazi movement of people around Europe is a learning tool. A good and recent one.

Were train cars effective? Could alternative methods have been employed to move more people, and move them quicker, more efficiently? Aircraft? Buses? What you and others fail to recognize is an analysis is a valid and recent event. Did you read the part where I said that today's DPs (displaced persons) would not be shipped to extermination camps? I guess not. You are not playing to an audience.

I do realize that it has not come to mobilizing the military. There is no fantasy here. It is a discussion about how to control or move large numbers of people. Your use of the words Nazi and KKK in your response is childish. I would have expected a juvenile response like that had I suggested shipping them to the Steppes and gassing everyone.

To repeat, no other national agency in these countries has the numbers and equipment to take on a task of controlling things.

Well, if yer gonna do "benevolent" roundups, why not study the U.S. roundups of Japanese Americans in the 40s, or Canadian roundups of the Ukrainian Canadians in the teens?

 

[Curious Cdn]

Da Jooz in the 30s in Germany? Of course they were. Just read the Deutscher Beobachter.

"The Jew is contrary to our being. ... He desecrated our people, spit on our ideals, paralyzed the strength of the nation, made our customs rotten, and polluted the morale."

Joseph Goebbels



... on one of his light-hearted days.

[Hint: Try substituting the word "Jew" with "Muslim" or"Mexican".]

Welcom to the snowflake generation.

Welcom to the illiterate Barbarian generation.

 

[Murphy]

Well, if yer gonna do "benevolent" roundups, why not study the U.S. roundups of Japanese Americans in the 40s, or Canadian roundups of the Ukrainian Canadians in the teens?

They would be reviewed as well. We learn from our past.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

They would be reviewed as well. We learn from our past.

If you learned from your past, you wouldn't be a bigot planning to round up innocent people for membership in a group you've decided to demonize.

 

[Murphy]

There is no polite way to say this: You're an idiot.

Who said anything about rounding up innocent people? Who demonized anyone? Let me slowly walk you through it.

I said it would be a good idea to call in the military to control large numbers of people. I said they have the equipment and expertise to do this. I also said that the military was a tool of the federal government and that the government had to come up with a plan. I also think that Germany should be talking with other nations and joining together to find an effective plan.

I realize that you are bored, but do you have to say idiotic stuff just to get attention?

Either you wish to sound like some of the crackpots on this forum in order to get attention, or you are bereft of the power to reason. More importantly, criticism of suggestions without proposing your own is straight out of grade 9.

We are losing control of the streets' Merkel's Germany descends into lawlessness

This is what I was addressing. How does Merkel retain control? My suggestion was to mobilize the military. What's yours? Handing out candies and pictures of rainbows? Have you ever dealt with more than four or five people, outside of a kid's birthday party?

 

[damngrumpy]

There are actually two separate situations going on here. One is Refugees
these people are fleeing the gates of hell as it were. Instead of being piss
ants about this we should recruit them to tell there stories so our young folks
don't gain illusions of grandeur .
The second problem is the ones they call migrants. They are people who are
lawless they also come to work largely in the underground economy. I have no
problem with refugees seeking shelter. I do have a problem with Illegal Migrant
Workers coming into the western world to live off the land as it were.
Solutions there are a few. One we sort out refugees from migrants and it can be done.
Two refugees are treated with respect
Three Migrants are returned without a thousand court delays make it twenty four hours.
Four anyone hiring illegal migrants working the underground economy should face a one
million dollar fine for each worker and up to five years in prison that would include those
corporate executives

 

[Curious Cdn]

these people are fleeing the gates of hell as it were.

we've been here before in our history and we chose badly, the last time around.

Canada turned away Jewish refugees | The Chronicle Herald

 

[Locutus]

geez, you seem upset again.

Just to be clear, Merkel didn't say that. The quote is as much a lie as the story.

Just to be clearer, nobody said merkel said that.

And to be clearer still, there is no quote from her at all in the article.

Nice White Crusader on the masthead, though, Mo.

it surely is. been there a long long time too. he's Canadian.

Why not just a sheet and hood?

sure thing honey.

as you were.

 

[Mowich]

Just to be clear, Merkel didn't say that. The quote is as much a lie as the story.

Nice White Crusader on the masthead, though, Mo. Why not just a sheet and hood?

I just re-read the entire article twice and I'll be darned if I can find a single quote from Merkel anywhere.

Ah, I had no idea that the figure on the masthead was a KKK symbol - thanks for enlightening me on that, Tec.

www.thestar.com/news/world/2015/09/03/germany-offers-a-rare-welcome-to-refugees.

Gotta go, Steve's puppet is about to address Congress.......this should be good.

 

[Curious Cdn]

I just re-read the entire article twice and I'll be darned if I can find a single quote from Merkel anywhere.

Ah, I had no idea that the figure on the masthead was a KKK symbol - thanks for enlightening me on that, Tec.

www.thestar.com/news/world/2015/09/03/germany-offers-a-rare-welcome-to-refugees.

Gotta go, Steve's puppet is about to address Congress.......this should be good.

I can barely bear to watch ..

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

I just re-read the entire article twice and I'll be darned if I can find a single quote from Merkel anywhere.

Ah, I had no idea that the figure on the masthead was a KKK symbol - thanks for enlightening me on that, Tec.

www.thestar.com/news/world/2015/09/03/germany-offers-a-rare-welcome-to-refugees.

Gotta go, Steve's puppet is about to address Congress.......this should be good.

It's not specifically the Klan. It's a Crusader. So, specifically, anti-Muslim. The symbol of those who want to kill every Muslim, man, woman, and child, without regard to what they say, do, or believe.

But brothers to the Klan, and the Nazis, and the 7th Cavalry. Heirs to the tradition of slaughtering every member of a group.

Pick your side.

 

[Angstrom]

Netherlands Is getting ready to elect someone who promised to ban the Quran and close mosques. Well well.
https://news.vice.com/story/the-net...immigrant-anti-islam-politician-geert-wilders

But europe has no Problems :laughing3:

Boy, are liberals ever in denial.

Netherlands is supposed to be the most liberal of countries in the world. Maybe there is a problem after all.

Maybe if we keep ignoring the elephant it will go away

 

[Bar Sinister]

Ho hum. It appears that migrants have cause an increase in crime in Germany - German migrants that is.

While some studies show a correlation between immigrant populations in Germany and crime, most social studies on the subject have shown little correlation between migrants and crime in Germany. In May 2016, Politifact deemed Donald Trump's statement that "Germany "is crime-riddled right now" because of migration to Europe" as mostly false. The fact-checker noted that Germany's crime rate, particularly the violent crime rate, is far lower than in the United States, and that data suggest that the crime rate of the average refugee is lower than that of the average German.
The first comprehensive study of the social effects of the one million refugees going to Germany found that it caused "very small increases in crime in particular with respect to drug offenses and fare-dodging." A report released by the German Federal Office of Criminal Investigation in November 2015 found that over the period January–September 2015, the crime rate of refugees was the same as that of native Germans. According to Deutsche Welle, the report "concluded that the majority of crimes committed by refugees (67 percent) consisted of theft, robbery and fraud. Sex crimes made for less than 1 percent of all crimes committed by refugees, while homicide registered the smallest fraction at 0,1 percent." According to the conservative newspaper Die Welt's description of the report, the most common crime committed by refugees was not paying fares on public transportation.[8] According to Deutsche Welle's reporting in February 2016 of a report by the German Federal Office of Criminal Investigation, the number of crimes committed by refugees did not rise in proportion to the number of refugees between 2014-2015. According to Deutsche Welle, "between 2014 and 2015, the number of crimes committed by refugees increased by 79 percent. Over the same period, however, the number of refugees in Germany increased by 440 percent."
A study in the European Economic Review found that the German government's policy of immigration of more than 3 million people of German descent to Germany after the collapse of the Soviet Union led to a significant increase in crime. The effects were strongest in regions with high unemployment, high preexisting crime levels or large shares of foreigners.
DW reported in 2006 that in Berlin, young male immigrants are three times more likely to commit violent crimes than their German peers. Whereas the Gastarbeiter in the 50s and 60s did not have an elevated crime rate, second- and third-generation of immigrants had significantly higher crime rates.

Full article here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_and_crime_in_Germany

 

[Twila]

Netherlands Is getting ready to elect someone who promised to ban the Quran and close mosques. Well well.
https://news.vice.com/story/the-net...immigrant-anti-islam-politician-geert-wilders

But europe has no Problems :laughing3:

Boy, are liberals ever in denial.

Netherlands is supposed to be the most liberal of countries in the world. Maybe there is a problem after all.

Maybe if we keep ignoring the elephant it will go away

That's cause the netherlands has a large majority that believes that religion should not have a determining role to play in politics and education. Religion is also decreasingly seen as a social binder,[2] and is generally considered a personal matter which should not be propagated in public.[5]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_the_Netherlands

Research Angstrom. Research. It'll do you good.