Children should be taught about suffering under the British Empire

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Take away his obvious bias for trade unions and I agree.

But as Bar said, all nations should teach the negative of their history, not just the yay happy shiny points. Not only is it teaching the truth, but it can show where the country has been and how its progressed since that time, and maybe help kids understand the direction the nation has to go in order to be part of the world.

It's not just the Brits that need to do this, but since a lot of the world WAS under their rule, it only makes sense that they realize just how much their egoism, elitism and in general superiority complex has twisted many places on this planet.
Well here in Canada we teach about our negative history even if it is not true .
Well at a few schools middle and elementary on Friday I noticed all the staff and many students wearing orange shirts . I asked about them and was told they are honoring residential school survivors as if every student at those schools were used and abused . I wonder where all those educated Indian lawyers got their education .
 

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Well here in Canada we teach about our negative history even if it is not true .
Well at a few schools middle and elementary on Friday I noticed all the staff and many students wearing orange shirts . I asked about them and was told they are honoring residential school survivors as if every student at those schools were used and abused . I wonder where all those educated Indian lawyers got their education .


Gee.... You sound a lot like Mike Harris. Are you sure you're in the right thread?
 

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2 Billion people (1/3 of Global population) in India and Africa alone would disagree.

India wouldn't be the economic powerhouse that it is today were it not for the British. And the Indians wouldn't have the thing they love most in the world - cricket.

As for Africa, it's obvious that vast swathes of that continent are in dire need of British rule again, such as Zimbabwe.
 

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Maybe the British Empire can force opium onto the Chinese again... oh wait a minute, that's a nuclear power now. Never mind.
 

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2 Billion people (1/3 of Global population) in India and Africa alone would disagree.
Yup but those educated east Indians are taking our jobs away because of the education system imposed on them by the British . Remember next time you are talking to the technician in India while trying to download a tricky app .
 

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Gee.... You sound a lot like Mike Harris. Are you sure you're in the right thread?
Yup , we are teaching parts of our negative history in our schools . Even if it a false narrative .

Anything against East Indians accessing world markets on an equal footing with everyone else?
Anything against sending Canadian jobs overseas ?
 

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Maybe the British Empire can force opium onto the Chinese again... oh wait a minute, that's a nuclear power now. Never mind.

The Chinese were desperate to buy Indian opium, though.

Funnily enough, that is something rarely mentioned by British Empire haters today.
 

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Yup , we are teaching parts of our negative history in our schools . Even if it a false narrative .


Anything against sending Canadian jobs overseas ?

Nope. Whoever provides the best quality service at the best price. Besides, importing jobs pushes the value of the dollar down, which in turn encourages exports. let India do what it does best and Canada do what it does best.

Anything against economic efficiency and equal opportunity for all without discimination on the basis of nationality?
 

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All that does is create a bottleneck that all the money goes through. That is the area the 'middle-men' operate in, the price of the goods goes up but nothing of real value is added to the product. The only positive outcome is for the middlemen who keep getting richer and richer because when you contribute nothing that is how much it actually costs you.

Having the employees as being the only shareholders would result in many small businesses existing rather than a few monopolies. I'm pretty sure the lowest ones would vote for them getting a decent profit-sharing cheque just before the end of the year.
 

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The Chinese were desperate to buy Indian opium, though.

Funnily enough, that is something rarely mentioned by British Empire haters today.

That's because the Britsh opium trade got them all addicted. And it was that addiciton that led to the ban. And it was that ban that led to the British invasion of China and annexation of Hong Kong as punishment for China daring to fight the opium trade. The US joined in too. But the US got some payback once the Chinese started growing their own and spreading it on the US west coast. Funny how the US started changing its mind about the opium trade once the opium hit US shores.

What.... That Brit predatory instinct made them drug pushers? Your pirate heritage is showing

With a navy to back them up!
 

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What.... That Brit predatory instinct made them drug pushers? Your pirate heritage is showing

You've obviously been brought up on the false, anti-British narrative that the British were evil drug pushers and the Chinks were poor, put-upon victims (a role they've quite well for the last 170 years or so).

But I shall repeat: The same Chinese government that was oh-so against evil British opium being imported into China were, at the same time, desperate to buy opium from India. Yet this is rarely mentioned today.
 

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All that does is create a bottleneck that all the money goes through. That is the area the 'middle-men' operate in, the price of the goods goes up but nothing of real value is added to the product. The only positive outcome is for the middlemen who keep getting richer and richer because when you contribute nothing that is how much it actually costs you.

Something much simpler.... Investors gripe about the cost of safety and labour cutting into profit - so corporate moves it offshore

You've obviously been brought up on the false, anti-British narrative that the British were evil drug pushers and the Chinks were poor, put-upon victims (a role they've quite well for the last 170 years or so).

But I shall repeat: The same Chinese government that was oh-so against evil British opium being imported into China were, at the same time, desperate to buy opium from India. Yet this is rarely mentioned today.
You're obviously having fun in your SJP game of obstinance
 

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Nope. Whoever provides the best quality service at the best price. Besides, importing jobs pushes the value of the dollar down, which in turn encourages exports. let India do what it does best and Canada do what it does best.

Anything against economic efficiency and equal opportunity for all without discimination on the basis of nationality?
Cheapest isn't always bestest .
 

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Something much simpler.... Investors gripe about the cost of safety and labour cutting into profit - so corporate moves it offshore


You're obviously having fun in your SJP game of obstinance

It obviously hurts you now you've been confronted with the historical truth rather than just the historically inaccurate rubbish so often peddled about the Opium Wars.
 

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You've obviously been brought up on the false, anti-British narrative that the British were evil drug pushers and the Chinks were poor, put-upon victims (a role they've quite well for the last 170 years or so).

But I shall repeat: The same Chinese government that was oh-so against evil opium being imported into China were, at the same time, desperate to buy opium from India.

Not official government policy. Corrupt officials and the addicted population yes. The government officially went to wa against the UK to put an end to the opium trade. But when opium is all the UK has to sell, can't let such a large market close on ya eh. And to think the Royal Navy was forcing the opium trade on China while opium was a controlled substace in the UK. Even UK journalists were scandalized by its obious immorality. My only question is why would those journalists have been so surprised. It was the UK after all.