Catholic Church up to their old tricks again

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No. The French weren't deporting the Protestants, they were killing them. The Protestants were exiling themselves for refuge, especially to Wallonia, but also other parts of Switzerland, Belgium, the Netherlands, and the UK, and some from these safe grounds to other parts of the world like North America.



The massacre of St. Bartholomew was certainly an attempt to remove the Protestantism in France but it is far from succeeding. The opposite happen. A series of events that followed the massacre led Henri IV in the late 1500s to take power and enact the Edict of Nante. Then the Protestant could prosper in peace in France until the cancellation of the Edict of Nante about 80 years later by Louis XIII. Then the Huguenots were indeed forced into exile or to convert to Catholicism. These are not the mass executions that made disappear the Huguenots in France.
 

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The massacre of St. Bartholomew was certainly an attempt to remove the Protestantism in France but it is far from succeeding. The opposite happen. A series of events that followed the massacre led Henri IV in the late 1500s to take power and enact the Edict of Nante. Then the Protestant could prosper in peace in France until the cancellation of the Edict of Nante about 80 years later by Louis XIII. Then the Huguenots were indeed forced into exile or to convert to Catholicism. These are not the mass executions that made disappear the Huguenots in France.

Outpd Huegenot ancestors were scattered to Britain, The Netherlands Switzerland and Flanders. A lot of them ended up in North America.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huguenot_Memorial_Chapel_and_Monument

Principaute de Montbeliard Memorial at Lunenburg, NS
 

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Yeah the poor ole protestants being persecuted and looking for refuge. Calvin wanted to help as best he could kind hearted soul that he was. Thank god he gave us his wonderful doctrine so we could all be happy. And let's not forget those brave Puritans who came by boat blessing our wonderful shores. Small pox infected blankets and all. Salt of the friggin earth gawd bless em. Yes thank goodness the protestants found sanctuary at our expense. Hell we're proud to have em.

It is common for an oppressed people to eventually become oppressors themselves. PTSD perhaps? Look at the Romans and then the British, the Nazis and then Israel, Catholic France and then the Protestand British Empire. Just because a group has opressed others at some point in their history, that doesn't exclude the possibility that those oppressors weren't oppressed themselves prior or elsewhere.

and the protestants were killing the Catholics. The Catholics did a better job.

Yes, the Protestants were killing Catholics until the Catholics started to win. I'm not excusing either side.
 

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It is common for an oppressed people to eventually become oppressors themselves. PTSD perhaps? Look at the Romans and then the British, the Nazis and then Israel, Catholic France and then the Protestand British Empire. Just because a group has opressed others at some point in their history, that doesn't exclude the possibility that those oppressors weren't oppressed themselves prior or elsewhere.



Yes, the Protestants were killing Catholics until the Catholics started to win. I'm not excusing either side.
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Two words. "public library". Not much more be said.

Sorry, it was badly worded. I did not mean to suggest the Protestants necessarily started the killing, but they did fight back, some of them well beyond the bounds of defensive counter-attacks.

The massacre of St. Bartholomew was certainly an attempt to remove the Protestantism in France but it is far from succeeding. The opposite happen. A series of events that followed the massacre led Henri IV in the late 1500s to take power and enact the Edict of Nante. Then the Protestant could prosper in peace in France until the cancellation of the Edict of Nante about 80 years later by Louis XIII. Then the Huguenots were indeed forced into exile or to convert to Catholicism. These are not the mass executions that made disappear the Huguenots in France.

And that is the kind of thing that kills a religion in the end. How many professed-Catholics at the time truly believed in the Catholic Faith and how many were atheists pretending to profess the Catholic Faith to save their hides? We can ask the same about Islam in Iran for example. While professed-Muslims in Canada probably do sincerely believe in Isam, a large faction of professed-Muslims in Iran are probably atheists professing Islam with their mouths to stay alive. Ironically enough, the most effective way to corrupt and so begin to poison and kill one's own religion is in fact for force people to convert to it by the sword. As time goes by, generation after generation, that religion eventually becomes a dead letter. Non-believers feeling forced to pretend to believe become a cancer within the religious community, but a deserved one that the religious community inflicts on itself.
 

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Sorry, it was badly worded. I did not mean to suggest the Protestants necessarily started the killing, but they did fight back, some of them well beyond the bounds of defensive counter-attacks.



And that is the kind of thing that kills a religion in the end. How many professed-Catholics at the time truly believed in the Catholic Faith and how many were atheists pretending to profess the Catholic Faith to save their hides? We can ask the same about Islam in Iran for example. While professed-Muslims in Canada probably do sincerely believe in Isam, a large faction of professed-Muslims in Iran are probably atheists professing Islam with their mouths to stay alive. Ironically enough, the most effective way to corrupt and so begin to poison and kill one's own religion is in fact for force people to convert to it by the sword. As time goes by, generation after generation, that religion eventually becomes a dead letter. Non-believers feeling forced to pretend to believe become a cancer within the religious community, but a deserved one that the religious community inflicts on itself.
And I suppose I'm to believe that Luthers motive for leaving the Catholic Church was the sale of indulgences. Sounded good for his benefit didn't it. As did his "dark night of the soul". Not withstanding his treatment of the Jewish people was unaffected. "All horse shyt sir". Word upon word. Line upon line. Try an open minded author you may get a more refreshing perspective like, an honest effort in the search for the truth.
 

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We are discussing the Catholic church's response to the right to die with dignity rights
Alrighty then, I'll stop trolling and get back to the topic at hand. Going to the grave is not an option and it will happen before a person is 120 years old. The Church was never in charge of giving permission to condemn suicide in the 1st place so why do they get a say in saying it is a right if done under certain guidelines that results in a profit for the Church as well as some companies they have shares in.

The relationship that a person has with God during the ages of 20 - 120 would be after a person heard the term 'God' and when 'God' paid attention to which relationship fit you best at a specified time. The 7 letters to the 7 Churches are basically 14 different relationships that a person can have with God and the ones that are nor favorable see that person enter the grave for the period called the 1,000 year reign. The locked gates of hell are opened at the great White Throne event which is the first event that takes place after the angels enter their promised 'New Heaven'.

At the moment when a person dies after conception the 'breath of life' goes back to God which is where it came from in the first place. The names of people not read out at the beginning of the 1,000 reign are read out at the Great White Throne event. The rest of life that had the breath of life in them will have their lives restored to them and they will have the same knowledge of God that Adam had in the garden. Eternal beings that ate food and believed in God due to the existence of a garden who do not know about good and evil and never will. Mankind will have the same abilities and powers that the 'sons of God' in Ge:3 and Job:1 do. This time it is done right as Adam and Eve will be the oldest one that are called that.

Job:14 is correct when it promotes that as soon as a person closes their eyes in death that they open again and the person is at the start of the 'New Earth'. If it sees time that has mountains erode away then so be it as that doesn't change about death being no longer than a blink of the eyes. For the ones sent there at the day of return the blink sees everything that goes on for the whole time they are there. Even if they repent within 3 days that is where they will stay until the GWT event.
 
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And I suppose I'm to believe that Luthers motive for leaving the Catholic Church was the sale of indulgences. Sounded good for his benefit didn't it. As did his "dark night of the soul". Not withstanding his treatment of the Jewish people was unaffected. "All horse shyt sir". Word upon word. Line upon line. Try an open minded author you may get a more refreshing perspective like, an honest effort in the search for the truth.


Are you denying that Catholics tried to force Protestants to profess the Catholic Faith? I don't deny that Luther was vehemently anti-Catholic and anti-Muslim. But we're talking about the Catholic Faith here. Whatever the Protestant Church did, the Catholic Church did the same, and often worse. Think of the Inquisition.
 

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I hope you aren't including Ireland as that was the Brits first attempt at exporting mercenaries experienced at warfare against civilian targets. Big explosions a specialty and available as an export market for the right price.

Are you denying that Catholics tried to force Protestants to profess the Catholic Faith? I don't deny that Luther was vehemently anti-Catholic and anti-Muslim. But we're talking about the Catholic Faith here. Whatever the Protestant Church did, the Catholic Church did the same, and often worse. Think of the Inquisition.
Really?? So witches never really existed?? Think how many were accidents of gossip? 80%
 

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Are you denying that Catholics tried to force Protestants to profess the Catholic Faith? I don't deny that Luther was vehemently anti-Catholic and anti-Muslim. But we're talking about the Catholic Faith here. Whatever the Protestant Church did, the Catholic Church did the same, and often worse. Think of the Inquisition.
I do not deny any of the atrocities commited By The Roman Catholic Church or her "offspring"
 

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Sort of helps a person understand how Adam and Eve fell so easily and they were the first generation to come under law, stay away from the cake at the endless food-bar. Seems like such a simple request. Then Angels messed it up and had to be put down for the count, Next was the 12 tribes and they had live Prophets to deliver real time messages. It isn't a miracle that they (RCC & Co,) messed it up, so far their teaching hasn't been as consistent as it could have been.
Deliver the law to Adam and Eve at the same time rather than leaving it up to Adam to do it perfectly. Not the best carpenter either from all reports.
 

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So, what exactly is your problem with the Church on this?

I don't think I am so angry as I was,boy did I become inflamed.
It bothers me the Catholic Church figures it is more powerful then law
And people,particularly "Christian"people " should not treat people like piranhas,or promote people to act in such a mean spirited manner
I have a long list of reasons but I become angry as I ponder these reasons
 

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I don't think I am so angry as I was,boy did I become inflamed.
It bothers me the Catholic Church figures it is more powerful then law
And people,particularly "Christian"people " should not treat people like piranhas,or promote people to act in such a mean spirited manner
I have a long list of reasons but I become angry as I ponder these reasons



What the fu ck are you talking about? The Church has said they will not perform funerals for anyone that has used assisted suicide to end their life. Not stopping anyone. Anyone that decides to avail themselves of this option can always get buried by someone else. SO what's the big deal?
 

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Alrighty then, I'll stop trolling and get back to the topic at hand. Going to the grave is not an option and it will happen before a person is 120 years old. The Church was never in charge of giving permission to condemn suicide in the 1st place so why do they get a say in saying it is a right if done under certain guidelines that results in a profit for the Church as well as some companies they have shares in.

The relationship that a person has with God during the ages of 20 - 120 would be after a person heard the term 'God' and when 'God' paid attention to which relationship fit you best at a specified time. The 7 letters to the 7 Churches are basically 14 different relationships that a person can have with God and the ones that are nor favorable see that person enter the grave for the period called the 1,000 year reign. The locked gates of hell are opened at the great White Throne event which is the first event that takes place after the angels enter their promised 'New Heaven'.

At the moment when a person dies after conception the 'breath of life' goes back to God which is where it came from in the first place. The names of people not read out at the beginning of the 1,000 reign are read out at the Great White Throne event. The rest of life that had the breath of life in them will have their lives restored to them and they will have the same knowledge of God that Adam had in the garden. Eternal beings that ate food and believed in God due to the existence of a garden who do not know about good and evil and never will. Mankind will have the same abilities and powers that the 'sons of God' in Ge:3 and Job:1 do. This time it is done right as Adam and Eve will be the oldest one that are called that.

Job:14 is correct when it promotes that as soon as a person closes their eyes in death that they open again and the person is at the start of the 'New Earth'. If it sees time that has mountains erode away then so be it as that doesn't change about death being no longer than a blink of the eyes. For the ones sent there at the day of return the blink sees everything that goes on for the whole time they are there. Even if they repent within 3 days that is where they will stay until the GWT event.
Have you ever thought about taking hallucinogenics before you write,it could make your writings more convincing
 

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Suicide is a word that should not have been chosen for defining this law,unbelievable idiots still use this term when discussing the right to die with dignity is it is all about

Is it all about the word suicide?

Reiterate idiots use this term in defying this law or ignorant people,not sure?