Trudeau visits China: 6 things to watch

10larry

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Inexpensive to get coal from poland they have enough to service a chunk of china even after they service germany. The dude rubbing his hands with glee is paul desmarais, the long lib/power corp luv in is about to pay off for him. How many corps have a head of state honcho lobbying foreign big wigs on their behalf. Power corp had a major lull in china as harper harped on human rights but now junior will soft peddle on such trivial matters so paul foresees more cha-ching in power corps future.
 

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Inexpensive to get coal from poland they have enough to service a chunk of china even after they service germany. The dude rubbing his hands with glee is paul desmarais, the long lib/power corp luv in is about to pay off for him. How many corps have a head of state honcho lobbying foreign big wigs on their behalf. Power corp had a major lull in china as harper harped on human rights but now junior will soft peddle on such trivial matters so paul foresees more cha-ching in power corps future.

That's Andre Desmarais, not Paul. Paul was his old man.
 

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F*** Trudeau and his neoliberal bull****......


World leaders need to push back against a tide of "rampant" protectionism and nationalism, Canadian premier Justin Trudeau said on Saturday (Sep 3), warning that "building walls" was not the solution.

The global economy is not working for too many people, Trudeau said, fuelling anger among voters left behind by decades of unequal growth and "taking us in the wrong direction in many places in the world".

"There's a sense the forward march of progress has stalled," he told a business forum in the Chinese city of Hangzhou which is hosting the G20 summit.

"That anxiety is exactly what is leading to the kind of anti-trade, anti-globalisation protectionism that is running rampant, whether in Brexit, or in protectionist rhetoric in election campaigns," he said.

"We have to push back against that," he said. "It's very tempting to fall into divisive, fearful rhetoric. That's one of the things we have to be strongly compelling in standing against."

Trudeau did not explicitly reference Donald Trump's populist campaign for the US presidency, but alluded to the Republican nominee's platform as he argued for the benefits of free trade.

"We know that isolationism, that building walls, that closing in on oneself, does not create opportunity, does not create growth, does not create benefits for the middle class," he said.

Trudeau's comments came after IMF chief Christine Lagarde warned this week that the world's economies faced a potentially toxic mix of low long-term growth and rising inequality, creating political temptations to populism and raised trade barriers.

She warned of a "low-growth trap" - high debt, weak demand, eroding work forces and labour skills, weakening incentives for investment and slowing productivity.

But analysts say the G20 summit is unlikely to achieve a breakthrough, as it is not taking place at a time of acute crisis which could prod governments to take action

Trudeau warns against dangerous protectionist mood - Channel NewsAsia
 

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OOps.. your right... correct church wrong pew, my fingers just tap out PAUL on the keyboard when power corp is the subject, old habits die hard. The clique within and surrounding power corp hafta be happy campers now with jt making china a priority. He said awhile back he admired china n' now we know he is serious about something.
Justin Trudeau's 'foolish' China remarks spark anger - Toronto - CBC News

I actually met Andre a few times when he was a teenager. I also went to a birthday party at Maurice Strong's house back in his Power Corp days. I can point them both out to you when the guillotines are finally raised on Dundas Square.
 

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"Uncle" Maurice groomed Justin well.

I knew Maurice when he had his first family .. the one that he left.

Btw, our "environmental champion" had an umbrella stand made out of an elephant's foot in their front hall. I've never seen a real one like that, since.

I guess, if you're rich enough, you get to pick and choose your morality.
 

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I knew Maurice when he had his first family .. the one that he left.

Btw, our "environmental champion" had an umbrella stand made out of an elephant's foot in their front hall. I've never seen a real one like that, since.

I guess, if you're rich enough, you get to pick and choose your morality.
I knew lots of people to , do you want to pat my back .
 

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More than 2 million residents of the city of Hangzhou have gone on subsidized vacation ahead of the G20 summit. Government has distributed travel coupons worth more than $1.5 billion and free admission in scenic spots across China for its residents.

The local government has also enhanced security ahead of the summit, setting up 172 checkpoints across the city. A team of 800,000 volunteers, who are mostly retired or elderly people, have been mobilized to patrol the city to ensure safety. Hotels in nearby cities have been ordered not to accommodate tourists from five Muslim-majority countries.

Read more: Residents of Hangzhou leave the city ahead of G20 summit
 

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Another meeting between a powerful dictatorship and a liberal democracy, another chance to pretend that by defending universal values, governments unavoidably hurt their countries’ own interests.

China has perfected the art of censoring speech, repressing minorities, jailing critics and flouting the rule of law at home. The consequences of its abuse extend beyond the mainland, though.

Not content to delete the online musings of 14-year olds in their parents’ Shanghai apartments, China is sending its censors abroad.

A South Korean court recently yanked a classical music performance from a theatre in Seoul. Why would a court of law in a democratic country demote itself to the position of crazed art critic? The court itself noted that the Chinese Embassy threatened South Korea with financial reprisals if the show went on. And why would the Chinese Embassy lower itself to issuing threats about a show in a foreign country? The show was about the Falun Gong, a minority group that China pathologically persecutes.

If only the stakes were no higher than art. But by persecuting yet another minority, China inflames international terrorism while supposedly fighting domestic terrorism: In Xinjiang province, where most Uighur Muslims live, China doesn’t let kids enter mosques, doesn’t let mosques broadcast the call to prayer, and doesn’t let anyone who might go to mosque travel without ID cards, wear headscarves, grow large beards, or give their children names that sound too Muslimy.

Don’t expect these interminable indignities to remain local. They humiliate and terrify a group so intolerably as to foment violent terrorism in China, and violent terrorism doesn’t tend to stay put. Well over 100 Uighurs have travelled to Syria and joined jihadist movements; many bring their wives and kids because they believe it better to live in a war zone than on the mainland. A New America study finds that China’s repression of the Uighurs in Xinjiang, which the dictatorship justifies on the basis of counter-terrorism, encourages Uighurs to become terrorists abroad.

And it’s not as if China reserves repression for minority groups. It detains and tortures at leisure, locking up critics without anything approaching due process. We might think this a tragic violation of the rights of Chinese citizens, and perhaps we could leave it there, were China not jailing citizens of other countries, too, including our own.

Foreign governments can’t even console themselves with the knowledge that the only way people will get thrown in a Chinese prison cell is if they actually travel to the Chinese mainland. China allegedly sent special agents into Hong Kong and Thailand, kidnapped some booksellers, and whisked them back for a bit of detention and forced confession. If political dissidents won’t go to China, China might come to them.

And it won’t necessarily stop coming, even where it’s formally found to be acting illegally. After China frightened much of Asia by acting as if parts of the South China Sea that don’t belong to it do, in fact, belong to it, an arbitrator ruled that it was violating the law. China continues to help itself to more territory.

It’s not as if liberal democracies should only concern themselves with matters that directly affect them or their allies. The principles of liberal democracy deserve defending on their own merits. But a government that violates a principle in one place may violate it elsewhere, which China happily demonstrates by releasing government censors and kidnappers out into the world, creating the conditions for terrorism beyond mainland China, violating the autonomy of places that sit outside of it, and flouting the law even after it is found to be in violation of it.

It’s all very distasteful to self-respecting democracies, yes, but it’s also dangerous to them.

True, it’s not clear that countries such as Canada actually have much power to influence China. One thing ought to be obvious, though: If democratic states seek closer ties with China but can’t manage to persuade, force or harangue it into respecting human rights and the rule of law, they’re not necessarily sacrificing their values for the sake of their interests – in many cases, they fail one by failing the other.

Defending rights globally doesn’t undermine our other interests | Ottawa Citizen
 

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Looks that way, jt exuded many, many words on canola and the extension gained, many, many poses for photo ops some including our first lady but very, very limited words on human rights or kevin garretts' dilema. Human rights be an honourable but profit barren sound byte whereas sound bytes on busine$$ excite elitists universally. If the american political elite can support saudi arabia with a straight, sober face jts' support for china pretty much signals his compliance with u.s. policy thus improving his odds on scoring another whitehouse dinner invite. What's of more import sharing a gastronomic delight with an admired peer or going to bat for little guys.
 

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Then there's China, with which the entire world is dying to deal as much as possible.

Mr. Trudeau has now had an entire week in China tying himself in knots, exactly as the Harper government did. But human rights, China and the Trudeaus are a curious tag team.

Somewhat awkwardly, Justin T's daddy openly admired Mao Zedong, one of the greatest mass murderers in history. Somewhat awkwardly, too, Junior himself has in the past allowed that, "There's a level of admiration I actually have for China. Their basic dictatorship is actually allowing them to turn their economy around on a dime." Yes, they're lucky hot dogs all right, those Chinese.

Trudeau Junior had witnessed the Conservatives coming to power committed to promoting human rights as a major goal, especially with China. It took no time at all for the Harper government to face the contradictions of their position, with no consistent way out.

Didn't the current PM observe then that, when dealing with China, nations have only one choice: do it on China's terms or don't deal at all. Frankly, my dear, China doesn't give a damn what any of us thinks, even Pierre Trudeau's kid. That's what Mr. Harper soon discovered and why he went humbly to China in 2014. While he may or may not have paid lip service to human rights behind the scenes, as he righteously claimed, the only thing that mattered to China was its own self-interest. If you want a bigger bite of the Chinese pie -- as everyone does -- you do it strictly on their terms.

That's the dilemma every government in the world faces, and almost every one soon comes to the same conclusion. In fact, it's gotten more obvious. Today, even more than a few years ago, the most authoritative China watchers all agree that democracy and human rights are nowhere at all on China's agenda. Indeed, under President Xi Jinping, the present leadership seems even more committed to a brutal kind of Leninist capitalism than their predecessors. So a foreign leader who wants to do business with China does exactly what Mr. Harper did and Mr. Trudeau is doing while pretending otherwise.

Nor in truth do human rights much matter on other Canadian fronts either. Occasional human-rights lover Jason Kenney enthusiastically welcomed some of the world's most pernicious arms dealers to Canada's annual weapons fair in Ottawa. John Baird embraced the brutal military government of Egypt. The Harper government cherished its close relationship with Saudi Arabia. That's where the giant arms deal came in, and the government unashamedly hyped the sale as a major success for Canada. Yet it was still sweating about how to deal with China. Why the double standard?

Are all human rights violators not created equal? Are some violations of human rights more intolerable than others?

That's why Foreign Affairs Minister Stephane Dion has unburdened himself of some truly surrealistic, Conservative-worthy rhetoric to justify not cancelling the armoured truck contract with the Saudis.

Beyond that, with little fanfare, the Liberal government has also now quietly changed regulations to make it easier than it had been to sell arms to any dictator it wants. Nor did Defence Minister Sajjan say boo publicly to the government of Ethiopia when he arrived there three days after government forces murdered dozens of peaceful protestors. But, needless to say, the Minister raised the pesky matter "in private bilateral conversations." How's that for a brave commitment to principle?

Look at what really happened in China last week. As The Globe and Mail's China correspondent understood, "Far from taking a stern tone," wrote Nathan Vanderklippe, Trudeau "has been largely complimentary towards China and its leadership." Canadians wanted human rights raised; Mr. Trudeau raised them. But observers knew these gestures wouldn't disturb the Chinese much. "Instead, they will be written off as domestic politicking."

Canadians may not yet have seen through Mr. Trudeau's theatrics. But the shrewd Chinese clearly have.

Justin Trudeau continues to dodge tough human rights questions | rabble.ca
 

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Freeland’s Trade Agenda Fails Canadian Workers, Says Union


Freeland said freer trade is “important politically” and will help stimulate the world economy.

But Mark Rowlinson, assistant to the USW national director, questioned Ottawa’s priorities and its willingness to stand up to Beijing.

“Our members are not so much concerned about whether you can get Nova Scotia lobster on the web and have it imported into China,” Rowlinson said. “We’re concerned about the fact that due to massive Chinese overcapacity and predatory trade practices the North American steel industry is in crisis.”

The union sent a letter to the Liberal government last week asking Canada to seek a solution to a world steel surplus that is driving down prices and threatening thousands of jobs in Canada.

The USW blames state-owned Chinese companies for overproduction that has created more than half the world’s steel surplus.

China’s surplus steel production is being dumped in Canada, the union says, threatening 22,000 jobs.

“That’s what the trade minister should be concerned about,” Rowlinson said.

During the Bloomberg interview, Freeland said support for trade was important in the face of growing “protectionist” sentiment in Western nations, pointing to the UK’s decision to leave the European Union as an example.

But Rowlinson said Freeland isn’t acknowledging the negative effects of trade agreements on working Canadians.

He pointed to the proposed TPP, a trade pact with 12 Pacific Rim countries that has been panned as a threat to Canadian jobs by the labour movement.

“It would be a transformative trade agreement for Canada, transformative in a bad sense,” he said. “She didn’t talk about that. Then she was talking about lobsters.”

Kelly said that aside from the trade file, “it appears to us small business has dropped way down the list of government priorities.”

He brought up the Liberal decision to cancel a promised tax break for small business and reduction in Employment Insurance premiums for businesses hiring young people.

The cancelled tax break is a particularly irritating given Ottawa’s recent commitment to provide $13 million in funding to help countries in South East Asia grow their own small and medium-sized enterprises, he said.

“It certainly does look odd that there would be efforts made to stimulate small business growth and development in other parts of the world while cancelling the Liberal commitment to reduce the small business tax rate in Canada,” Kelly said.

The funding is through the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, an international government organization aiming to foster trade and development. The largest portion of the funding, $3.9 million, will go toward “enhancing” policy and regulations in the region.

Global Affairs Canada said since 1971 about $187 million has gone from Canada to South East Asia to help such efforts.

Freeland’s Trade Agenda Fails Canadian Workers, Says Union | The Tyee