Islam has started a world war conflict

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Maybe we should expel all Frenchmen and Belgians. That's what the latest bombers were.

So, are you saying that radical Islam has migrated to Belgium and France, brainwashed Natives of those countries to commit attrocities on there own people?
 

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Maybe we should expel all Frenchmen and Belgians. That's what the latest bombers were.
They should invite ISIS to come in and clean the place up for them if that is the kind of people the countries are producing, even worse than Yanks when it comes to arrogance while traveling.

So, are you saying that radical Islam has migrated to Belgium and France, brainwashed Natives of those countries to commit attrocities on there own people?
Perhaps the abuse the immigrants got since their families arrived 100 years ago has something to do with radicals and how they seem to pop up when it helps the Governments rather than hinders them.
 

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They should invite ISIS to come in and clean the place up for them if that is the kind of people the countries are producing, even worse than Yanks when it comes to arrogance while traveling.


Perhaps the abuse the immigrants got since their families arrived 100 years ago has something to do with radicals and how they seem to pop up when it helps the Governments rather than hinders them.

What a racist bigoted thing to say MHz

if them wanting to kill us is justified, then go get your head cut off

You deserve to die, if you feel they are right in wanting to kill you.
 

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Jihadi John was British more than he was Muslim or the brand of Muslims Britain produces is the thing that needs to be fixed.
 

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So it would appear.

You got an alternative?

In other words, whom do you define as "the enemy" in this war?
Why didn't I think of that?
Jihadi John was British more than he was Muslim or the brand of Muslims Britain produces is the thing that needs to be fixed.
 

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So it would appear.

You got an alternative?

In other words, whom do you define as "the enemy" in this war?

Extremist as Anyone who follows the Quran letter by letter. Has learned it, and believes it to the extreme. Can recite it from memory.

Moderate Islamist are like Chritians who go to church once a year.

Anyone who is fanatic about the Quran.
 
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Extremist as Anyone who follows the Quran letter by letter. Has learned it, and believes it to the extreme. Can recite it from memory.

Moderate Islamist are like Chritians who go to church once a year.

Anyone who is fanatic about the Quran.
OK, next question. What's your metric? In other words, what's the borderline between a devout Muslim and radical.

Is it mosque attendance? You mentioned that.

You see where I'm going. I'll take it one step at a time for clarity, but in order for your war plan to work, first you need to define the enemy, making sure to include all the enemy, but exclude anybody else, with objective standards that you can apply before the enemy takes overt action.

Next, you need to identify the level of collateral damage you find acceptable. For example, is it acceptable to kill 400 villagers to get four of what you have defined as the enemy? Is it acceptable to exclude (or deport) and entire class, e.g. Muslim males 12-50, from Canada in order to exclude or deport the percentage of that group whom you define as the enemy?

More questions later about backlash and suchlike, but at this point we're still defining the enemy.
 

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OK, next question. What's your metric? In other words, what's the borderline between a devout Muslim and radical.

Is it mosque attendance? You mentioned that.

You see where I'm going. I'll take it one step at a time for clarity, but in order for your war plan to work, first you need to define the enemy, making sure to include all the enemy, but exclude anybody else, with objective standards that you can apply before the enemy takes overt action.

Next, you need to identify the level of collateral damage you find acceptable. For example, is it acceptable to kill 400 villagers to get four of what you have defined as the enemy? Is it acceptable to exclude (or deport) and entire class, e.g. Muslim males 12-50, from Canada in order to exclude or deport the percentage of that group whom you define as the enemy?

More questions later about backlash and suchlike, but at this point we're still defining the enemy.

I'd start by declaring Fanatic Islamic devotees not compatible with our system, due to the fact, that any other laws other then the ones pointed out in the Quran are considered blasphemous, and it says following those laws will earn you eternal damnation.

(Makes sense why people attaque Police in Muslim zones, when we put that in perspective) the Quran explicitly justifies attacking anyone who try's imposing laws that are not of the Quran.

Anyone who believes in the Quran in a fanatic way truly believes he will go to hell if he follows our laws. That's very problematic don't you think?
 
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I'd start by declaring Fanatic Islamic devotees not compatible with our system, due to the fact, that any other laws other then the ones pointed out in the Quran are considered blasphemous, and it says following those laws will earn you eternal damnation.
Yes, we've heard your declarations. I'm asking for standards.

You wanted a "rational discussion," so can we get past the declarations and into some substance?

(Makes sense why people attaque Police in Muslim zones, when we put that in perspective)

Anyone who believes in the Quran in a fanatic way truly believes he will go to hell if he follows our laws. That's very problematic don't you think?
Yep. Now, are you going to answer my questions in this "rational discussion?"
 

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OK, next question. What's your metric? In other words, what's the borderline between a devout Muslim and radical.

Is it mosque attendance? You mentioned that.

You see where I'm going. I'll take it one step at a time for clarity, but in order for your war plan to work, first you need to define the enemy, making sure to include all the enemy, but exclude anybody else, with objective standards that you can apply before the enemy takes overt action.

Next, you need to identify the level of collateral damage you find acceptable. For example, is it acceptable to kill 400 villagers to get four of what you have defined as the enemy? Is it acceptable to exclude (or deport) and entire class, e.g. Muslim males 12-50, from Canada in order to exclude or deport the percentage of that group whom you define as the enemy?

More questions later about backlash and suchlike, but at this point we're still defining the enemy.
Yup and about 100 years ago you would have been telling Sitting Bull that the whitey was really a nice person and he had nothing to worry about ,what with them streaming across the plains and all .
 

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Yes, we've heard your declarations. I'm asking for standards.

You wanted a "rational discussion," so can we get past the declarations and into some substance?


Yep. Now, are you going to answer my questions in this "rational discussion?"

The thread was about declaring that a problem exists, and that western world is under Islamic attack.

As for standards I say closing all access for Islamic immigration to our land is as far as Canada needs to go at this point.
Coupled with good Csis work, like we have seen in the last 6 month.
 

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The thread was about declaring that a problem exists, and that western world is under Islamic attack.

As for standards I say closing all access for Islamic immigration to our land is as far as Canada needs to go at this point.
Coupled with good Csis work, like we have seen in the last 6 month.
Clarification question. Would you deport all Muslims who are not citizens?
 

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Clarification question. Would you deport all Muslims who are not citizens?

Based on what I know of our situation, No. I'd own it and accept our past decisions to allow access.

Anyone who has already started the process to gain citizenship would not be forced to go.
 

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Based on what I know of our situation, No. I'd own it and accept our past decisions to allow access.
OK. Considering that many of the headline-making bombings of the past few years have been committed by citizens of the countries in which they occurred, either by birth or naturalization, how does your proposal to ban Muslims from entering address this threat?
 

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OK. Considering that many of the headline-making bombings of the past few years have been committed by citizens of the countries in which they occurred, either by birth or naturalization, how does your proposal to ban Muslims from entering address this threat?

Based on keeping population numbers manageable relative to our Csis capacity to counter and keep the peace.